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Old 05-16-2011, 07:04 PM
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I did not mean to dispute your recollection; it is just, to me at least, that the Queen keeps her emotions in check and I find it hard to reconcile her weeping with what I have read about her. I know that she is quite warm and witty in person but I never knew her to shed tears.
Kind of the issue with the business like Queen that we see, kinda forget that there is a human being in there. If she did is open to debate but I don't think it's hard to believe once you put the Queen's public persona out of your head.
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Old 05-16-2011, 07:20 PM
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No one is not saying that she isn't fond of Sarah. That has pretty much been established and frankly, its been established that Sarah also holds the Queen in high regards (to some extent although her recent actions can make one question it).

But to hear that the Queen wept (not saying that she couldn't) well,honestly it sounds like poetic license from a Christopher Andersen or Kitty Kelley novel. And they know this how? They are so off most times in their books (the Queen asking William if it was true that he and Kate had gotten back together, in the corner of BP holding on to her purse...I mean really!) that anything that is written by them, always makes me look at it sideways.
ITA that both Andersen and Kelley are both a not very funny joke...and I cannot recall if I read it in one of their works.

But I have read almost every article and book regarding Sarah/Andrew because at one time they were my favorite couple, and I did indeed read that HM wept at the news of yet another marital failure in her family in that horrible year, and I read it MORE than once.

Whether it is true or not, I have no idea. But I personally have no difficulty at all believing that it is.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:38 PM
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Anne and Mark had divorced already, The War of the Walses was going on, and then Sarah wanted a divorce. I don't doubt that HM wept. That would wear anyone down.


[QUOTE=sliver_bic;1254019 it is possible that she became emotional at the thought of them breaking up.[/QUOTE]
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:41 PM
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She wept publicly at the decommissoning of the Britiannia, and she wept when she visited Dunblane after the massacre of the schoolchildren there; and those were public occasions. I have no doubt that she occasionally weeps in private.

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I did not mean to dispute your recollection; it is just, to me at least, that the Queen keeps her emotions in check and I find it hard to reconcile her weeping with what I have read about her. I know that she is quite warm and witty in person but I never knew her to shed tears.
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:49 PM
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Granted, the Queen sheds tears at time; after all, she is only human. I guess I did not make my point clear enough. If she did weep at the failure of the Yorks' marriage, who do you think were present when she wept? I would imagine only members of the family would be a witness to this, or maybe the most intimate of the household staff. Do you think one of the family or household blabbed?
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I think that any staff member or member of the household could have noticed and mentioned it. I doubt that an immediate member of the family would have talked about it--unless it was Sarah herself. I seem to recall a story from a footman (Stephen Barry, perhaps? or Paul Burrell?) about HM weeping after coming home from an official event. She was still in her jewels and evening dress.

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Granted, the Queen sheds tears at time; after all, she is only human. I guess I did not make my point clear enough. If she did weep at the failure of the Yorks' marriage, who do you think were present when she wept? I would imagine only members of the family would be a witness to this, or maybe the most intimate of the household staff. Do you think one of the family or household blabbed?
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Old 05-17-2011, 04:41 AM
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Back on topic. Any opinions on Sarah's look at the Butterfly Ball?
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Old 05-17-2011, 12:10 PM
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Granted, the Queen sheds tears at time; after all, she is only human. I guess I did not make my point clear enough. If she did weep at the failure of the Yorks' marriage, who do you think were present when she wept? I would imagine only members of the family would be a witness to this, or maybe the most intimate of the household staff. Do you think one of the family or household blabbed?
OMG...now that you mention it I think it WAS Sarah...in that book "My Story" ...is one of the places I read it.

It would be like her to be so indiscreet..I'll try to dig the book out of my closet this week and confirm it for sure.

Vita...do you mean her black and white evening gown? I thought the dress did not fit her properly and was unflattering...but it was a chic gown nonetheless.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:37 PM
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I liked the dress on her and her hair but I thought the colors black and white did not look right on her complexion and with that particular style.
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Old 05-17-2011, 01:41 PM
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OMG...now that you mention it I think it WAS Sarah...in that book "My Story" ...is one of the places I read it.

It would be like her to be so indiscreet..I'll try to dig the book out of my closet this week and confirm it for sure.

Vita...do you mean her black and white evening gown? I thought the dress did not fit her properly and was unflattering...but it was a chic gown nonetheless.
Moonmaiden,

If this was recounted by Sarah, and let's assume for the sake of argument that Sarah was not making it up, this may have been the straw which broke the camel's back and caused the Queen to turn away from Sarah after being so fond of her previously. I think the Queen dislikes the members of the family and retainers being indiscreet and airing dirty laundry in public, not to mention disclosing personal and confidential matters as well.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:11 PM
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Vita...do you mean her black and white evening gown? I thought the dress did not fit her properly and was unflattering...but it was a chic gown nonetheless.
That, I believe, is a Marchesa gown which she wore at the beginning of last month to a Marchesa event in Toronto. It fit her better then; I think she's looking a bit rougher at the moment.

So yes, Vasillisos Markos & Moonmaiden, if Sarah in fact wrote that the Queen "wept" at the York divorce in her book, then I agree it could well have been the beginning of permafrost from the BRF. Again making the assumption that Sarah is telling the truth - always a rather large caveat - it's the height of indiscretion to discuss that publicly. Not just discuss - to profit from it. Reminds me of this latest with Andrew, and Sarah's claims of Andrew's feelings, and her intent to profit from telling what should not be told.

It's terribly overdramatic to boot.
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Old 05-17-2011, 02:43 PM
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So yes, Vasillisos Markos & Moonmaiden, if Sarah in fact wrote that the Queen "wept" at the York divorce in her book, then I agree it could well have been the beginning of permafrost from the BRF. Again making the assumption that Sarah is telling the truth - always a rather large caveat - it's the height of indiscretion to discuss that publicly. Not just discuss - to profit from it. Reminds me of this latest with Andrew, and Sarah's claims of Andrew's feelings, and her intent to profit from telling what should not be told.

It's terribly overdramatic to boot.
Sarah did not write that the Queen wept. I have the book, My Story, and she didn't discuss the Queen's reaction to the actual divorce at all. Sarah does mention the Queen's reaction when Sarah told the Queen she wanted a separation from Andrew: "The Queen looked sadder than I had ever seen her. She asked me to reconsider, to be strong and go forward."

By the way, Sarah is quite clear in the book that she asked for the separation and was determined to go through with it - she couldn't stand life in the royal family anymore. She also writes that Andrew "saw my resignation and did not try to argue: 'If this will make you happy, then I still stand by you.' "

It's interesting to read the book, which was published in 1996, because it reflects the way Sarah felt at the time right after the divorce. Even then, it's obvious she did not want to divorce Andrew - she writes that they were still good friends, but she didn't see any way to pay off her debts except going out to earn money. She writes, "I could have given in and gone back to him. Though the Grey Men would have gone psychotic, there were limits to even their power...But...I could not accept the antiquated system that ruled a Royal's life. I would not let myself be judged by all the Queen's men. Not then, not now, not ever."

I guess 15 years later, Sarah realizes life wasn't greener on the other side. And Andrew probably wishes he hadn't given in quite so easily to her demands for a divorce.
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Fergie, duchess of discounts -Daily Mail
"You have to doff your hat to the Duchess of York.
Pointedly excluded from the Royal Wedding she has, all the same, been investing in William and Kate memorabilia. What’s more she made her purchases under the noses of her royal critics — in the Buckingham Palace gift shop..."
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Moonmaiden,

If this was recounted by Sarah, and let's assume for the sake of argument that Sarah was not making it up, this may have been the straw which broke the camel's back and caused the Queen to turn away from Sarah after being so fond of her previously. I think the Queen dislikes the members of the family and retainers being indiscreet and airing dirty laundry in public, not to mention disclosing personal and confidential matters as well.
Hey..I'm gonna do some digging in my books and try to find out for sure this weekend...I have a storage bin with stacks and stacks of books...so when I find the exact book and the author I will report back here to you guys!
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I am just hoping Oprah's people can hypnotize her to shut up and go far far away.
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"...But...I could not accept the antiquated system that ruled a Royal's life. .... Not then, not now, not ever."
I guess she'd like to eat those words now; she's wildly signaling in every way possible that she wants back "in."
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Fergie, duchess of discounts -Daily Mail
"You have to doff your hat to the Duchess of York.
Pointedly excluded from the Royal Wedding she has, all the same, been investing in William and Kate memorabilia. What’s more she made her purchases under the noses of her royal critics — in the Buckingham Palace gift shop..."

Will she try to sell them now on eBay? Or autograph them and sell them to the highest bidder??!

I am fascinated by people who have no shame whatsoever...she just hasn't a clue how ridiculous she looks doing stuff like this!
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Will she try to sell them now on eBay? Or autograph them and sell them to the highest bidder??!

I am fascinated by people who have no shame whatsoever...she just hasn't a clue how ridiculous she looks doing stuff like this!
It's just a discount. It says what she's going to do. Considering the things she's done I'm not going to jump down her throat for taking it.
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Bella - I think you are confusing the cast of "Desperate Housewives" which is a series which airs on ABC (a major broadcast network) with the "Real Housewives" reality shows franchise on Bravo (a minor cable network.) I am comparing Sarah's show - a "reality" show - with the Real Housewives. Here is a link to the original franchise of that series for your reference: The Real Housewives of Orange County - Season 6 - Bravo TV Official Site

If you see my later post, I make the point that Oprah's is a minor cable network with far less money. Oprah optioned 6 shows with the possibility of more. At the top end of the newbie range of $10K per show, times 6 shows, equals $60,000 - not in the six figures by any stretch. She's coming in with a higher profile than the ladies (and I use that term loosely) of the Real Housewives franchises. As those ladies became better known, their pay got popped up to $10K per episode. I don't see $10K per episode as being a particularly rich payday, I must admit. Figure that there is between 10 & 12 times as much footage shot as one sees on an edited final 1/2 hour or hour show.

So I think that Sarah's getting paid a max of $10K per show for six shows, with the possibility of more if she scores well in ratings. I'm sure she's hoping for life beyond this series, though. If this is the end of the line for her, it's a rather ignoble end, withering on a ratings-challenged third tier cable network.
I believe you are correct in my confusion. If that's the case, hopefully she has it in her contract that even if the show is cancelled early on she will still be paid.
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