Sarah, Duchess of York Current Events 17: June 2011-December 2013


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I caught an "interview" with Sarah on the Today Show and it was not good. She didn't really even answer the questions and she kept insisting over and over what a great relationship she and Andrew have. I haven't watched any of Sarah's show, but it is pretty clear to me that she hasn't changed.:bang:
 
Yeah, jen121419...I agree. In fact I have given up watching all her TV interviews. I stopped after the Cash for Access scandal...it's just too frustrating.

I can barely even read about her anymore.
 
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Diarist, I believe every word you have written to be an accurate description of how YOU see Sarah's life so please believe me when I say I hold no brief for her-I don't know her so am not qualified to say I either like or dislike. My gut feeling is that she probably has histrionic personality disorder which would explain the ever more embellished stories in a constant quest for attention. However, whether or not this is so, I must say something in her defence-Sarah is the ONLY person who knows what it actually felt like to be in her world as a child. It really is of no importance what others thought they saw and if I may pick up your paragraph about how Sarah rushed to see her Mother and why would she bother if her Mother had been abusive, if you had suffered abuse, I don't believe you would need to ask the question because you would know the answer.
I was in my mid forties before I realised that I had been abused. Prior to that I thought it was all my fault. She made me responsible for everything that she thought was wrong in her life, she told me I was so plain that nobody would ever want me and I was too stupid to have any real friends-I was still believing it when I was doing a degree!!! Did I give up trying to get it right, trying to make her love me? Never!! Next time I'd get it right. This or that deed or gift-I was never thanked-would be the turning point. I would have done ANYTHING for her approval, that's one of the things about being abused, one keeps returning like the beaten dog who continually crawls back to it's master and looks at him with pleading eyes......but this isn't about me, it's about Sarah and imo, and here I must allow that she isn't lying, it would be perfectly reasonable for her to show Susan "I have done very well for myself even though you told me I would never amount to anything and I'm prepared to share all of it with you"
I truly pray that whatever Sarah's problem is she finds the answer to it soon because even those with patience will begin to weary and despair of her.
 
Why would she make up the anecdote about finding her father in bed with a girlfriend, and that her father allowed the girlfriend to blame HER for it?

Everything that we know about Ferguson's character and behavior points to at least this story being true, imo.
 
Sarah was criticized for nominating her father's lover at the time to be her lady in waiting so that they, the father and lover, could be together on an overseas visit.
I have a feeling that the emphasis she puts on herself as being a good mother is that she was not a bolter (not from her children anyway) actually she is still around her ex husband as well. Strange situation. She praised her father so much when he was alive that it is difficult to take her seriously now.
 
I also think that anecdote about her father in bed with the girlfriend was true, especially since My Story was published while Major Ferguson was still alive. I doubt Sarah was abused in the usual sense of the word, but she felt abused, and maybe that's the most important part. Like Tsaritsa says, Sarah is the only person who knew what it felt like to be her. The stories about an unhappy childhood aren't at all new; they've just been embellished.

Part 2 [Sorry for this length]
A further unthinkable thought - unless Sarah 'gets a grip' pretty smart-ish, what will happen if she spends her way through the estimated $5m that her latest 'revelations' [interviews, tours, books etc] are expected to bring her? What can she say next time to be sensational? I can hardly bear to say it, but when you've started to dish the dirt on your parents in this way, the next claims are going to have to be grotesque presumably...

Only my humble opinions,

Alex

You are so right - Sarah is going to spend her way through this money too, and then what? What else can she sell? It's a scary thought.

I'm trying to figure out what it would take for Sarah to get the wake-up call that she needs, and I'm stumped. In this world, it seems that there's always someone willing to pay for dirt, revelations and secrets. The question is, just how low will Sarah go?
 
I caught an "interview" with Sarah on the Today Show and it was not good. She didn't really even answer the questions and she kept insisting over and over what a great relationship she and Andrew have. I haven't watched any of Sarah's show, but it is pretty clear to me that she hasn't changed.:bang:

Well, one has to ask ... how valuable as an interview would Sarah be IF she and Andrew had no relationship at all. She can hardly call him an ogre (although who knows what is to come). Her value is in her ongoing relationship with Andrew (royalty). As to being an "aristo" ... how pathetic is that? That is NOT the label I would paste on her.
 
There are different types of abuse but I would categorize the main three as physical, verbal and neglect. I think the first (physical) is what one thinks about when the term abuse is used but the latter (verbal and neglect) are just as if not more harmful than physical abuse. Verbal abuse (being screamed at or being told in a normal tone that you are ugly, not worth much or worthy of love) and neglect (being ignored or not given the proper food, shelter, love, etc.) can be reasons for Sarah's low self esteem and constant need for validation.

I haven't seen or read the interview so I can't comment on Sarah's claims of abuse. Only Sarah, the dead (her parents), her sister Jane, and any servants, friends of the family, etc (who might have been around) know the truth of what happened. I also concur with those who say if Sarah was abused, she could and would have continued to seek love/comfort/approval from her parents. How many of us do this ourselves with a significant other who isn't good, a relative and/or friend. Sometimes it just doesn't make sense but you do it anyway.

Abuse of any kind is a serious crime, offense and/or allegation. I hope that Sarah is not making any claims lightly just to make a buck. If this is true, I hope she gets the help she needs.

We shall see.
 
And Zonk, the tragedy is that abuse can be handed down from generation to generation, although in Sarah's case I think she's probablyn overcompensating. Before therapy I often heard my mother's words coming out of my own mouth and I had no idea why, they didn't sound right-they didn't taste right. It must also be remembered that our truth is unique to each of us. I was in college with a person whose mother had walked out on her three children when they were between 7 and 11. For various reasons it was not talked about until they all met up again when they were in their twenties by which time one was an alcoholic, one was having relationship problems and the other had psychiatric problems. When each of them recalled the day their mother left their individual memories were so diverse it was as if they were speaking of three different mothers and in one way they were because each of them experienced her in a different way. So it would have been with Sarah and Jane, those things which proved so traumatic to one girl may have b een shrugged off by the other.
Therapy can be hugely beneficial, but it can't cause the past not to have happened. All it can do is put the past in a place where it becomes easier for us to handle.
 
:previous: This is true.

If Jane was the "favored" child she could have either not witnessed the abuse of Sarah or would NOT have been abused herself. That could also play into Sarah's feeling of low self worth.
 
:previous: This is true.

If Jane was the "favored" child she could have either not witnessed the abuse of Sarah or would NOT have been abused herself. That could also play into Sarah's feeling of low self worth.

Just a quick post because I don't have time to look up the details, but didn't Jane divorce and have at least one more failed relationship after that? From what I remember reading about her, she hasn't been too successful in her relationships, either. She may not believe she was "abused", as Sarah seems to, but it doesn't mean she had a healthy upbringing, either. She married at 17 or 18 to an Australian, if I remember, and I've seen the suggestion that she married him to "escape" her home life.
 
:previous: This is true.

If Jane was the "favored" child she could have either not witnessed the abuse of Sarah or would NOT have been abused herself. That could also play into Sarah's feeling of low self worth.

Your appear to be right Zonk. Jane was speaking in Australia today and said about Sarah "she's not lying, that was her experience". However, she went to say her own experiences of her mother were good, that she believed she loved them both and did the best she could.
She visited Sarah on set twice as she was filming the show, and admitted she found it hard. She said the few espisodes were very tough but by the sixth one Sarah is in a better place.
 
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on another thread I have just noted that Sarah was photographed last week out at Mosimann's, one of the most expensive restaurant/dining clubs in the world. A TinB would have presumably vetoed such an expedition.
Diarist

According to Richard Kay (DM) she was dining with Andrew so I'm guessing he might have picked up the bill, but of course your right why does she put herself in the firing line.
 
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The problem is that Sarah has always, always had very expensive tastes.

Even when she is crying broke, she stays in the best hotels, eats at the best restaurants, and wears couture.

I would love to be a fly on the wall during one of she and Andrew's private convo's.

BTW...the inability to regulate oneself financially and continuing to overspend and stay in debt can be a classic sympton of someone who has survived child abuse.

They are trying to get fulfillment out of spending on "things" to fill the emptiness inside...and it's also a way to continue to self-sabotage.

If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?
 
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Isn't hindsight that place where we all have 20/20vision, Moonmaiden23?
 
Just a quick post because I don't have time to look up the details, but didn't Jane divorce and have at least one more failed relationship after that? From what I remember reading about her, she hasn't been too successful in her relationships, either. She may not believe she was "abused", as Sarah seems to, but it doesn't mean she had a healthy upbringing, either. She married at 17 or 18 to an Australian, if I remember, and I've seen the suggestion that she married him to "escape" her home life.
From what I remember, Jane was divorced from Makim what's his name and he kept the children. Seems living on an outpost in Austrailia with minimal creature comforts got to her.
 
If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?

Koo Stark has also had huge financial problems.
 
Koo Stark has also had huge financial problems.

Ohh...I didn't know...I thought she came from a well off family since her dad was a movie producer...then I thought she married a stamp heir, Tim Jeffries?

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Russophile, I think Jane Makim started to get restless-and starstruck-after her sister married into the BRF. You are right, I think that living in the Outback no longer suited her tastes or what she felt was her due as sister to the Duchess of York.

I also remember reading somewhere that poor Alex Makim went to Sarah, desperate for advice on saving his marriage, and she blew him off with "get a separation".

If true, that story is an example of karma at it's best,imo.

Yes indeed Tsaritsa...you are exactly right about hindsight!
 
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The problem is that Sarah has always, always had very expensive tastes.

Even when she is crying broke, she stays in the best hotels, eats at the best restaurants, and wears couture.

I would love to be a fly on the wall and one of she and Andrew's private convo's.

BTW...the inability to handle oneself financially and continuing to overspend and stay in debt can be a classic sympton of someone who has survived child abuse.

They are trying to get fulfillment out of spending on "things" to fill the emptiness inside...and it's also a way to continue to self-sabotage.

If the Queen and her advisors had any idea back in the day how really damaged Diana and Sarah were, I wonder would they have encouraged Charles to marry Camilla and have allowed Andrew to pursue Koo Stark?[/QUOTE]

True, however Charles could hardly have been considered a "balanced" individual. There are just too many stories out there pointing out his limitations. IMO, in the case of Charles and Diana it was the blind leading the blind. I don't think either one of them were strong enough to be supportive of the other. I do think he is more balanced now, but I also think that a good deal of that is due to Camilla .... giving "the devil his/her just dues". :lol:
 
Russophile, I think Jane Makim started to get restless-and starstruck-after her sister married into the BRF. You are right, I think that living in the Outback no longer suited her tastes or what she felt was her due as sister to the Duchess of York.

I also remember reading somewhere that poor Alex Makim went to Sarah, desperate for advice on saving his marriage, and she blew him off with "get a separation".


I remember reading the same thing; I got the impression that Jane was envious of her sister's new lifestyle and was hoping to share a few of the perks.

(I have to admit though, I don't think much of any woman who'd abandon her children, whether it's Susan Barantes or Jane Makim).
 
Princess of Durham, it's difficult for me to admit(about Camilla giving the rudderless Charles some direction and being good for him) because I am not a huge fan of hers but I agree.

Give her credit.

And Mirabel, I concurr 100% about women who abandon their children...even though I feel sympathy for the plight of any woman stuck in a miserable marriage.

I don't understand abandoning one's children unless the situation was dire to the point of life threatening.

Jane Makim sounds like she shot herself in the foot big time, all for nothing.
 
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Ohh...I didn't know...I thought she [Koo Stark] came from a well off family since her dad was a movie producer...then I thought she married a stamp heir, Tim Jeffries?

Please can I provide some background information on Koo Stark? Yes, rmay is quite right, Koo Stark is currently a bankrupt, having run up enormous bills including luxuries [including thousands of pounds owed to a Knightsbridge luxury 5* hotel that she couldn't pay] whereupon her creditors applied for a bankruptcy order.

The story of Koo is actually quite interesting. She is indeed the daughter of a wealthy film producer. The tabloids actually say that the reason that the Royals deemed Koo an unsuitable bride for Andrew was because of her appearance in the soft-porn movie Emily. I do know though from what I was told at work many years agao was that whilst the soft porn fim did not help, the real problem for Koo [and you have to place this in its context - more than 25 years ago] was Koo's previous lovers. She was engaged both to Robert Winsor [ a famous businessman] and when they parted, she received a settlement comprising money and a car. Koo's other 'significant other' to whom she had also been engaged was a Turkish Buinsessman.

I was told that BP's concern with Koo's previous lovers was that they 'might talk'. I would ask all forum members to place this in the context of the times - the thought of indiscreet talk by ex live-in lovers was all too much for the Palace. [Don't forget that the' impeccably-pedigreed' Davina Sheffield, a girlfriend of the Prince of Wales lost her 'chance' when a previous lover spoke about their time together...] Whilst Sarah of course had had two signifincant lovers, the well-bred Kim Smith-Bingham and the multi-millionaire Paddy McNally, BP concluded [correctly as it has turned out] that neither gentleman was likely to talk to the papers [too well-bred and too wealthy to need the tabloid pound respectively]

After Koo split from Andrew she did indeed marry Tim Jefferies. Whilst it is correct to say that he was a relative of the Green Shield Trading Stamp founder, the broadsheet papers made the point that very little of the wealth had actually passed to Tim. Some had, but it was not the mega-million figures mentioned by the tabloids. Whether Koo Stark married 'on the rebound' or whether there were other reasons [after all, who really knows what goes on in another's marriage....] the couple soon parted. Koo received a settlement, but as there were no Jefferies mega-millions, presumably we are not talking about a HUGE payout.

What happened next was very interesting. Koo claimed that her relationship with Andrew had made her 'unemployable' as an actress. I don't know why - this is, to my mind, one of those statements that people make that are hard to verify one way or the other. Her failure to get jobs as an actress could have been related to the (say) quality of the acting.... and I presume that the soft-porn film Emily required Koo to display her ''charms'' rather than her actual acting ability.

Meanwhile, Sarah had married Andrew, and the British Public, at first so supportive of Sarah [ because they were initially jaded with the apparent vanity of the Princess of Wales and admired Sarah, the jolly, 'girl next door' and the 'breath of fresh air'] then started to fall rapidly out of love with her. The reports of over-spending were beginning to surface ['greed'] and her 'payments for interviews and the Hello photo-shoot' all went down badly in a recession hit Britain. They did not take to Sarah's complaints about Andrew's naval absences [the 'typical lot' of a naval spouse, and obvious to anyone who marries a sailor] nor did they like her complaints over having to perform Royal Engagements. Public sympathy switched to Koo, who was felt to be behaving very well and discreetly, although Ross Benson [ a war journalist who turned into a gossip writer, but was felt to be a reliable source because he was a school chum of the Prince of Wales] later indicated that Koo's discretion reflected a confidentially agreement she had signed following receipt of a 'settlemen't from Buckingham Palace.

Meanwhile, several of the tabloids, commenting on the disintegrating York Marriage, began to hint that Koo had hooked up again with Andrew. Koo was furious and started to sue for defamation etc. Juries - perhaps because of their sympathy for Koo over 'losing Prince Andrew' to the by-then 'Duchess of Pork' as the tabloids had taken to calling poor Sarah by then - began to find in Koo's favour, and Koo was awarded several huge damages payments.

At that point, Koo really started to 'hit the high life'. She holidayed several times a year in exotic places, she bought a race horse [called 'Slow Exposure'] ...it was all 'spend, spend, spend]. Rather strangely, [given her legal actions] Koo also began to sell stories and photoshoots to the tabloids and Hello. Even more strangely, the articles all related to Prince Andrew and her life with him, although they always stopped short of actually saying anything salacious, although they used to hint very strongly about 'our full relationship' etc. [whatever 'full relationship' might mean!!!:) ]

All this led people to believe that perhaps Andrew had had a lucky 'escape'. And then something very extraordinary happened- for the times. A Royal Servant at BP sold his story to the Sun. This for the times seemed very very odd - it was before the era of 'tabloid revelations by Royal Staff -[ Burrell and Diana's former private secretary being the two most well known books by staff who 'told all']. According to the servant, Koo, when Prince Andrew's girlfriend, had shown a very keen 'eye to business', including making raids on the Queen's cupboards. A fascinated public read tales of Koo grabbing Bendicks Chocolates [ a royal favourite] from the Royal chocolate stash etc etc. Koo started to emerge as greedy and grasping... Oddly enough the Queen then took legal action to stop the 'revelations' proceeding beyond Day 3, but equally oddly, her action was based on breach of the confidentiality agreement signed by the servant, not because of any untruths...

Koo continued to jetset and then became pregant. Teasingly, she circulated headless pictures of her lover to the tabloids, offering to identify him if the £ was right.... [all this from someone who at one stage said the tabloids had invaded her privacy].

Disaster then struck, with Koo breaking up with her lover, who proved to be an American when his 'hed' was restored - see above reference to the photo! Koo's daughter by him was then born, but Koo tried to sue him for child support and according to her, lost all her money. She then found herself with breast cancer, for which I feel very sorry for her. However, finding herself in severe financial difficulties, it transpired that she had also lost her house [which led some people to believe that perhaps her money problems were not just due to her custody battle but more longstanding due to her years of holidaying and overspending with no source of income but rapidly diminishing financial settlements and kiss and tell stories] and then moved into the 5* Hotel, claiming somewhat peculiarly that 'because she had no money, the hotel was her only option, because a bed and breakfast place 'would have demanded money up front'

Koo was made bankrupt quite recently and is now supported by the British Taxpayer out of welfare payments. None of the fortune she made from her legal suits remains...



Sorry to go on at length, but there are certain interesting parellels with Sarah' story...

Alex
 
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This whole bad childhood talk reminds me of what Roseanne Barr said about her father over ten years ago. She publically said on Oprah if I am not mistaken that her father abused her. Then she came back and said it did not happen.
 
I remember reading the same thing; I got the impression that Jane was envious of her sister's new lifestyle and was hoping to share a few of the perks.

(I have to admit though, I don't think much of any woman who'd abandon her children, whether it's Susan Barantes or Jane Makim).

Spot on Mirabel. The problem with Jane started during Sarah and Andrew's visit to Australia. Again, as always, I invite fellow forum posters to put things in context. Jane fell in love with Alex Makim when he came to England to work as a polo groom on Major Ferguson's farm. She was 17 or 18. I remember seeing this all happen in England. Alex was a young, polo-playing Australian farmer, and so he was in one sense, a 'cut above an ordinary groom' as he had some money behind him. It's a bit like how quite uppercrust girls go and work as 'Chalet maids' in holiday chalets in the Alps during the ski-ing season. These girls are not really 'domestic servants' any more than Alex Makim was a groom.

I am not sure whether all forum members know a lot about Polo, but it really is a sport where men appear to advantage. They wear skin-tight white jeans, tight leather boots and knee-pads and rush about on their ponies playing a fast and dangerous game. When the matches stop, it really is a champagne-fest at the numerous parties that follow. Many of these players are professionals, made very wealthy by money from the so-called 'Patrons', the mega-rich team owners for whom they play. It is I think fair to say that many English girls lose their hearts to polo players, at least temporarily.

Jane was quite captivated by Alex Makim, who was her first 'proper' boyfriend. The champagne glitzy lifestyle also impessed the young 17 year old girl. Major Ferguson reputedly wanted Jane to marry Prince Charles [this was pre-Diana] but Charles was not interested [presumably he had his eye on Andrew Parker-Bowles' wife, one Camilla......not that Major Ron knew of course]. Once she was 18, Major Ron sanctioned the marriage of Jane, with Sarah as bridesmaid. At that stage there was never any suggestion of Jane fleeing an unhappy home - she was just in love. Period.

Off went Jane with her new husband to the Australian farm. The polo-season was over, the matches and the parties were over, and there was Jane, stuck 2 hours from her nearest neighbours and MILES from the nearest town. Communications were poorer than they are now, the farmwork was backbreaking with everyone [including Jane] having to 'muck in'....the accommodation was basic [outside 'dunny' complete with resident snakes that so terrified Sarah on a visit she made pre-Andrew]. To start with, Jane was in love and so she didn't mind....

But then, disaster [for Jane's marriage] struck. A few years had elapsed, during which time Sarah had married Andrew and the Royal couple went to Australia for an Official Visit. Whilst staying at Government House, the Governor threw a party for the best connected-Australians, including prominent socialites from Canberra and Sydney. Jane, stuck on her farm, received an invitation both to the party and to stay at Government House. I was told by a polo-playing friend that Jane was amazed at the luxury surrounding her younger sister.... her clothes, her jewellery, her lifestyle, the servants waiting hand and foot on Sarah.... now, please re-read the paragraph I wrote about the isolated farm, the hard, hard work, the snakes in the dunny....... In short, as I was told, Jane's marriage was never the same again...

Jane and Alex divorced. Jane then married an Australian of German [from memory] descent, and moved to the City. Perhaps she had married on the rebound, because that marriage collapsed too.

I am not sure whether it is possible to say that the effect of the parents' divorce negatively impacted on Jane's ability to have a sustaining marriage, as this is a question for the pscychiartrists, but from my own understanding, it was actually the lack of luxury and the marriage on the rebound before she really knew her second husband that really 'did' for Jane's respective marriages.

Alex
 
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Great info as usual Diarist...you are really a MOTHERLODE of all kinds of fascinating inside stuff..thank you!

And yes...polo is indeed a very sexy sport to watch. I read somewhere that many romances and flings are born on the polo field and I completely understand why.

And yes I vaguely remember reading about Koo and Andrew trolling around the Queen's apartments in one of the Royal residences during HM's absence and helping themselves to the Queen's chocolates and ...I THINK...even jumping up and down on her bed??!

I was laughing my head off. Imagine how THAT went down when it became public!

Koo has lived an "interesting" life..I am sad to hear about her bout with cancer, and that she has fallen on hard times.
 
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I don't usual go along with a lot of stuff on the web, but it now seems to be suggested that Sarah is saying that she did NOT go to Thailand for the wedding after all..

Please what is people's take on this statement? If Sarah has now changed her story, it does seem to impact on Sarah's diminishing credibility if she is now claiming that she did not watch the wedding in Thailand...........I have seen NONE of the Oprah interviews / tv interviews etc but I understood that she did tell Oprah that that was the case.........

Help please!

Thanks, Alex
 
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I don't usual go along with a lot of stuff on the web, but it now seems to be suggested that Sarah is saying that she did NOT go to Thailand for the wedding after all..

Please what is people's take on this statement? If Sarah has now changed her story, it does seem to impact on Sarah's diminishing credibility if she is now claiming that she did not watch the wedding in Thailand...........I have seen NONE of the Oprah interviews / tv interviews etc but I understood that she did tell Oprah that that was the case.........

Help please!

Thanks, Alex

I have to wonder if Oprah is having second thoughts about greenlighting her docudrama.:ermm:
 
I read that Sarah was in Thailand during the wedding to finish her OWN series and with her was Jane. Now, late winter, when it was brought up as to whether Sarah would be invited, Sarah's spokeswoman stated that Sarah didn't expect to be invited and would be out of the country at the time of the wedding anyway as she had business. Then, after the wedding she speaks about her flying to Thailand alone and either watching the wedding or having a friend call/text her about it and being devastated at not being invited. Now it emerges she was in Thailand wrapping up her series not only with her sister, but with the crew of Oprah's network. So Sarah wasn't all alone because she wanted to avoid the wedding she wasn't invited to and deal with her disappointment.
This is what happens with persons who feel the need to lie all the time, they have to keep inventing continual explanations/scenarios and many times forget what they told to whom in the long run.
I didn't watch the View, but apparently Whoopi Goldberg wasn't letting Sarah get away with her story mixups and excuses. This is what I've read on another forum so I don't know if this is true at all.
 
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