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Old 03-06-2011, 10:51 PM
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Abuser paid Fergie's debt: Pressure grows on Andrew after revelation that duchess accepted £15,000 from his billionaire sex offender friend

And it just gets worse.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:10 AM
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i wish sarah had an email and we could send a message saying 'girl, think twice from now on.' when will it stop?
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:35 AM
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A grifter (like the Angelica Hudson movie) is someone who is selling a con. I don't believe that is the case for Sarah.
Well, I do. Sarah's made a second career out of looting her friends. And I believe the biggest con that Sarah has played, has been on herself.

BTW - the idea that she is out of the woods on the financial stuff with the last of this appearing to be sewn up, isn't correct. As I mentioned earlier in this thread during her "flash the cash" in the Caribbean time, most creditors have what is known as claw-back provisions in debt settlements, as well as good-faith bargaining provisions. Meaning that if it is discovered that one creditor benefitted from a richer agreement than another, or if the debtor was not completely forthcoming with the source of funding of debt settlements, then the agreement can be put aside. (An example might be "oh, I got my friend Charlie to give up his claims" when in fact Charlie had been paid off by, say, some guy named Jeffrey instead.) The creditor can then sue for the full amount of original debt, plus damages.

Forcing her employees to take a 75% cut might seem like good business (however rotten to the individuals) but if her corporate creditors got a "worse" deal - such as 10% on the debt (which seems to be the number being bandied about,) - then those corporate creditors can take her to court for bad-faith dealings as well as other claw-backs. As crummy as forcing long-time employees and "friends" to take a 75% cut is - to an entity that got 10%, it looks quite rich.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:52 PM
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i wish sarah had an email and we could send a message saying 'girl, think twice from now on.' when will it stop?
Thinking once would be a good start....
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:01 PM
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Forcing her employees to take a 75% cut might seem like good business (however rotten to the individuals) but if her corporate creditors got a "worse" deal - such as 10% on the debt (which seems to be the number being bandied about,) - then those corporate creditors can take her to court for bad-faith dealings as well as other claw-backs. As crummy as forcing long-time employees and "friends" to take a 75% cut is - to an entity that got 10%, it looks quite rich.
Good point--how will Sarah's other creditors feel if they find out that two of her staff got a "special" deal, just so Sarah could resolve her debts?

I think it was a mistake for Sarah not to claim bankruptcy. For one thing, in this case, some of her creditors were paid back unequally. Secondly, as we know now, Prince Andrew apparently went to great lengths to take care of Sarah's debts, including contacting Epstein--and who knows which other dubious rich "friends" were contacted in an effort to pay of Sarah's debts?

I also think Sarah is not "out of the woods" at all. In fact, she's in a worse place than she's ever been in her life. Oprah's network is faltering--if the docuseries even airs, not many people will watch it. The Daily Mail says that a book, "Finding Sarah", will be written as a follow-up to the series, but who will buy this book, given the small audience who will even watch the program? What more do people need to know about Sarah? Then there are "Little Red" TV and book deals, apparently. But is Little Red a popular character? Once again, who will watch Little Red TV shows or buy Little Red books?

I don't think there is a market for anything Sarah is trying to do. In many ways, it would have been better for her to admit bankruptcy and let the Queen or Andrew pay her a small stipend to keep living quietly at Royal Lodge, doing some charity work on the side.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:22 PM
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Sarah's whole interview with the Evening Standard. "I would throw myself under a bus for him," she says of Andrew.

Sarah really needs to learn to keep quiet! I know that she is desperate to protect Andrew and clearly terrified that she has cost him his job, but less is sometimes more. Sarah also has a habit of blaming herself for absolutely everything--even when, as in this case, I don't think she really did anything wrong (she didn't contact Epstein, Andrew did).
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I am wondering how this will affect Sarah's new book deals. I was hoping she would get on her feet and just get on with her life and try to stay out of trouble as much as possible. This could throw a monkey wrench into things.
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Old 03-07-2011, 01:43 PM
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The idea of a woman being linked with an Epstein type, in any way, even unknowingly, is truly beyond the Pale. I think that the only people who might be interested in her books are collectors, people who want a souvenir of the disgraced Duchess of York.


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A few weeks ago, when Sarah was not invited to the Royal wedding, I said that I thought it was now over for Brand Sarah.

I believe that even more definitively now, for a different set of reasons.

It may be time to approach the Queen, hat in hand, and plead for: a small income, a quiet home - in return for discreet and permanent retirement.

Her time is past.
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:31 PM
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I agree completely. Some will say that this would be rewarding Sarah for the problem's she's caused. However, I think that this is the most dignified and healthy approach.


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Old 03-07-2011, 02:47 PM
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Sarah's whole interview with the Evening Standard. "I would throw myself under a bus for him," she says of Andrew.

Sarah really needs to learn to keep quiet! I know that she is desperate to protect Andrew and clearly terrified that she has cost him his job, but less is sometimes more. Sarah also has a habit of blaming herself for absolutely everything--even when, as in this case, I don't think she really did anything wrong (she didn't contact Epstein, Andrew did).
Agree 100% - especially as Andrew still is her meal ticket until this very day. She is one of these people who think they are terribly important and the world is terribly interested in their life and desperately waiting for a comment or action. A clar case of self delusion.

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it would be too good to be true.
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Old 03-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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I also think Sarah is not "out of the woods" at all. In fact, she's in a worse place than she's ever been in her life. Oprah's network is faltering--if the docuseries even airs, not many people will watch it.

Perhaps Sarah has a "pay or play" deal with Oprah?
For her sake, I hope so.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:08 PM
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Likely, yes. Sarah has such an over-the-top, flamboyant personality. In order for this to happen, I think that she'd probably need serious therapy and perhaps medication.


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Old 03-07-2011, 04:17 PM
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I didn't think something like that could ever happen to the BRF.
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Old 03-07-2011, 06:28 PM
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A few weeks ago, when Sarah was not invited to the Royal wedding, I said that I thought it was now over for Brand Sarah.

I believe that even more definitively now, for a different set of reasons.

It may be time to approach the Queen, hat in hand, and plead for: a small income, a quiet home - in return for discreet and permanent retirement.

Her time is past.
I don't think she'd go NaP. She seems, to me, too intersted in trying to BE someBODY. IMO, I she weighs her self worth by her public persona.
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It is quite horribly and grotesquely unfair that Sarah is being tarred, by association, with this man and his vile crimes. She has done NOTHING wrong, and should really not have created attention to this by apologising.
She knew nothing of what Epstein was up to (I don’t know if she’s even met him!), and it was her ex-husband who arranged this loan on her behalf. The media needs to stop these whispers and innuendos, and leave her alone!
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:13 AM
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Oprah's network is faltering--if the docuseries even airs, not many people will watch it. The Daily Mail says that a book, "Finding Sarah", will be written as a follow-up to the series, but who will buy this book, given the small audience who will even watch the program?

I thought there was whispers that Sarah's documentray for Oprah was shelved or pushed back because it wasn't juicy enough or dramatic enough, that it was too boring. Maybe this was an attempt to liven it up?

But really - how many more times can she embarress the Queen and still hold her head up?
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:54 AM
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Maybe if they had worked through their marital problems and not divorced they could have prevented the debts and lack of judgement.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:59 AM
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It is quite horribly and grotesquely unfair that Sarah is being tarred, by association, with this man and his vile crimes. She has done NOTHING wrong, and should really not have created attention to this by apologising.
She knew nothing of what Epstein was up to (I don’t know if she’s even met him!), and it was her ex-husband who arranged this loan on her behalf. The media needs to stop these whispers and innuendos, and leave her alone!
Sarah Ferguson accepted this money as a gift not a loan. She has herself admitted a `gigantic error of judgment` in doing so. The media has not created whispers and innuendos in this case. Sarah, Duchess of York has once again been involved in unsavoury activity concerning money and her former husband`s behaviour has also once again been called into question regarding this and the people he has been associated with in his ambassadorial role for Britain.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:11 AM
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It is quite horribly and grotesquely unfair that Sarah is being tarred, by association, with this man and his vile crimes. She has done NOTHING wrong, and should really not have created attention to this by apologising.
She knew nothing of what Epstein was up to (I don’t know if she’s even met him!), and it was her ex-husband who arranged this loan on her behalf. The media needs to stop these whispers and innuendos, and leave her alone!
I simply doubt Sarah cared much about where the money came from. She, as Oprah said about her, already acted like somebody who is morally corrupt when it comes to getting money and I personaly don't see where there is the difference between having her toes sucked by her financial advisor in front of her young daughters and accepting the help of another financial advisor with a shady past.

I at least have always wondered where the money came from with which Sarah hoped to clear her debts. And what was asked in exchange? And I bet that was what the media was asking as well so have kept their tabs on Sarah and Andrew in order to find proof of shady dealings which were rumoured for a long time.
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