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Old 01-25-2009, 08:44 AM
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That's about as enlightening (and insulting) if I said all British are stuck up snobs with their lord-this-lady-that-stuff and emotional cripple with their stiff-upper-lip.
Perfectly true except for the emotional cripple section. We have emotions, but prefer to keep them private and would be exceedingly happy if others did as well!
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Old 01-26-2009, 12:07 PM
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It may be a widely held view, but as an American who works in the education system, I can tell you that it's an untrue and oversimplified one, and one that unfairly paints an entire country of incredibly diverse people as uninterested and uninformed.

No kidding. The monarchy is such a huge tourist draw for the UK -- they need to keep up these palaces if they want them to continue to be destination places for people who want to experience living history.

Also, it'd be a huge shame if HM and The Duke had to start carrying one of those plastic see-through umbrellas indoors at all times!
All I said was that it is a widely held view (note I have not voiced an opinion myself) that the knowledge of a lot of Americans, of the world outside the USA, is limited. I clarified at the outset that it was a generalisation, and there is no doubt that in a large and diverse country, the generalisation would be unfair to some - as would be the case for most generalisations!
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Old 01-26-2009, 03:34 PM
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I'm not accusing you of believing it, muriel, though using it as a defense for those who presume Americans aren't as informed or interested as those from a Eurocentric viewpoint is problematic at best, especially when you say you know that it's a generalization. If we all know it's an inaccurate generalization, why keep espousing it?

I'm just going to drop it, though, as we're off topic. Perhaps we should turn back to HM and The Duke?
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Old 01-26-2009, 04:56 PM
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I have to disagree here, Ascot is very much a social event. Many who attend, especially those with an invite to the Royal enclosure, are not there primarily for the racing.
I didn't mean to imply that Ascot isn't a social event, very much the opposite, just that The Queen is there for the racing and isn't there to meet and greet the general guests in the Royal Enclosure.

I'm certain though that most of the enclosure guests are there to be very social
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Old 01-26-2009, 09:31 PM
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All I said was that it is a widely held view (note I have not voiced an opinion myself) that the knowledge of a lot of Americans, of the world outside the USA, is limited. I clarified at the outset that it was a generalisation, and there is no doubt that in a large and diverse country, the generalisation would be unfair to some - as would be the case for most generalisations!
Muriel, I would say its not unfair to some but to many, including myself! Such generalizations only denote the ignorance of many europeans who unfortunately hold these views of americans without knowing much about the subject but the stereotypes that continue to be perpetuated. Yes our education system has room for improvement but the view that many europeans hold of americans as stupid is a gross exaggeration. After all we do have some of the best universities in the world in this country.
I actually can say that american college students, for example, can sometimes be more knowledgeable that english students because college students in this country are required to take a broad range of courses in different areas whereas in England they specialize in their A-levels subjects and when they go to university only study one subject. I actually found myself knowing more about english history than many english students, i met while studying in england for a semester, because they were specializing in one subject, like science, for example. Thats not to say that our system is better or to criticize the english system at all, in fact I believe both systems have their pros and cons. But it illustrates my point about how this generalisation about americans is unfair. I only point out the english because that is the system i know a bit more as I studied there for a bit.

Anyway back on the subject of the queen and DOE I do believe that the queen should open BP more often to the public during the year, when she is not there like in december and january and perhaps even some weekends when she is away at windsor. Its a demand that is to be expected if she is asking for all this money to fix the palace, besides its a good way for her to raise money. Then again maybe the queen has good reasons for not wanting to open the place that is her home for most days of the year more often.
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Old 01-27-2009, 07:24 AM
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Perfectly true except for the emotional cripple section. We have emotions, but prefer to keep them private and would be exceedingly happy if others did as well!
One couldn't agree more, I think that The Queen is the perfect example of this, a tear a a funeral is fine provided it stops at a tear and isn't a full bawling match.

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I take it that you were never a member of the Cherie Blair fan club then Marg?
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:33 AM
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I'm not accusing you of believing it, muriel, though using it as a defense for those who presume Americans aren't as informed or interested as those from a Eurocentric viewpoint is problematic at best, especially when you say you know that it's a generalization. If we all know it's an inaccurate generalization, why keep espousing it?

I'm just going to drop it, though, as we're off topic. Perhaps we should t`urn back to HM and The Duke?
I am not sure how you could say that I was "using it as a defense for those who presume Americans aren't as informed or interested".... all I have said is that a) it is a commonly held view (and not one I subscribe to) and b) generalisations, by definition, can be unfair. That said, I can see that it is probably best to drop this topic now.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:42 PM
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Queen Elizabeth II visits Flitcham Primary School on January 27, 2009 in Norfolk, England.

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A few more Norfolk 27-1-2009 pictures.

HM pretty in pink!
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...inkJan2709.jpg

HM very seriously taking in the "graffiti" artwork!
http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/r...009Norfolk.jpg
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How lovely to see her so happy! Thanks for posting these super links.
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what lovely pictures, The Queen always looks so relaxed and at home in Norfolk and up round Balmoral.

I also think its a lovely outfit and a lovelyn shade of pink
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Thanks for those very nice pics from today, giov and Lillibetforever!

The Queen looked simply perfect, she obviously enjoyed her
engagement and the dress together with the wonderful flowers
already give you a little spring feeling
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That first picture is a beautiful shot of Her Majesty!
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Sorry, Ma'am you're out of date: Council replaces portrait of the Queen with modern art | Mail Online
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How lovely to see her so happy! Thanks for posting these super links.
GillW,
Any information on that beautiful brooch?
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Any information on that beautiful brooch?
I'm afraid it's another of those without a known history. I have (so far) about a dozen sightings, my earliest being from 1989, but I know nothing of it's history.....I wish I did!
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Prince Philip was supposed to be with the Queen at the school visit, but he hurt his back.

Story here: The Press Association: Bad back forces Duke to miss visit
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Queen Elizabeth II visits Flitcham Primary School on January 27, 2009 in Norfolk, England.
Lovely pictures. HM looked lovely, the colours really worked for her.
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Prince Philip was supposed to be with the Queen at the school visit, but he hurt his back.

Story here: The Press Association: Bad back forces Duke to miss visit
One hopes Philip is better soon. At his age, even minor injuries can take a long time to heal.
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