The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > British Royals > Current Events Archive

Join The Royal Forums Today
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #101  
Old 06-08-2011, 03:29 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada, Canada
Posts: 1,062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
This is true.

If Jane was the "favored" child she could have either not witnessed the abuse of Sarah or would NOT have been abused herself. That could also play into Sarah's feeling of low self worth.
Just a quick post because I don't have time to look up the details, but didn't Jane divorce and have at least one more failed relationship after that? From what I remember reading about her, she hasn't been too successful in her relationships, either. She may not believe she was "abused", as Sarah seems to, but it doesn't mean she had a healthy upbringing, either. She married at 17 or 18 to an Australian, if I remember, and I've seen the suggestion that she married him to "escape" her home life.
__________________

  #102  
Old 06-08-2011, 03:43 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Galway, Ireland
Posts: 342
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zonk View Post
This is true.

If Jane was the "favored" child she could have either not witnessed the abuse of Sarah or would NOT have been abused herself. That could also play into Sarah's feeling of low self worth.
Your appear to be right Zonk. Jane was speaking in Australia today and said about Sarah "she's not lying, that was her experience". However, she went to say her own experiences of her mother were good, that she believed she loved them both and did the best she could.
She visited Sarah on set twice as she was filming the show, and admitted she found it hard. She said the few espisodes were very tough but by the sixth one Sarah is in a better place.
__________________

  #103  
Old 06-08-2011, 03:49 PM
Nobility
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Galway, Ireland
Posts: 342
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diarist;
on another thread I have just noted that Sarah was photographed last week out at Mosimann's, one of the most expensive restaurant/dining clubs in the world. A TinB would have presumably vetoed such an expedition.
Diarist
According to Richard Kay (DM) she was dining with Andrew so I'm guessing he might have picked up the bill, but of course your right why does she put herself in the firing line.
  #104  
Old 06-08-2011, 03:53 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 6,460
The problem is that Sarah has always, always had very expensive tastes.

Even when she is crying broke, she stays in the best hotels, eats at the best restaurants, and wears couture.

I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of she and Andrew's private convo's.

BTW...the inability to regulate oneself financially and continuing to overspend and stay in debt can be a classic sympton of someone who has survived child abuse.

They are trying to get fulfillment out of spending on "things" to fill the emptiness inside...and it's also a way to continue to self-sabotage.

If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?
  #105  
Old 06-08-2011, 04:31 PM
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: colchester, United Kingdom
Posts: 194
Isn't hindsight that place where we all have 20/20vision, Moonmaiden23?
  #106  
Old 06-08-2011, 04:43 PM
Russophile's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Portland, United States
Posts: 4,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmay286 View Post
Just a quick post because I don't have time to look up the details, but didn't Jane divorce and have at least one more failed relationship after that? From what I remember reading about her, she hasn't been too successful in her relationships, either. She may not believe she was "abused", as Sarah seems to, but it doesn't mean she had a healthy upbringing, either. She married at 17 or 18 to an Australian, if I remember, and I've seen the suggestion that she married him to "escape" her home life.
From what I remember, Jane was divorced from Makim what's his name and he kept the children. Seems living on an outpost in Austrailia with minimal creature comforts got to her.
__________________
"Not MGM, not the press, not anyone can tell me what to do."--Ava Gardner
  #107  
Old 06-08-2011, 04:47 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada, Canada
Posts: 1,062
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 View Post
If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?
Koo Stark has also had huge financial problems.
  #108  
Old 06-08-2011, 05:06 PM
CrownPrincess5's Avatar
Heir Presumptive
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Beverly Hills, California, United States
Posts: 2,555
Quote:
Originally Posted by iceflower
_________________

Sarah, Duchess of York, leaving her hotel New York City on June 6, 2011.

** Pic ** gallery **
One word: Makeup!
__________________
I don't dream at night, I dream all day. I dream for a living.
-Steven Spielberg
  #109  
Old 06-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 6,460
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmay286 View Post
Koo Stark has also had huge financial problems.
Ohh...I didn't know...I thought she came from a well off family since her dad was a movie producer...then I thought she married a stamp heir, Tim Jeffries?



Russophile, I think Jane Makim started to get restless-and starstruck-after her sister married into the BRF. You are right, I think that living in the Outback no longer suited her tastes or what she felt was her due as sister to the Duchess of York.

I also remember reading somewhere that poor Alex Makim went to Sarah, desperate for advice on saving his marriage, and she blew him off with "get a separation".

If true, that story is an example of karma at it's best,imo.

Yes indeed Tsaritsa...you are exactly right about hindsight!
  #110  
Old 06-08-2011, 05:16 PM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Durham, United States
Posts: 1,300
[QUOTE=Moonmaiden23;1264140]The problem is that Sarah has always, always had very expensive tastes.

Even when she is crying broke, she stays in the best hotels, eats at the best restaurants, and wears couture.

I would love to be a fly on the wall and one of she and Andrew's private convo's.

BTW...the inability to handle oneself financially and continuing to overspend and stay in debt can be a classic sympton of someone who has survived child abuse.

They are trying to get fulfillment out of spending on "things" to fill the emptiness inside...and it's also a way to continue to self-sabotage.

If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?[/QUOTE]

True, however Charles could hardly have been considered a "balanced" individual. There are just too many stories out there pointing out his limitations. IMO, in the case of Charles and Diana it was the blind leading the blind. I don't think either one of them were strong enough to be supportive of the other. I do think he is more balanced now, but I also think that a good deal of that is due to Camilla .... giving "the devil his/her just dues".
  #111  
Old 06-08-2011, 06:47 PM
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Philadelphia, United States
Posts: 3,108
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 View Post

Russophile, I think Jane Makim started to get restless-and starstruck-after her sister married into the BRF. You are right, I think that living in the Outback no longer suited her tastes or what she felt was her due as sister to the Duchess of York.

I also remember reading somewhere that poor Alex Makim went to Sarah, desperate for advice on saving his marriage, and she blew him off with "get a separation".

I remember reading the same thing; I got the impression that Jane was envious of her sister's new lifestyle and was hoping to share a few of the perks.

(I have to admit though, I don't think much of any woman who'd abandon her children, whether it's Susan Barantes or Jane Makim).
  #112  
Old 06-08-2011, 06:48 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 6,460
Princess of Durham, it's difficult for me to admit(about Camilla giving the rudderless Charles some direction and being good for him) because I am not a huge fan of hers but I agree.

Give her credit.

And Mirabel, I concurr 100% about women who abandon their children...even though I feel sympathy for the plight of any woman stuck in a miserable marriage.

I don't understand abandoning one's children unless the situation was dire to the point of life threatening.

Jane Makim sounds like she shot herself in the foot big time, all for nothing.
  #113  
Old 06-08-2011, 07:25 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Berkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23 View Post
Ohh...I didn't know...I thought she [Koo Stark] came from a well off family since her dad was a movie producer...then I thought she married a stamp heir, Tim Jeffries?
Please can I provide some background information on Koo Stark? Yes, rmay is quite right, Koo Stark is currently a bankrupt, having run up enormous bills including luxuries [including thousands of pounds owed to a Knightsbridge luxury 5* hotel that she couldn't pay] whereupon her creditors applied for a bankruptcy order.

The story of Koo is actually quite interesting. She is indeed the daughter of a wealthy film producer. The tabloids actually say that the reason that the Royals deemed Koo an unsuitable bride for Andrew was because of her appearance in the soft-porn movie Emily. I do know though from what I was told at work many years agao was that whilst the soft porn fim did not help, the real problem for Koo [and you have to place this in its context - more than 25 years ago] was Koo's previous lovers. She was engaged both to Robert Winsor [ a famous businessman] and when they parted, she received a settlement comprising money and a car. Koo's other 'significant other' to whom she had also been engaged was a Turkish Buinsessman.

I was told that BP's concern with Koo's previous lovers was that they 'might talk'. I would ask all forum members to place this in the context of the times - the thought of indiscreet talk by ex live-in lovers was all too much for the Palace. [Don't forget that the' impeccably-pedigreed' Davina Sheffield, a girlfriend of the Prince of Wales lost her 'chance' when a previous lover spoke about their time together...] Whilst Sarah of course had had two signifincant lovers, the well-bred Kim Smith-Bingham and the multi-millionaire Paddy McNally, BP concluded [correctly as it has turned out] that neither gentleman was likely to talk to the papers [too well-bred and too wealthy to need the tabloid pound respectively]

After Koo split from Andrew she did indeed marry Tim Jefferies. Whilst it is correct to say that he was a relative of the Green Shield Trading Stamp founder, the broadsheet papers made the point that very little of the wealth had actually passed to Tim. Some had, but it was not the mega-million figures mentioned by the tabloids. Whether Koo Stark married 'on the rebound' or whether there were other reasons [after all, who really knows what goes on in another's marriage....] the couple soon parted. Koo received a settlement, but as there were no Jefferies mega-millions, presumably we are not talking about a HUGE payout.

What happened next was very interesting. Koo claimed that her relationship with Andrew had made her 'unemployable' as an actress. I don't know why - this is, to my mind, one of those statements that people make that are hard to verify one way or the other. Her failure to get jobs as an actress could have been related to the (say) quality of the acting.... and I presume that the soft-porn film Emily required Koo to display her ''charms'' rather than her actual acting ability.

Meanwhile, Sarah had married Andrew, and the British Public, at first so supportive of Sarah [ because they were initially jaded with the apparent vanity of the Princess of Wales and admired Sarah, the jolly, 'girl next door' and the 'breath of fresh air'] then started to fall rapidly out of love with her. The reports of over-spending were beginning to surface ['greed'] and her 'payments for interviews and the Hello photo-shoot' all went down badly in a recession hit Britain. They did not take to Sarah's complaints about Andrew's naval absences [the 'typical lot' of a naval spouse, and obvious to anyone who marries a sailor] nor did they like her complaints over having to perform Royal Engagements. Public sympathy switched to Koo, who was felt to be behaving very well and discreetly, although Ross Benson [ a war journalist who turned into a gossip writer, but was felt to be a reliable source because he was a school chum of the Prince of Wales] later indicated that Koo's discretion reflected a confidentially agreement she had signed following receipt of a 'settlemen't from Buckingham Palace.

Meanwhile, several of the tabloids, commenting on the disintegrating York Marriage, began to hint that Koo had hooked up again with Andrew. Koo was furious and started to sue for defamation etc. Juries - perhaps because of their sympathy for Koo over 'losing Prince Andrew' to the by-then 'Duchess of Pork' as the tabloids had taken to calling poor Sarah by then - began to find in Koo's favour, and Koo was awarded several huge damages payments.

At that point, Koo really started to 'hit the high life'. She holidayed several times a year in exotic places, she bought a race horse [called 'Slow Exposure'] ...it was all 'spend, spend, spend]. Rather strangely, [given her legal actions] Koo also began to sell stories and photoshoots to the tabloids and Hello. Even more strangely, the articles all related to Prince Andrew and her life with him, although they always stopped short of actually saying anything salacious, although they used to hint very strongly about 'our full relationship' etc. [whatever 'full relationship' might mean!!!:) ]

All this led people to believe that perhaps Andrew had had a lucky 'escape'. And then something very extraordinary happened- for the times. A Royal Servant at BP sold his story to the Sun. This for the times seemed very very odd - it was before the era of 'tabloid revelations by Royal Staff -[ Burrell and Diana's former private secretary being the two most well known books by staff who 'told all']. According to the servant, Koo, when Prince Andrew's girlfriend, had shown a very keen 'eye to business', including making raids on the Queen's cupboards. A fascinated public read tales of Koo grabbing Bendicks Chocolates [ a royal favourite] from the Royal chocolate stash etc etc. Koo started to emerge as greedy and grasping... Oddly enough the Queen then took legal action to stop the 'revelations' proceeding beyond Day 3, but equally oddly, her action was based on breach of the confidentiality agreement signed by the servant, not because of any untruths...

Koo continued to jetset and then became pregant. Teasingly, she circulated headless pictures of her lover to the tabloids, offering to identify him if the was right.... [all this from someone who at one stage said the tabloids had invaded her privacy].

Disaster then struck, with Koo breaking up with her lover, who proved to be an American when his 'hed' was restored - see above reference to the photo! Koo's daughter by him was then born, but Koo tried to sue him for child support and according to her, lost all her money. She then found herself with breast cancer, for which I feel very sorry for her. However, finding herself in severe financial difficulties, it transpired that she had also lost her house [which led some people to believe that perhaps her money problems were not just due to her custody battle but more longstanding due to her years of holidaying and overspending with no source of income but rapidly diminishing financial settlements and kiss and tell stories] and then moved into the 5* Hotel, claiming somewhat peculiarly that 'because she had no money, the hotel was her only option, because a bed and breakfast place 'would have demanded money up front'

Koo was made bankrupt quite recently and is now supported by the British Taxpayer out of welfare payments. None of the fortune she made from her legal suits remains...



Sorry to go on at length, but there are certain interesting parellels with Sarah' story...

Alex
  #114  
Old 06-08-2011, 07:47 PM
HRH Princess Sonya's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, United States
Posts: 134
This whole bad childhood talk reminds me of what Roseanne Barr said about her father over ten years ago. She publically said on Oprah if I am not mistaken that her father abused her. Then she came back and said it did not happen.
  #115  
Old 06-08-2011, 07:51 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Berkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 650
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirabel View Post
I remember reading the same thing; I got the impression that Jane was envious of her sister's new lifestyle and was hoping to share a few of the perks.

(I have to admit though, I don't think much of any woman who'd abandon her children, whether it's Susan Barantes or Jane Makim).
Spot on Mirabel. The problem with Jane started during Sarah and Andrew's visit to Australia. Again, as always, I invite fellow forum posters to put things in context. Jane fell in love with Alex Makim when he came to England to work as a polo groom on Major Ferguson's farm. She was 17 or 18. I remember seeing this all happen in England. Alex was a young, polo-playing Australian farmer, and so he was in one sense, a 'cut above an ordinary groom' as he had some money behind him. It's a bit like how quite uppercrust girls go and work as 'Chalet maids' in holiday chalets in the Alps during the ski-ing season. These girls are not really 'domestic servants' any more than Alex Makim was a groom.

I am not sure whether all forum members know a lot about Polo, but it really is a sport where men appear to advantage. They wear skin-tight white jeans, tight leather boots and knee-pads and rush about on their ponies playing a fast and dangerous game. When the matches stop, it really is a champagne-fest at the numerous parties that follow. Many of these players are professionals, made very wealthy by money from the so-called 'Patrons', the mega-rich team owners for whom they play. It is I think fair to say that many English girls lose their hearts to polo players, at least temporarily.

Jane was quite captivated by Alex Makim, who was her first 'proper' boyfriend. The champagne glitzy lifestyle also impessed the young 17 year old girl. Major Ferguson reputedly wanted Jane to marry Prince Charles [this was pre-Diana] but Charles was not interested [presumably he had his eye on Andrew Parker-Bowles' wife, one Camilla......not that Major Ron knew of course]. Once she was 18, Major Ron sanctioned the marriage of Jane, with Sarah as bridesmaid. At that stage there was never any suggestion of Jane fleeing an unhappy home - she was just in love. Period.

Off went Jane with her new husband to the Australian farm. The polo-season was over, the matches and the parties were over, and there was Jane, stuck 2 hours from her nearest neighbours and MILES from the nearest town. Communications were poorer than they are now, the farmwork was backbreaking with everyone [including Jane] having to 'muck in'....the accommodation was basic [outside 'dunny' complete with resident snakes that so terrified Sarah on a visit she made pre-Andrew]. To start with, Jane was in love and so she didn't mind....

But then, disaster [for Jane's marriage] struck. A few years had elapsed, during which time Sarah had married Andrew and the Royal couple went to Australia for an Official Visit. Whilst staying at Government House, the Governor threw a party for the best connected-Australians, including prominent socialites from Canberra and Sydney. Jane, stuck on her farm, received an invitation both to the party and to stay at Government House. I was told by a polo-playing friend that Jane was amazed at the luxury surrounding her younger sister.... her clothes, her jewellery, her lifestyle, the servants waiting hand and foot on Sarah.... now, please re-read the paragraph I wrote about the isolated farm, the hard, hard work, the snakes in the dunny....... In short, as I was told, Jane's marriage was never the same again...

Jane and Alex divorced. Jane then married an Australian of German [from memory] descent, and moved to the City. Perhaps she had married on the rebound, because that marriage collapsed too.

I am not sure whether it is possible to say that the effect of the parents' divorce negatively impacted on Jane's ability to have a sustaining marriage, as this is a question for the pscychiartrists, but from my own understanding, it was actually the lack of luxury and the marriage on the rebound before she really knew her second husband that really 'did' for Jane's respective marriages.

Alex
  #116  
Old 06-08-2011, 08:03 PM
Moonmaiden23's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 6,460
Great info as usual Diarist...you are really a MOTHERLODE of all kinds of fascinating inside stuff..thank you!

And yes...polo is indeed a very sexy sport to watch. I read somewhere that many romances and flings are born on the polo field and I completely understand why.

And yes I vaguely remember reading about Koo and Andrew trolling around the Queen's apartments in one of the Royal residences during HM's absence and helping themselves to the Queen's chocolates and ...I THINK...even jumping up and down on her bed??!

I was laughing my head off. Imagine how THAT went down when it became public!

Koo has lived an "interesting" life..I am sad to hear about her bout with cancer, and that she has fallen on hard times.
  #117  
Old 06-08-2011, 08:35 PM
HRH Princess Sonya's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, United States
Posts: 134
I came across this article on line while reading something else. It's not a good look. It references the article in the telegraph. I hope the link works.

Cele|bitchy Blog Archive Sarah Ferguson is a pathological liar, blames her crazy on her parents
  #118  
Old 06-08-2011, 10:38 PM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Berkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 650
I don't usual go along with a lot of stuff on the web, but it now seems to be suggested that Sarah is saying that she did NOT go to Thailand for the wedding after all..

Please what is people's take on this statement? If Sarah has now changed her story, it does seem to impact on Sarah's diminishing credibility if she is now claiming that she did not watch the wedding in Thailand...........I have seen NONE of the Oprah interviews / tv interviews etc but I understood that she did tell Oprah that that was the case.........

Help please!

Thanks, Alex
  #119  
Old 06-08-2011, 11:39 PM
HRH Princess Sonya's Avatar
Aristocracy
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Fort Worth, United States
Posts: 134
Quote:
Originally Posted by Diarist View Post
I don't usual go along with a lot of stuff on the web, but it now seems to be suggested that Sarah is saying that she did NOT go to Thailand for the wedding after all..

Please what is people's take on this statement? If Sarah has now changed her story, it does seem to impact on Sarah's diminishing credibility if she is now claiming that she did not watch the wedding in Thailand...........I have seen NONE of the Oprah interviews / tv interviews etc but I understood that she did tell Oprah that that was the case.........

Help please!

Thanks, Alex
I have to wonder if Oprah is having second thoughts about greenlighting her docudrama.
  #120  
Old 06-09-2011, 01:27 AM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Omaha, United States
Posts: 1,690
I read that Sarah was in Thailand during the wedding to finish her OWN series and with her was Jane. Now, late winter, when it was brought up as to whether Sarah would be invited, Sarah's spokeswoman stated that Sarah didn't expect to be invited and would be out of the country at the time of the wedding anyway as she had business. Then, after the wedding she speaks about her flying to Thailand alone and either watching the wedding or having a friend call/text her about it and being devastated at not being invited. Now it emerges she was in Thailand wrapping up her series not only with her sister, but with the crew of Oprah's network. So Sarah wasn't all alone because she wanted to avoid the wedding she wasn't invited to and deal with her disappointment.
This is what happens with persons who feel the need to lie all the time, they have to keep inventing continual explanations/scenarios and many times forget what they told to whom in the long run.
I didn't watch the View, but apparently Whoopi Goldberg wasn't letting Sarah get away with her story mixups and excuses. This is what I've read on another forum so I don't know if this is true at all.
__________________

Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 15: October 2009-December 2010 Zonk Current Events Archive 618 01-01-2011 10:32 AM
Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 7: December 2006-February 2007 Avalon Current Events Archive 191 02-02-2007 05:19 AM
Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 6: September-December 2006 Avalon Current Events Archive 170 12-24-2006 01:07 PM




Popular Tags
ascot 2016 best gown best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit best outfit september 2016 catherine middleton style coup d'etat crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess mette-marit current events diana duchess of cambridge e-mail fashion poll grand duke jean greece kate middleton king abdullah ii king felipe king felipe vi king willem-alexander lists member introduction monarchy new zealand nobel gala norway november 2016 october 2016 opening of parliament picture of the week prince bernhard prince charles princess madeleine princess marie princess mary princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen letizia style queen mathilde queen mathildes outfits queen mathildes style queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania royal fashion september 2016 state visit state visit to denmark stewart succession sweden the duchess of cambridge the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats visit to canada


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:30 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2016
Jelsoft Enterprises