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Old 02-09-2006, 08:01 PM
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If the past Prince of Wales' are any indication who they marry, Kate has a good chance of marrying William. Edward and Charles married for love. Charles made the mistake with Lady Diana, but he is happy with Camilla now. I think William and kate are in love and are going slowly with the relationship.:)
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:06 PM
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That is my opinion as well. I don't think William will marry her because she is not of sufficient background and character to bear heirs and become Princess of Wales and Queen Consort.
It's been a while since I posted....but I feel inspired by this post. I really don't have strong feelings either way. But, I have to say that these days background and character are really not all that important. Anybody has a chance really, that is if they can find a prince to fall in love with them.:)

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Old 02-09-2006, 08:08 PM
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But, I have to say that these days background and character are really not all that important
It is to some of us. I don't want some common chavvy trucker's daughter as my Queen.
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:13 PM
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I agree, I don't think William will marry Kate, it's their first love and first loves are great but not all of them last, look at Felipe, Frederik, Haakon they all went to college, travelled a bit and looked around for the right woman. And who knows the pressure might become too great and kate might not want to deal with it. There's no way to fully know if they will get married but a feeling tells me they wont.
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:15 PM
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OMG, lol.

Can you imagine the opening of Parliament BFan? Glittering corncob tiara, shouts of, "HEY Y'ALL, Let's Get 'er Done!"

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Old 02-09-2006, 08:18 PM
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Eeek. Is it too much to ask that he falls in love with a Princess or someone else of reasonable quality? Princess Madeleine of Sweden would be perfect - where's royal cupid when you need him?
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:38 PM
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I don't want some common chavvy trucker's daughter as my Queen.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news- I somehow don't believe William will take your wishes into consideration when choosing a wife!

Don't you think that after the "Diana problem", Clarence House and Buck House will ensure that William's wife is a little better prepared to face public life? And failing this, don't you think William, after what he's seen within his own family, will demand things be different for himself?

If we listen to Williams words (the only true thing we have to speculate upon), it seems unlikely that he will marry any time soon and even less likely that the woman be a European princess- he's said publicly how much he is attracted to and yearns for "normal life". Seems that all of his girlfriends so far have been regular girls next door.

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Old 02-09-2006, 08:41 PM
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Of course he won't. William seems to be hung up on Middleton. It angers me that he tells people to call him William and that he says he wants a normal life. He hasn't got a normal life - he will be a King one day and if he can't do his duty then he should get out now. To be frank, duty must come first. Not only with William, but with Harry, with Beatrice, with Eugenie etc etc. Their duty to this country has to come before their love lives. Thats the way its done.
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Old 02-09-2006, 08:51 PM
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It angers me that he tells people to call him William and that he says he wants a normal life. He hasn't got a normal life - he will be a King one day and if he can't do his duty then he should get out now. To be frank, duty must come first.
Why? Other European royals seem to be able to balance duty with some degree of normalcy. Denmark, and Norway are prime examples. Why must it different for William?

I also don't see why Beatrice and Eugenie are placed on the same level of duty as William and Harry- they are too far down the line of succession and I don't think that's a fair parallel to draw. I think it's a waste of national resources to limit their lives to forced royal duty. As a taxpayer, wouldn't you rather they supported themselves (and had their own lives) instead of your hard-earned dollars?

Other royal families limit the number of royals in the "inner" circle of royal duties. I think this is responsible and fair.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news- I somehow don't believe William will take your wishes into consideration when choosing a wife!

Don't you think that after the "Diana problem", Clarence House and Buck House will ensure that William's wife is a little better prepared to face public life? And failing this, don't you think William, after what he's seen within his own family, will demand things be different for himself?

If we listen to Williams words (the only true thing we have to speculate upon), it seems unlikely that he will marry any time soon and even less likely that the woman be a European princess- he's said publicly how much he is attracted to and yearns for "normal life". Seems that all of his girlfriends so far have been regular girls next door.

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William will never have a normal life when his duty is to become King. That's just the way it goes and he knows that. I am not convinced he would be allowed to marry a true commoner the way his uncle or Fredrik of Denmark did.

The pressure on him from the Household and the Establishment will be to marry an appropriate British aristocrat to ensure the blood royal.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:02 PM
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Why? Other European royals seem to be able to balance duty with some degree of normalcy. Denmark, and Norway are prime examples. Why must it different for William?

I also don't see why Beatrice and Eugenie are placed on the same level of duty as William and Harry- they are too far down the line of succession and I don't think that's a fair parallel to draw. I think it's a waste of national resources to limit their lives to forced royal duty. As a taxpayer, wouldn't you rather they supported themselves (and had their own lives) instead of your hard-earned dollars?

Other royal families limit the number of royals in the "inner" circle of royal duties. I think this is responsible and fair.

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These countries do not have a Sovereign who upholds the fount of honour for an ancient and established peerage. The traditions in Britain are far more numerous and the prestige of the Crown is very important to Parliament for exercising the royal perogative through the Prime Minister. To tarnish the Crown is to diminish the perogative and accelerate the republican movement with a defined Constitution.

It goes very deep in the political establishment of the UK.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:10 PM
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Denmark, and Norway are prime examples. Why must it different for William?

We aren't Denmark or Norway. We expect more of our Monarchs. We want to see our King as a King not as an everyday person. Otherwise what's the point?

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I also don't see why Beatrice and Eugenie are placed on the same level of duty as William and Harry- they are too far down the line of succession and I don't think that's a fair parallel to draw.

Because they are still in the Royal Family and should do their duty.

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I think it's a waste of national resources to limit their lives to forced royal duty. As a taxpayer, wouldn't you rather they supported themselves (and had their own lives) instead of your hard-earned dollars?
No I wouldn't. I pay them to do that duty
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:14 PM
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It's interesting to hear the degrees of passion associated with this topic.

Yes... I hear what you are saying. However.... none of these other countries have a direct heir who is divorced.

The monarchy has worked for a decade on damage control and PR spinning needed for some of Charles' choices (which now have all seemed to work out in a romantic happily-ever-after way). I can't imagine the Monarchy, the British Government and the Church of England is looking forward to repeating this any time soon.

Isn't the crown is more greatly tarnished when an arranged marriage to an aristrocrat ends in divorce than when an heir marries a less well-bred woman?

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Old 02-09-2006, 09:18 PM
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The Monarchy doesn't work on the strength of one person. It works on what it means. It is a uniting force. People might say Princess Anne is rude but you'll never ever hear anyone (apart from republicans) saying a bad word about the Queen. She is just so loved. The Monarchy is about more than William and his wife to be or not to be.

The Queen is the Head of Church, Head of State, the Sovereign - there's almost something divine about her. Her presence is so powerful and passion does run high. We love her. And that love is what keeps the monarchy alive - Charles will get that love too - because he'll be our King. William in time, will get that love. It's automatic. It's an automatic love and deference that we give. But we can't give that to someone who want's to be 'normal'. It wouldn't be proper. And thats the problem William has. If he rejects that love then he rejects the whole principle of monarchy - and thats when it falls.
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Old 02-09-2006, 09:19 PM
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No I wouldn't. I pay them to do that duty
Well, that's your perspective and that's fine.

On the contrary, I know there are a lot of British taxpayers who do not agree.

I'm just not convinced that the random situation of birth should dictate that an individual be a puppet and not a person.

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Old 02-09-2006, 09:22 PM
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The Queen is the Head of Church, Head of State, the Sovereign - there's almost something divine about her. Her presence is so powerful and passion does run high. We love her.
This is the point on which we will agree to disagree.

The Queen is indeed deserving of love and admiration certainly, because of the role she fulfills. On this I agree.

I just can not agree to use the term "divine". She is a human- and after all is said and done, she will still be merely a woman. An important woman yes, but just a woman.

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Old 02-09-2006, 09:24 PM
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And that's what seperates us from other countries. She has an almost divine presence - she is held up above all others. She isn't a woman. She isn't a human. She's our Queen.
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Concerning the Hello poll 'Would you like William and Kate to get married'. I shared my opinion on this subject in responce to an email earlier today, but I would like to do so here as well. I voted NO! My reason is that I see nothing in her character or personality that indicates compassion for others. Some posters have mentioned that WE don't know what she does with her time, well the press is said to 'Follow her everywhere'. They know when she goes sking, shopping for groceries, shopping at Christmas, when she gets on a bus, when she goes out drinking, even when she goes to the dentist, but not One Word about when she helps serve food to the homeless at a shelter, or preparing sack lunches at a local church, NOTHING. I work at a homeless shelter, little children from all over the city have come and offered their time to our clients. The only thing we've seen the future Queen Kate do for the less fortunate is "Take off her clothes and prance in front of a Prince" and many other young men for money. UNTIL I see her priorities change, my personal opinion of Kate will remain unfortunately LOW.
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It amazes me that so many people think William and Kate (and other celebs) are too young to marry. I'm marrying at 23, my fiance is the same age...most of my friends who are the same age are either engaged or married...my parents married at this age, most of my friends and family have married at these ages....I guess I'm a little confused!
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It amazes me that so many people think William and Kate (and other celebs) are too young to marry. I'm marrying at 23, my fiance is the same age...most of my friends who are the same age are either engaged or married...my parents married at this age, most of my friends and family have married at these ages....I guess I'm a little confused!
Yes many of my friends are married or engaged too and im Williams age. However, if they are getting married, Kate is not just becoming Williams wife, but a Princess of the UK and that demands a lot of work and also alot of maturity. So in my opinion, her life will change forever if she marries William and to do it young isn't, for me, isn't ideal. The position that she will have, (a British royal princess) will require maturity and strength, all of which the average person their age might not yet have to its fullest. Of course, they they probably are mature people, but at that age, you cant really be THAT mature to have so much responsibility. Just my opinion :)
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