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Old 12-01-2013, 01:24 AM
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She started the job in October 2012 and left it in June 2013 so we do know how long she worked - 8 months.

She studied History and History of Ideas and then went for a job in finance - which says she didn't think about a job or career before going to uni as the two don't really to together.

She is certainly old enough to have a clear idea of where she is going. My neice is the same age - 25 and her best friend is exactly the same age, born on the same day in 1988. Both have full-time careers and have worked consistently since leaving school along with going to uni - that is the normal thing for ladies I know, along with the partying and building a relationship not working for 8 months and then quitting and doing nothing other than party.
One thing for sure is that we don't know, for a fact, just what Beatrice's mindset is nor what her chief ambition in life really is. Since she met Dave, it very well possibly could be that her dream is to be married and raise a houseful of children. We simply do not know.

The blessing for Beatrice is though that she has the option to pick and choose just what her life will entail whereas the majority of young women of her age do not. Another blessing is to know that no matter what she dreams her life will be like and seek to follow that dream, she knows that its not her job, her money or her prestige that defines her and makes her happy, those are exterior things. Its what makes HER happy that is the most important.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:31 AM
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I think part of the problem for Beatrice is that she grew up believing that she would be doing royal duties as an adult as her father and aunt/uncles have done. This has obviously changed in the last few years with the new 'leaner' British royal family and she has been caught in that transition period.

If you are going to be doing royal duties then it would make sense to do a degree in something that interests you but that you may not be able to get a career in easily eg History and History of Ideas rather than Business for example.

Now that Beatrice faces having to work for a living it would appear she is further behind than her peers in determining her career ambitions and goals but this is understandable - most of us start determining this at 14/15 and choose our studies accordingly. Hopefully she works it out soon or the media will continue with their negative stories.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:47 AM
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The idea of a leaner royal family has been around since at least 1992 - that is since she was 4.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:06 AM
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If her dyslexia affects her ability with maths, why the hell did she take a job in finance?!?
I made it very clear in my post that I was speculating so please do not assume it is a fact. I said it was a possible consideration. I was thinking along the lines of speed of response in a business environment, ie she can do the work but not at the rate required. And I wasnt being specific about Numeracy.

and maybe she discovered that she didnt get any satisfaction from the work.

Moving on..... I noted the wording in the CC about the Yachting event Beatrice attended. It said " Duke of York, with Princess Beatrice......". Maybe she is going to attend appropriate events with him in future.
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If Beatrice truly wanted a job in the private sector, one would be found for her, as it was with Eugenie. She could always do a stint in the Royal Collection or in one of London's many museums, etc.

Instead, it seems obvious to me that she intends to become a working Royal, no matter what the Queen or Charles has to say about it. To that end she is accepting patronages, attending events with other Royals, all in an effort to dig herself in.
Perhaps her reasoning is that once she is established, Charles will not insist on getting rid of her, especially since other senior Royals have health issues and are now phasing out their appearances.

Who knows, Beatrice may succeed.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:14 AM
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Or perhaps she's just trying to be happy and figure out what she really wants to do in life.

No, that couldn't be the case (I say that with the utmost sarcasm).
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Old 12-01-2013, 12:37 PM
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If Beatrice truly wanted a job in the private sector, one would be found for her, as it was with Eugenie. She could always do a stint in the Royal Collection or in one of London's many museums, etc.

Instead, it seems obvious to me that she intends to become a working Royal, no matter what the Queen or Charles has to say about it. To that end she is accepting patronages, attending events with other Royals, all in an effort to dig herself in.
Perhaps her reasoning is that once she is established, Charles will not insist on getting rid of her, especially since other senior Royals have health issues and are now phasing out their appearances.

Who knows, Beatrice may succeed.
If Beatrice wants to be a full time royal, she is going to need money from the Queen and then Uncle Charles who may not want to finance her activities. Andrew doesn't really have the money to fund her.
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If Beatrice wants to be a full time royal, she is going to need money from the Queen and then Uncle Charles who may not want to finance her activities. Andrew doesn't really have the money to fund her.

True, but once she has established herself as the royal patron of so many organizations, Charles may find himself with little choice (he won't want to upset a great many people by showing Beatrice the door. Besides, he won't want to seem selfish or greedy by reserving patronages for his own family).

Time will tell, but my money's on Beatrice.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:22 PM
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True, but once she has established herself as the royal patron of so many organizations, Charles may find himself with little choice (he won't want to upset a great many people by showing Beatrice the door. Besides, he won't want to seem selfish or greedy by reserving patronages for his own family).

Time will tell, but my money's on Beatrice.
If this scenario proves to be true, my money's on Charles. He wouldn't like being manipulated this way by his niece. As far as royal patronages go, I'm not so sure she would work outside the "system". If she's hunting out work for herself this way, I'm sure BP/CH & whoever else is involved will pounce.
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Old 12-01-2013, 03:44 PM
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True, but once she has established herself as the royal patron of so many organizations, Charles may find himself with little choice (he won't want to upset a great many people by showing Beatrice the door. Besides, he won't want to seem selfish or greedy by reserving patronages for his own family).

Time will tell, but my money's on Beatrice.
Of course there is a choice - she carries on doing it under her own auspices and not those of the Court.

But, the "slimmed down" court was a one-off statement made by a PR person in 1992. Not Charles, never repeated.

Also - organisations write and request patronages and they dont always choose the top team.
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Old 12-01-2013, 04:03 PM
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This may very well have been why Sarah was at Balmoral - to discuss what Beatrice's future was within the family as she was no longer working by then.
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I'm guessing that any plans to officially involve Princess Beatrice in public appearances would specify that Sarah keep a low profile. Speaking of which, I haven't seen pictures of Sarah out-and-about lately.
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If she's hunting out work for herself this way, I'm sure BP/CH & whoever else is involved will pounce.
Haven't they, in a sense?
They keep stressing that her events are not official, and they don't appear in the court circular.

But if Beatrice wracks up dozens of patronages, it may prove difficult to dislodge her without Charles coming across as a bully.
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Upper class women and female members of the aristocracy have patronages (actually, so do older males). Hospitals, nurserys. schools, womens groups, supporting local health issues, rural issues, etc etc. That's how it is in the UK.

So she can go on collecting as many patronages as she likes, and the Queen doesn't have to do a thing. It doesn't cost the public purse a penny, she is (hopefully) happy with what she is doing and the patronages get publicity and support.

Making Charles out to be a villain is a nonsense. He doesnt get involved in what she does. The issue is COST, not Beatrice, Eugenie or anyone else personally. That is perceived cost as well as real.

No cost, happy princess, happy patronage - win-win-win.

Get rid of the idea that quantity means she will end working as a fully fledged royal - cos it just doesnt work that way.
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Old 12-01-2013, 06:27 PM
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Of course there is a choice - she carries on doing it under her own auspices and not those of the Court.

But, the "slimmed down" court was a one-off statement made by a PR person in 1992. Not Charles, never repeated.

Also - organisations write and request patronages and they dont always choose the top team.
I agree on all three points. That "PR" person made a statement that has taken on a life all it's own and is now being used as a club to beat Beatrice over the head.

Let's be clear here, none of us know how much money Andrew does or doesn't have nor how much he does or doesn't give each of his daughters. For that matter we don't know if trusts were set up for the the Queen's children or grand children at birth. We don't even know if they want careers but basically they don't have to have one. Most of their contemporaries dabble a little and play a lot yet we don't see inches of invective in the rags about them. No, it's only the York's and at the moment Beatrice is the target.

Poor 'Charles the Mean and Grumpy', is variously portrayed as being either narked or incensed at the mere mention of the House Of York and particularly at Beatrice who's trying to barge her way into royal life. But hang about . . . she is as royal as his kids! It's as if they don't acknowledge that she is the Queen's granddaughter just as Wills and Harry are her grandsons. In that they are equal.

People also assert that Charles loathes all his siblings, Andrew and his daughters in particular. Worse, that he will go to any lengths the 'cast them out of the Kingdom' so to speak. Yet we don't see any evidence of this. In fact, we don't know how well they all get on except that the paps following Harry spotted him spending time with the Yorks on holiday around Andrew's birthday.

We know that both William and Harry socialise with Beatrice and Eugenie in the poshest clubs and have no reason to suspect they did not join them at their after function parties at Clarence House. Even Zara used to, riding permitting, before she married Mike.

Someone mentioned that Beatrice's dyslexia may have made her job too difficult. That too is a possibility, after all, we all know that school is different to the the job. She may have had to reassess her chosen career. But the fact is we don't know and really, is there any reason we should?
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Haven't they, in a sense?
They keep stressing that her events are not official, and they don't appear in the court circular.

But if Beatrice wracks up dozens of patronages, it may prove difficult to dislodge her without Charles coming across as a bully.
The Michaels of Kent have a huge amount of patronages between them and the Queen has bestowed the Grand Cross of the Royal Victorian order on Prince Michael as well as a number of honorary military titles. The Prince has represented both the Queen and Prince Philip over the years as well often accompanied by his wife. YET their engagements STILL don't make the court circular unless they attend an engagement with the Queen at say Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle ie Beatrice can work as hard as she likes but if Charles dosn't want to make her an official working member of the firm he won't. In Prince Michael's case as a younger child of a royal Duke he was never going to be entitled to an official role anyway so it wasn't as though he was being snubbed by the Queen. Indeed bearing this in mind he has done very well in carving out a role for himself in the family which the Queen seems to appreciate. Beatrice on the other hand as the eldest child of a royal Duke could in the past have taken for granted a future as a full time working member of the royal family. That is no longer the case and she can't assume that Uncle Charles will look as favourably on her as her Grandmother has done with her own cousin Michael and thus provide her with a niche within the family. Only time will tell.
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Upper class women and female members of the aristocracy have patronages (actually, so do older males). Hospitals, nurserys. schools, womens groups, supporting local health issues, rural issues, etc etc. That's how it is in the UK.

So she can go on collecting as many patronages as she likes, and the Queen doesn't have to do a thing. It doesn't cost the public purse a penny, she is (hopefully) happy with what she is doing and the patronages get publicity and support.

Making Charles out to be a villain is a nonsense. He doesnt get involved in what she does. The issue is COST, not Beatrice, Eugenie or anyone else personally. That is perceived cost as well as real.

No cost, happy princess, happy patronage - win-win-win.

Get rid of the idea that quantity means she will end working as a fully fledged royal - cos it just doesnt work that way.

Well, you probably understand these things better than I do, because I'm an American. But it seems to me it's an issue of not merely being the patron of some charity, but of being a Royal patron!
I remember reading that Beatrice offered to be patron of the York theater, and they were delighted at having acquired a Royal patron.

So, if such places are able to boast about their Royal patron, will there really be much difference if that patron is Beatrice or Harry?
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You need an appropriate patron (royal or not). Harry has not shown any interest in the theatre. Beatrice has AND is "of York" - great combo. Press love Harry because he is unpredicatable (is that what a royal patron should be?); Beatrice will behave well but might wear another bonkers hat (worth having if hat is auctioned for charity)

Long winded way of saying 6 of one and 2x3's of t'other (as they say in Yorkshire)
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I agree on all three points. That "PR" person made a statement that has taken on a life all it's own and is now being used as a club to beat Beatrice over the head.

Let's be clear here, none of us know how much money Andrew does or doesn't have nor how much he does or doesn't give each of his daughters. For that matter we don't know if trusts were set up for the the Queen's children or grand children at birth. We don't even know if they want careers but basically they don't have to have one. Most of their contemporaries dabble a little and play a lot yet we don't see inches of invective in the rags about them. No, it's only the York's and at the moment Beatrice is the target.

Poor 'Charles the Mean and Grumpy', is variously portrayed as being either narked or incensed at the mere mention of the House Of York and particularly at Beatrice who's trying to barge her way into royal life. But hang about . . . she is as royal as his kids! It's as if they don't acknowledge that she is the Queen's granddaughter just as Wills and Harry are her grandsons. In that they are equal.

People also assert that Charles loathes all his siblings, Andrew and his daughters in particular. Worse, that he will go to any lengths the 'cast them out of the Kingdom' so to speak. Yet we don't see any evidence of this. In fact, we don't know how well they all get on except that the paps following Harry spotted him spending time with the Yorks on holiday around Andrew's birthday.

We know that both William and Harry socialise with Beatrice and Eugenie in the poshest clubs and have no reason to suspect they did not join them at their after function parties at Clarence House. Even Zara used to, riding permitting, before she married Mike.

Someone mentioned that Beatrice's dyslexia may have made her job too difficult. That too is a possibility, after all, we all know that school is different to the the job. She may have had to reassess her chosen career. But the fact is we don't know and really, is there any reason we should?
Well put! This young woman has done nothing to warrant the negative comments from posters on this thread and from the tabloids. She is a granddaughter of the reigning Queen and 6th in line (5th for most of her life) to the throne ... she's not some wannabe trying to weasel her way into the royal family. Leave her alone!
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Seems to me the ever present underlying negativity toward Charles and those who might play it up might be at work here....ooh,big bad Charles wants to squeeze out other family members! After awhile the Windsor start sounding like the Corleones or Sopranos with all the supposed machinations and backbiting going on.
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