Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 16: January-May 2011


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The media are now reporting that Sarah won't be invited to Prince William's wedding after all - which certainly contradicts the reports of 2 or 3 weeks ago.

Read More: Royal Wedding: Diana's friend Sarah, Duchess of York is not invited by Prince William - Telegraph

I'm not that surprised, but it does seem a shame that they couldn't have moved on and showed a little generosity of spirit. Although I'm certainly not blaming Prince William - the decision is probably out of his hands.
 
Show a little generosity of spirit? So feeding her, sheltering her and wiping out most of her debt isn't enough?
She's gotten more than she's deserved from that family.
 
The media are now reporting that Sarah won't be invited to Prince William's wedding after all - which certainly contradicts the reports of 2 or 3 weeks ago.


Although it may seem like the Abbey has a huge capacity, they do have to limit the number of guests. (I read that one reason Charles and Diana chose St. Paul's was to accommodate the many people clamoring for invitations).

William and Catherine wanted something on a somewhat smaller scale, but unfortunately that means certain people (possibly not that close to the couple) will have to be left out.

They have friends, relatives, staff, courtiers, other royals, government officials, etc. who must be included. Not to mention the ordinary members of the public they plan to ask. They have to cut the list at some point.
 
watch Sarah show up the day of the wedding.

I believe and am not too surprised that Sarah didn't expect an invitation.
Why would she? Of course the Scandal last year was a diaster for her, but the fact is that even when things were going really well for Sarah, (say 10 years ago) earning some respect for paying off her debts, big popularity in the US, Andrew and herself being admired for providing a family unit for Beatrice and Eugenie, she has never being full accepted back into the fold, and this was at a time when many people would have welcomed a reunion with Andrew and even some tabloids were urging HM to invite her for Christmas.

I'm just curious as to why you might think she will show up on the day, what is your line of thinking there?
 
I'm not that surprised, but it does seem a shame that they couldn't have moved on and showed a little generosity of spirit. Although I'm certainly not blaming Prince William - the decision is probably out of his hands.

A shame? Who shamed whom? Sarah has done the family one of the biggest disservice imaginable last year: on trying to sell access to a member of the family she presented them as mercenaries who would do anything for money. Not only Andrew and her daughters. She must have known that the Royal family is seen as a unit and on damaging one of them she is damaging all.

And then she went on to sell herself to Oprah as a "morally corrupt" woman that needs Oprah's and American specialist help "to be bettered" and saved from her moral faults. Which include public adultery and divorce... What kind of light does that shed on the BRF and their ability to cope with someone like Sarah?

Now this is a woman I believe the queen and duke would "love" to sit in the same church with when their "most dearly beloved grandson" (quote of the Queen in council), the hope of the monarchy for the future, ties the knot with his so far discreet and loyal bride.

I have nothing against Sarah in person, but what she did to the BRF was so bad that there cannot be an official invitation for her. That has nothing to do with generosity of the spirit but with pride in the family's honour.
 
I know Sarah is down and out and some might are very disappointed in her actions (as they have a right to be) but let's not start the Sarah bashing. Don't assume that you know what she is thinking or her next step will be.

The Sarah bashing (which recently started again) will not be tolerated.
 
I know Sarah is down and out and some might are very disappointed in her actions (as they have a right to be) but let's not start the Sarah bashing. Don't assume that you know what she is thinking or her next step will be.

The Sarah bashing (which recently started again) will not be tolerated.

Zonk, sorry I wrote my response while you were writing yours. But I didn't mean it to be a bashing of Sarah but rather I wanted to show why it's understandable that the BRF does notwant to have her in the wedding after last year's scandal. I hope it's okay so, otherwise please remove my post. :flowers:
 
I believe and am not too surprised that Sarah didn't expect an invitation.
Why would she? Of course the Scandal last year was a diaster for her, but the fact is that even when things were going really well for Sarah, (say 10 years ago) earning some respect for paying off her debts, big popularity in the US, Andrew and herself being admired for providing a family unit for Beatrice and Eugenie, she has never being full accepted back into the fold, and this was at a time when many people would have welcomed a reunion with Andrew and even some tabloids were urging HM to invite her for Christmas.

I'm just curious as to why you might think she will show up on the day, what is your line of thinking there?

even though she is divorced from the royal family, she is still his aunt. i think this is a tabloid reporting to sell papers.
 
even though she is divorced from the royal family, she is still his aunt. i think this is a tabloid reporting to sell papers.

There are plenty people aren't close to their biological aunts and uncles let alone their former aunt (She isn't an aunt as she isn't married to Andrew anymore). Her being at the wedding is a distraction that they've deemed necessary to needs to be avoid.

Regardless of how well she's done too much recently to simply give her a ticket. This is the most important day in the family's recent history and, if this report is true, it makes perfect sense for them to say no. Everything coming together in the last nine months simply comes off more bad than good.
 
even though she is divorced from the royal family, she is still his aunt. i think this is a tabloid reporting to sell papers.

Actually Sarah was William's aunt by marriage and not by blood. Once the marriage ended, she is no longer his aunt. Its the same in my case. The nieces and nephews of my ex husband are no longer related to me as I am not married to their uncle.
 
As I stated in the Wedding musings and suggestions thread, its really a matter of personal feelings.

True Sarah is legally not their aunt. Osipi provided one example. I have another. My parents have been divorced over 16 years. All of my cousins (on both sides of the family) do not refer to my parents as Ex Aunt/Uncle. They call them to this day ....Aunt XXX, Uncle XXX.

As my Uncle said (brother to my Mother)...Your parents divorced each other. We didn't.

Regardless, for whatever reason (lack of relationship between William and Sarah, scandal, lack of space and closer to other people)....its done. Sarah appears to be okay with (based on her statement).
 
True, there are plenty of examples of the divorced former in-law still being called that or even unrelated folks being called it but that implies a closeness that we can't be sure that William and Harry had to Sarah.

The royals rarely congregate in mass so it'd be a bit tough to think that William and Harry were that close to a non-royal relative who divorced out of the family when they were nearing adolescence. Close to their mother or not.
 
I'm not surprised that Fergie didn't get an invitation, in reality, she wasn't close to William or Harry before their mother's death and especially when Diana and Fergie had a falling out. To be fair, Andrew shouldn't really get an invitation since he hasn't been close to either young man, but he's an uncle and a blood relative and there has to be peace in the immediate family.:p
It's natural that the York girls are invited because they're close in age to William plus both brother's have socialized with their cousins frequently.
 
The royal correspondent for one of the TV channels here this morning said that William hasn't spoken to Fergie since 1995 and that it was his decision not to invite her. Seems as if William does hold his mother's grudges well, in some cases and not others. The sad thing is that I think Diana and Sarah would have reconciled in time but Sarah is not going to be reconciled with the Wales' boys.
 
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I just read this on twitter and I agree with this decision, she is an embarrassment to the royal family. I do feel sorry for her two daughters. A lot of people finds Sarah to be a joke.
 
I'm not surprised that Fergie didn't get an invitation, in reality, she wasn't close to William or Harry before their mother's death and especially when Diana and Fergie had a falling out. To be fair, Andrew shouldn't really get an invitation since he hasn't been close to either young man, but he's an uncle and a blood relative and there has to be peace in the immediate family.:p
It's natural that the York girls are invited because they're close in age to William plus both brother's have socialized with their cousins frequently.

How do you know that William and Harry are not close to Andrew? Are you privy to some information that none of us have?

I am a bit confused since there have been reports that Sarah doesn't know if she has been invited? Maybe the tabloids don't want the story to end?
 
The royal correspondent for one of the TV channels here this morning said that William hasn't spoken to Fergie since 1995 and that it was his decision not to invite her. Seems as if William does hold his mother's grudges well, in some cases and not others. The sad thing is that I think Diana and Sarah would have reconciled in time but Sarah is not going to be reconciled with the Wales' boys.

The distaste that William has for the media and his liking of Camilla who has always behaved with the utmost discretion in public plus the way he and Catherine behave on protecting their private sphere might give an inkling just about why William does not like Fergie.

I guess William adored his beautiful mother and then came Fergie and told details of her relationship with Diana, showing that his mother was a godess with clay feet including warts.... For a young boy this must be very, very annoying, because I can imagine how he was asked about it in school, the other boys saying: Well, your aunt said so and she must know....

And then followed a series of other public appearances and scandals. No wonder William never warmed to this ex-aunt again. Just my 2 Cents, of course.
 
"Show a little generosity of spirit?" they showed it endlessly for years for her to always herself down !
 
The distaste that William has for the media and his liking of Camilla who has always behaved with the utmost discretion in public plus the way he and Catherine behave on protecting their private sphere might give an inkling just about why William does not like Fergie.

I guess William adored his beautiful mother and then came Fergie and told details of her relationship with Diana, showing that his mother was a godess with clay feet including warts.... For a young boy this must be very, very annoying, because I can imagine how he was asked about it in school, the other boys saying: Well, your aunt said so and she must know....

And then followed a series of other public appearances and scandals. No wonder William never warmed to this ex-aunt again. Just my 2 Cents, of course.


The reason, according to this reporter, was that Sarah had made a comment about 'celebrities raising money for charity to boost their own status as being less than honest' and that Diana took that to be a criticism of her - that Sarah claimed at the time was not the case - but Diana refused to believe her and so ended their friendship.

I notice though that whatever the reason the boys don't stick by all their mother's grudges as they do/did have relationships with her late mother and brother, with whom Diana was also on the outer when she died so they are rather selective in holding her grudges.
 
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I don't have any exclusive info about the boy's relationship with Andrew so I should have added it was just thinking on my part. I apologize for the misleading statement.
Today in the Daily Express, it stated that now Sarah's spokesperson has stated that she will not be overseas the day of the wedding. This seems to contradict a previous statement that Sarah had an overseas commitment and would not even be in the country. As with any wedding there are slews of rumors going around so which is correct I don't know.:flowers:
 
I notice though that whatever the reason the boys don't stick by all their mother's grudges as they do/did have relationships with her late mother and brother, with whom Diana was also on the outer when she died so they are rather selective in holding her grudges.


Do they have a relationship with Earl Spencer?
I read where he said something to the effect that he never sees them because they don't want to hang around with an uncle in his forties, or something like that.
 
I would imagine that they wouldn't want to hang out with him as he has his own house to put in order. But that's just MO.
 
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Indeed there was 4Pam, indeed there was.
Her spokesman never said she wasn't invited, what he did say was that she didn't know yet if she was invited, but even if she was she wouldn't be going, she didn't feel it would be relevant or appropriate for her to attend. He went on to say she would be overseas on the day.
Since then there are reports that he seems to have contradicted himself by saying she won't be overseas on the say of the wedding afterall.

I read in one of the papers that she hosted a birthday party for Andrew at Royal Lodge at the weekend, despite last year they were getting on the same as ever, but it's sad that not one of his siblings turned up even though they were invited.
 
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Yes, the Mail is being hypocritical in that the last year the tabloid was slamming Sarah at every opportunity after her scandal. In fact, the Mail was practically crowing at the breaking news of the scandal and calling her "greedy" etc. Now it's portraying her as a cast out Royal, left in the cold, by the heartless Royal Family. What rot. You can almost hear the violins playing when reading the items.
Yesterday, on the US news, Dickie Arbeiter, formerly employed by the Royal Household was asked (baited) by the woman commentator why Fergie was not invited and being shunned? He laughed then stated, why should she be invited? She's an ex-wife, she should not have expected to be invited? If one looks at it that way, then why wasn't Mark Philips invited? He's Anne's ex-husband?
The press is such a pain in the neck and most of the time it has no clue what it's talking about except to stir up the pot.
 
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I'm personally not worried one way or the about whether or not Sarah has been invited. But I would say that I can think of no one who has invited their uncle's ex-wife to their wedding?
 
I'm personally not worried one way or the about whether or not Sarah has been invited. But I would say that I can think of no one who has invited their uncle's ex-wife to their wedding?

I know many people who have invited ex-aunts and ex-uncles to weddings.

Put it another way - would any one here have expected Diana to be invited to Beatrice or Eugenie's weddings if she had lived? Of course she would have been but in reverse everyone seems to say 'of what is the big deal?'

Another point is 'how is Andrew's invitation worded'? Normally a single person gets an invitation that says 'xxx and partner' so does Andrew's say 'Andrew and partner' or is Andrew not allowed to have a partner at these events simply because the love of his life is no longer his wife?
 
I think it is mean and vindictive not to have invited William's Aunt Sarah.
She was a best friend to his mother and she is the mother of his
two cousins.
Sarah would have been close to the boys when they were little.
 
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