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Old 01-04-2011, 02:08 PM
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Charlotte Church causes controversy by claiming Queen 'has no idea what is going on' | Mail Online
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:34 PM
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What rot! That young woman has an over-inflated opinion of herself, and a total lack of perspective.
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Old 01-04-2011, 04:52 PM
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She does, indeed! HM has more knowledge in her little finger than this silly young woman...
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Old 01-04-2011, 05:16 PM
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From the article: She said: 'I've met her about seven times and she never remembers me. When you get close to her you realise she's an old woman and has no idea what's going on.

Interesting comment. The Queen is old - old people do start to fail. The comment is from someone who has seen the Queen up close not just once or even twice. Interesting. I'll wager she will likely never meet the Queen again - fried all future invitations - unless she was misquoted, or quoted out of context. Though I have to say recent pictures of the Queen show an amazing change in her face. if she is ailing in some way - would the Crown admit it?

The honesty of the young. She may have said it but thought it was off-the-record or the interviewer is reporting what someone else said she said. I'm trying to give her the benefit. The quote will likely be selling lots of that issue of Esquire, anyway!

Its also the Daily Mail which I am coming to understand - even at my distance - is a newspaper intent on printing what sells, even if its a lie. Can we trust this report?
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:32 PM
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First of all, I am not sure of the Queen's mental facilities (although this is the first time I have heard such of a report). Secondly, I would taken anything written in the Daily Mail with a grain of salt.

Finally, the Queen has met thousands of people during her lifetime. Yes, I would imagine that if you have met someone seven times the chances are she (the Queen) should have an inkling of who Charlotte Church is. The catty Zonk says that obviously Charlotte in her seven meetings has not made enough of an impression on the Queen that she remembers her.

I agree, she most likely won't get another opportunity to meet the Queen. I would even wager a guess that within 24 to 36 hours we will get the "I have been misquoted" statement.
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Old 01-04-2011, 06:42 PM
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From the article: She said: 'I've met her about seven times and she never remembers me. When you get close to her you realise she's an old woman and has no idea what's going on.


With the hundreds and perhaps thousands of people HM meets and greets each month, there is no way I'd expect her to remember each person that she's met that month let alone over years of time. Putting the fact across that because this Charlotte was not remembered by HM seems to me that she's got too high of an opinion of herself and that she "deserved" to be remembered. As she wasn't, she blames it on old age. Personally I think HM probably didn't find much to be remembered.

Making this statement reminds me of the old adage "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsticks".
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:29 PM
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Earth to Miss Church: YOU will one day be OLD as well. And I hope you will be judged kinder by others than you are to HM.
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Old 01-04-2011, 07:35 PM
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It's so sad when young people cruelly criticize the older ones,I think it wasn't good idea to publish this neither from "Mail" nor from Miss Church.
I wonder what got her so angry to describe the Queen in such a manner.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:03 PM
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After making my initial, somewhat aggressive, remark, I thought I'd better take a deep breath and have a look at the evidence, for HM is, indeed, 84.

So I watched HM's Christmas message, and saw nothing there to make me suspect I was looking at a woman who "has no idea what's going on". I then read that last year HM carried out 444 engagements. That'll do me. Even if she were beginning to have difficulty remembering some details of recent events, that is a very, very long way from having no idea what's going on.

As others have observed, HM meets hundreds of people in the course of fulfilling her duties. She cannot be expected to remember every one of those to whom she speaks briefly in a meet and greet lineup. I suspect that Ms Church regularly changes her appearance, too, and that HM has met scores of young performers who look very much like she does, and can hardly be expected to remember her if she has not left an impression on HM for some reason. I think she might have managed to do that now, though.
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Old 01-04-2011, 08:19 PM
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I would also wager that Ms. Church was a child the first time she met the Queen. I'm sure she has changed a lot over the years.
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Old 01-05-2011, 12:51 AM
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I imagine Ms. Church will try to retract her statement, claiming that she was "misquoted," just like her infamous 9/11 statements. She has a mouth on her and zero tact. Too bad she doesn't realize that she's only reflecting poorly on herself. Why on earth would the Queen remember her?
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:03 AM
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I'd like to bet that with the weekly meetings with the Prime Minister, daily paperwork on national and international matters, HM could leave Ms Church way behind in any discussion on current affairs - or actually any world situation for the last 70 years. The Queen regularly meets world figures and earns their respect with her knowledge and common sense. Charlotte may have "met" HM several times - for a few inconsequential secends each time, but I know whose knowledge I'd rather rely on....
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Old 01-06-2011, 03:58 AM
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Miss Church is a noted entertainer and not just someone the Queen meets in the street. I would expect that she would be briefed on who she is about to meet and on the fact that she has meet that person beforehand. If she then can't remember having met the person, who is regularly in the media, and to whom she has been formally introduced then her staff are failing her or her mind is going.

I wouldn't expect the Queen to remember me but I would expect her to be able to say she remembers someone she has meet 7 times, who is fairly well known within her own country and whom I expect her staff have briefed her about.
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Old 01-06-2011, 04:53 AM
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Whilst I broadly agree with you, IMO Charlotte Church is a D-list celeb, and hardly one that you would expect to catch HMs attention.
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Whilst I broadly agree with you, IMO Charlotte Church is a D-list celeb, and hardly one that you would expect to catch HMs attention.

Obviously she has caught someone's attention if she has met the Queen 7 times - and why would she be meeting the Queen that many times - because she is someone of note - not just a D-list celeb but one who is noted within her own country and is regularly in the media there and one who is sufficiently prominent to be in the Queen's presence 7 times.

Either the Queen's staff is failing to properly brief her or her mind is going if she can't remember someone who is regularly reported upon and who she is meeting 7 times.
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One has to wonder in what context the word "meet" actually means in this context. If Ms. Church had been in receiving lines after command performances, it's not unlikely that HM might remember her face, but not her name; or vice versa. Who knows.

Charlotte Church was charming as a child, but now --- not so much.
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How to Tell When The Queen Is Over You - Weddings, Kate Middleton, Prince Charles, Prince Philip, Prince William, Queen Elizabeth II, The British Royals : People.com

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Old 01-06-2011, 11:56 AM
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My guess would be that HM remembers precisely those she wants to remember (or wants to acknowledge remembering) whereas the list of people performing for her are not necessarily her personal choices, but the selection of those creating the events.
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HM strikes me as a canny woman - after all, her mother was Scottish !!
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Old 01-06-2011, 02:20 PM
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My guess would be that HM remembers precisely those she wants to remember (or wants to acknowledge remembering) whereas the list of people performing for her are not necessarily her personal choices, but the selection of those creating the events.

So you are suggesting that the Queen would be rude enough to not acknowledge meeting someone before, even if she remembered doing so or had been advised 'look at this command performance you have meet xyz before but not abc'. For Miss Church to say that the Queen doesn't remember meeting her would mean that the conversation had gone along those lines and I would expect a properly advised Queen, who hasn't started loosing it, to say something like 'we meet last year didn't we?' even if she actually doesn't remember the meeting she would have been advised about who was who - or so we are told (that she is briefed about everyone that she is about to meet).
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