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Old 07-07-2011, 12:29 PM
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Oprah wouldn't have extended herself without there being friends on Sarah's side. She's okay.
Gotta disagree on that. Oprah saw a train wreck with an awesome (read: royal) connection and she jumped on it. Love or hate her, Oprah is a business woman first, I doubt she sees Sarah as anything but a current business partner.

As for Eugenie's hand. That second pic looks like she's trying to cover her face. considering that it's night that flash can't feel nice. The first I'm not sure about. I went to her Zimbio and there are indeed a ton of pics like that. The ones that actually show her mouth don't show a zit or a cold sore, which you could understand her attempting to cover. Weird.
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Old 07-07-2011, 01:51 PM
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Is it known that Sarah is in fact still living at Royal Lodge (I think that's its name) after the reality show started?

As to her friends, there's that one "friend" for whom she was trying to secure the money (she says). In the second episode of the reality show, Dr. Phil appears to believe the friend exists and while we've not heard Sarah refer to the friend's gender, Dr. Phil refers to the friend as female. I think he thinks it's really herself and that she's "in denial" (lying) about her real motivations for the May scandal.

Reviews of her book are trickling in at Amazon (there are 3). It certainly gives one pause about the book to read the reviews. Two people report themselves unable to finish the book, one person says the free sample on Kindle "sucked her in" but the rest of the book was awful. Well, that reviewer didn't read the whole book - only a third of it.
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:07 PM
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Sarah has a new books coming out, a romance called Hartmoor: (info from amazon.com)
This is a classic historical romance from Sarah, Duchess of York.It is Spring 1782, and Lady Margaret Sarah Montagu, the only child of the 9th Earl of Hartmoor, is making her social debut at Hartmoor House in Grosvenor Square. While Lady Margaret cannot inherit her father's title, she is of interest to most of the eligible peers of the realm, for she is heiress to a huge Irish estate, Wingfield Park. Moreover, the Earl of Hartmoor is immensely influential: he is master of Hartmoor Castle in Lancashire, owner of a stud at Newmarket, a country estate in Surrey, and is a key player in the House of Lords as well as being an advisor to King George III. But the Earl has never recovered from the unexpected death of his Countess, Juliana, some six years previously, and shows no inclination to marry. If his bloated, drunken, younger brother survives him, then he will become the 10th Earl. There is also his sister, Lady Geraldine Montagu, a vicious, angry spinster who controls the Earl's household, and is, some say, unnaturally close to her younger brother.Lady Margaret, a child born of love, is endowed with great faith and courage, and infused with tremendous spirit. From the moment of her appearance, it is clear, from the hush that falls upon the ballroom, that she is not only an independent soul, but a great beauty; a woman who will want to control her own life, loves and destiny. "

Strange that they write that it "is" due to come out in June 2010 but is not yet available... Does one knows more?
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:09 PM
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Kataryn, I wonder if that's the book Sarah was contracted to write but then didn't write (according to her reality show, episode two).
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Old 07-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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Kataryn, I wonder if that's the book Sarah was contracted to write but then didn't write (according to her reality show, episode two).
Sorry, I was wrong, it wasn't on amazon.com but on amazon.de (the english summary led to this mistake). Amazon.com doesn't list it, so it could be. But I know that books are written well before their publishing date - as this was June 2010, it can't have been affected by the Cash for access-scandal, as at that time the book should have been in print already. ????
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:01 PM
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Yes, Hartmoor was first due for release in late 2008.
It's release has been put back twice. The first delay was because Sarah had trouble clearing her diary to spend a few weeks in Wicklow, Ireland doing research for it (it's loosly based on her anchestry).
It was then due out late 2009 but the publishers delayed it because it clashed with one of her children's book coming out in softback (with different publishers).
I think we all know what happened last year. She has mentioned it in a recent interview so there seems to be some movement on it again.
Easons is the biggest book store in Ireland, and recently you could pre book it on their website but it says they are awaiting an image for its cover.

On another note the News of the World is closing down after Sunday's edition. I wonder is Sarah sheding a few tears?
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Old 07-07-2011, 03:54 PM
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Lady Margaret, a child born of love, is endowed with great faith and courage, and infused with tremendous spirit. From the moment of her appearance, it is clear, from the hush that falls upon the ballroom, that she is not only an independent soul, but a great beauty; a woman who will want to control her own life, loves and destiny. "
AM I the only one who sees that book and thinks it might have been Sarah (in better days) describing herself?

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On another note the News of the World is closing down after Sunday's edition. I wonder is Sarah sheding a few tears?
She's probably thinking, "Damn, had I only wait 14 more months."
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Old 07-07-2011, 04:04 PM
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As to her friends, there's that one "friend" for whom she was trying to secure the money (she says). In the second episode of the reality show, Dr. Phil appears to believe the friend exists and while we've not heard Sarah refer to the friend's gender, Dr. Phil refers to the friend as female. I think he thinks it's really herself and that she's "in denial" (lying) about her real motivations for the May scandal.
Actually, what happens is Dr Phil refers to the friend initially as a 'he' - he says something like - 'so you go down to your car afterwards and call your friend and tell him the news and he is happy so you are happy that you've gotten the money for your friend' - it was then I flashed on what someone had said here, suggesting that perhaps this was something she was doing for Andrew which would have been one reason why she would have been so fuzzy on whether this was not okay - she seems to genuinely be confused about what was happening - and because this is not going to court (no 'crime') she can never tell her side and be cleared of 'wrongdoing' in a court - its all gossip. The smear stands.

Its seconds later - after a cut-jump (I wonder if there was conversation with Dr Phil off camera because after the cut-jump Sarah looks more relieved) - Dr Phil then refers to 'the friend' as a 'she'. Before the jump-cut, when Dr Phil says 'he' Sarah is definitely distressed.

Now, I am analyzing a lot here - and we all know how deceptive video can be (understatement!) and pictures in general can be. Lord knows! Who knows! My point is when someone is being 'run' by the media there is very little one can do - even a rational self-defense can be turned. There's no crime here, its all innuendo - and she's being impacted but she has no recourse. She has no way of penalizing those who are doing it. She can't make them stop - and what they are doing has had and is having an impact on the quality of her life.


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Gotta disagree on that. Oprah saw a train wreck with an awesome (read: royal) connection and she jumped on it. Love or hate her, Oprah is a business woman first, I doubt she sees Sarah as anything but a current business partner.
You are cynic when it comes to Oprah so that will impact how you see it. I see Oprah differently. Everything she touches turns to gold - she has the midas touch for sure - but why she has it is rooted in a philosophy of integrity IMO - and enormous comapassion and kindness. In fact Oprah may have done what she did for Sarah out of kindness, not with an eye to profit - but we see what we are prepared to see and if Oprah (and Sarah) profit it will confirm your view, so!
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:33 PM
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AM I the only one who sees that book and thinks it might have been Sarah (in better days) describing herself?
Especially as she named her company Hartmoor... I'm sorry but I have read numerous historicals so I think I have a bit of experience and to me that story sound boring... I don't like heroines who have it all: beauty, lineage, money, charisma.... and are said to be intelligent to boot. In most cases they turn out to be TSTL (Too stupid to live) and are either exasperating or simply tedious.But that's just my idea after reading that blurb summary...
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:37 PM
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I see Oprah differently. Everything she touches turns to gold - she has the midas touch for sure - but why she has it is rooted in a philosophy of integrity IMO - and enormous comapassion and kindness. In fact Oprah may have done what she did for Sarah out of kindness, not with an eye to profit - but we see what we are prepared to see and if Oprah (and Sarah) profit it will confirm your view, so!
You're honestly trying to imply that there's a chance that Oprah, who just launched a television network, gave Sarah, a six episode documentary on her network out of the kindness of her heart with a single thought for profit? Is kindness the reason Oprah ordered more shooting because she didn't think the show was hard hitting enough? Is Oprah giving all the advertising revenue to Sarah or to charity?

She could've paid for Sarah's therapy for a fraction of the cost of the show so why put her on TV if it wasn't to make money off of a former member of the British Royal Family? The same one that just had a massive wedding a couple months back?

I'm a realist when it comes to Oprah, not a cynic. I don't drink the woman's Kool-Aid nor do I underestimate her abilities as a business woman. She got to where she is by making the right decision on what to present on television the vast majority of the time and it's paid off well.
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:09 PM
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You're honestly trying to imply that there's a chance that Oprah, who just launched a television network, gave Sarah, a six episode documentary on her network out of the kindness of her heart with a single thought for profit?
No, that's not what I was saying.

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Is kindness the reason Oprah ordered more shooting because she didn't think the show was hard hitting enough? Is Oprah giving all the advertising revenue to Sarah or to charity?
Sarah or charity is irrelevant. I know 'charity' is a 'religion' for many and absolves all sorts of PR-chasing as 'okay' - if its for 'charity'.

Remember, Oprah started her career in newscasting. She understands what is needed for a good story - as did Walter Cronkite, as does Anderson Cooper, as does anyone in the business. Its also a job - you've got to make money to keep going. Ordering more footage is what producers do, what can I say that's not understood. Its elementary - not alarming.

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She could've paid for Sarah's therapy for a fraction of the cost of the show so why put her on TV if it wasn't to make money off of a former member of the British Royal Family? The same one that just had a massive wedding a couple months back?
You're convinced its all about money - making money 'off' the RF, etc. So be it. Its her life, though - Sarah's life - that she is talking about and she has a right to it. She didn't sign away her life when she married into the RF - as another princess contemporary with Sarah was always saying - and ironically everyone supported that woman's assertions to 'tell her side' however seamy and shameful. I am not aware that Sarah has ever 'spilled the beans' about the RF, ever disparaged her ex-husband or any of her in-laws or spoken in any way except respectfully of the RF.

This is about work. If you'd like to work in the media - if you have an idea for a show - approach Oprah - easy enough to do, she makes it easy. If its good - if it meets her parameters for her network, she'll run with it. But I guarantee you - as the producer she will have oversight. Not unusual.

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I'm a realist when it comes to Oprah, not a cynic. I don't drink the woman's Kool-Aid nor do I underestimate her abilities as a business woman. She got to where she is by making the right decision on what to present on television the vast majority of the time and it's paid off well.
Oh dear - her 'Kool-Aid'? She got to where she is by making tons of mistakes. She got to where she is by facing down the hate in the tabloids. She got to where she is by refusing to be defined by the haters who said a woman could not - and especially a black woman - could not. Oprah is a role model. Oprah's achievements are stunning. Oprah has a lot to share with Sarah. - and I could see Oprah wanting Sarah to succeed. Oprah knows what it is like to be slammed down and slammed down hard. Oprah knows what it is to fail - to get it wrong, to make the same mistakes over and over again. Interesting 'Kool-Aid'.

BTW, I don't watch her - or didn't - except for a few times over the years. I am acutely aware of her in the business, of course, and of her success - in my case particularly around the 'Group Reads' she has done. I am acutely aware of her charity work - both publicized and not. She may certainly be business savvy, but she is as successful as she is because she has integrity. Not that she is not flawed - I'm sure she is - she'd be the first to tell us - as she has!
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:14 PM
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You're honestly trying to imply that there's a chance that Oprah, who just launched a television network, gave Sarah, a six episode documentary on her network out of the kindness of her heart with a single thought for profit?
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No, that's not what I was saying.
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I see Oprah differently. Everything she touches turns to gold - she has the midas touch for sure - but why she has it is rooted in a philosophy of integrity IMO - and enormous comapassion and kindness. In fact Oprah may have done what she did for Sarah out of kindness, not with an eye to profit - but we see what we are prepared to see and if Oprah (and Sarah) profit it will confirm your view, so!
It's exactly what you said.

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Especially as she named her company Hartmoor... I'm sorry but I have read numerous historicals so I think I have a bit of experience and to me that story sound boring... I don't like heroines who have it all: beauty, lineage, money, charisma.... and are said to be intelligent to boot. In most cases they turn out to be TSTL (Too stupid to live) and are either exasperating or simply tedious.But that's just my idea after reading that blurb summary...
Considering the delay I wonder if it'll ever come out. I wonder if she'd ever consider releasing somethign under a pen name. I know she's holding onto, "Duchess of York" like a drowning man with a life preserver but, if the story is good enough, could an editor convince her to try her hand without the RF limelight? The cloak job wouldn't last long but if it showed any sign of success it'd help her rebuild.
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:21 PM
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It's exactly what you said.
I said 'may have done' - I could see compassion and a desire to help being the foremost motives, yes - especially if Sarah approached her with the idea. Do we actually know how this idea for the documentary came to be? However, as the producer Oprah would keep an eye on the bottom line for sure - but I can see why you interpreted me as you did. Oprah is looking for talent for her network - she is looking for shows. I dunno - it all makes sense to me - I see nothing nefarious to it - so there you go.
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What is she doing now besides writing
Because after watching "finding Sarah : from royalty to the real world" I felt bad for her that she is sort of hated or shunned by the BRF and the English people except her daughters, princesses Beatrice and Eugenie because of course she is their mother and they love her and Andrew still has some sort of affection for her and the way she described how she was raised and grew up, I'm sorry but I just felt bad for her and for all the things she's been through
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Let's not start the the value of Oprah debate again.
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On another note the News of the World is closing down after Sunday's edition. I wonder is Sarah sheding a few tears?
Not before time! Thank goodness. I would never believe the stories that originated from that rag. What would make me shake my head is when I heard or read other news reports that would state "According to the News of the World" or "An investigation by the News of the World has uncovered..."

And how often did they make Royals their target? I think the entire Royal Family and other public personalities in general would be shedding many tears of happiness! Good riddance to bad rubbish!
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Sarah has a new books coming out, a romance called Hartmoor: (info from amazon.com)
This is a classic historical romance from Sarah, Duchess of York.It is Spring 1782, and Lady Margaret Sarah Montagu, the only child of the 9th Earl of Hartmoor, is making her social debut at Hartmoor House in Grosvenor Square.
Is it possible that Sarah named the character after herself (Sarah Margaret Ferguson/Margaret Sarah Montagu)? Montagu is also her paternal grandmother's last name (Marian Montagu Douglas Scott).
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Is it possible that Sarah named the character after herself (Sarah Margaret Ferguson/Margaret Sarah Montagu)? Montagu is also her paternal grandmother's last name (Marian Montagu Douglas Scott).
It wouldn't be surprising .... fairytales, again.
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Sarah has a new books coming out, a romance called Hartmoor: (info from amazon.com)
This is a classic historical romance from Sarah, Duchess of York.It is Spring 1782, and Lady Margaret Sarah Montagu, the only child of the 9th Earl of Hartmoor, is making her social debut at Hartmoor House in Grosvenor Square. While Lady Margaret cannot inherit her father's title, she is of interest to most of the eligible peers of the realm, for she is heiress to a huge Irish estate, Wingfield Park. Moreover, the Earl of Hartmoor is immensely influential: he is master of Hartmoor Castle in Lancashire, owner of a stud at Newmarket, a country estate in Surrey, and is a key player in the House of Lords as well as being an advisor to King George III. But the Earl has never recovered from the unexpected death of his Countess, Juliana, some six years previously, and shows no inclination to marry. If his bloated, drunken, younger brother survives him, then he will become the 10th Earl. There is also his sister, Lady Geraldine Montagu, a vicious, angry spinster who controls the Earl's household, and is, some say, unnaturally close to her younger brother.Lady Margaret, a child born of love, is endowed with great faith and courage, and infused with tremendous spirit. From the moment of her appearance, it is clear, from the hush that falls upon the ballroom, that she is not only an independent soul, but a great beauty; a woman who will want to control her own life, loves and destiny. "

Strange that they write that it "is" due to come out in June 2010 but is not yet available... Does one knows more?
That summary sounds like it hits every cliche of Regency Romance, bar none! Georgette Heyer it's not!
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The book sounds awful. Nothing there gives me any reason to read it. That could also explain the many delays. I think releasing it under another name would be good then if it does good she could reveal herself. But I doubt she would or the publishing company she got the deal cause of her name not her writing talent. Oprah has had Sarah on her show for years no big mystery as to why she got the deal. Oprah needed something to get her new network some interest Sarah and her problems fit the bill. I would think if she had left Royal Lodge we would have heard about it and her show would take credit for giving her the courage to move. Because unless she does she hasn't actually learnt anything and isn't ready to be independent! You can't be a strong woman with great self esteem and still be sponging of your ex it just doesn't gel. With the money from Oprah she should be able to afford to rent a flat she is one person she doesn't need a huge house or staff just because she believes she deserves too. The show has been filmed and over with if she has changed we should start seeing it......I have to be honest I'm not holding out too much hope! News of The World may be gone but it won't stop other tabloids.
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