Prince William Current Events 19: May 2008-May 2009


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The reason he transferred to the air force, I believe, is that he will be able to actually see active duty (but not necessarily in Afghanistan or Iraq) as the SAR are posted to many places.
 
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Yes, and it's dangerous work as well!:)
 
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Well, I think he wants to serve but as future heir to the throne he and to a lesser extent Harry are barred from duty in Afganistian and dangerous places. Harry did serve for awhile until people found out about it, I suppose because he's only third in line. I don't know if William doing full time royal duties instead of being in military training would be more productive or not. They seem equally productive to me. He has years ahead to do royal duties, and he's always had the public's good will since before his mother's death.
 
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ghost_night554 said:
Prince William 'wants join Afghanistan fight' | World News | News.com.au
Prince 'wants to fight in Afghanistan' - World News - World - General - The Canberra Times
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:ROFLMAO: I wonder why I doubt the honesty of these articles, apparently sourced from The News of the World, (there is nothing on their site). Can anyone imagine William talking to a total stranger about anything personal? It is also telling that 'William does not recall this conversation taking place'!

William may hope to be posted as a SARF pilot to Afghanistan, but I think the UK, Cyprus or the Falklands are the most likely.
 
Lamyah said:
every ones in a while we'll read these stories. Why doesn't he get on with his royal responsibilities instead of wasting tax payer's money with training that will never lead him to war? I would love to see him treated like any other soldier in Great Britain serving his country, but since that will never happen, its time for William to realize the public good he had since his mother untimely death might start to deteriorate if he doesn't show his serious work ethic.
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Wondered what in particular you were referring to when you talk about "show his serious work ethic"?
 
IMO, NOTW used some clever deduction, none of which is farfetching based on facts (i.e. William's training and Harry-Chelsy together for a long time). The claims have enough common sense logic that made the story ring true. I just don't believe anyone would have spoken about going to the front line while out partying. Isn't that what the clubs are for, getting away from the serious business of war?
 
I am sure I have heard that before, possible after Harry came back.
The MOD is surely not gunna let the heir to throne go out to afghanistan. I understand he wants to go and fight for his country, but.
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muriel said:
Wondered what in particular you were referring to when you talk about "show his serious work ethic"?
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I'm referring to the fact that until this year, most of William supposed charity/royal work involved sports. Since 2005, whenever he does anything remotely resembling 'work', he'll follow with endless boozing nights or vacations with his equally lazy girlfriend and frat buddies. I believe William has only done about 15 public work in the past 3 years according to both official and media sources. By this age, even his own father have shown serious work ethic.
Iluvbertie said:
The reason he transferred to the air force, I believe, is that he will be able to actually see active duty (but not necessarily in Afghanistan or Iraq) as the SAR are posted to many places.
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Doesn't he have a weak eye sight, which would prevent him from doing any real military work on air. My uncle is in the air force and having 100% vision is key to doing any flying, whether you are based in a war zone or peaceful mission.
 
Lamyah said:
I'm referring to the fact that until this year, most of William supposed charity/royal work involved sports. Since 2005, whenever he does anything remotely resembling 'work', he'll follow with endless boozing nights or vacations with his equally lazy girlfriend and frat buddies. I believe William has only done about 15 public work in the past 3 years according to both official and media sources. By this age, even his own father have shown serious work ethic.
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As you may be aware, Prince William is a member of the armed services, which is a full time commitment. This may explain why he undertakes such few public engagements. Increasingly, I would expect him to increase the number of public engagements he undertakes, and resultantly, his public profile. I have no doubt the decision to limit the number of engagements he undertakes would have been taken in consultation with HM and Prince Charles.

As regards commenting in his work ethic, I belive the only people qualified to do so are either his senior officers, or to a lesser extent, his supporting officers. If you are speaking as one of his senior / fellow officers, then I am sure you have some very valuable perspective to add to this debate, and I would welcome more specific comment from you.

Lamyah said:
Since 2005, whenever he does anything remotely resembling 'work', he'll follow with endless boozing nights or vacations with his equally lazy girlfriend and frat buddies.
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I am sure most people accept that if the Prince chooses to socialise in his own time and expense, then that is entirely his business and nobody else's. So I personally do not believe the comment has any justification.
 
Lamyah said:
Since 2005, whenever he does anything remotely resembling 'work', he'll follow with endless boozing nights or vacations with his equally lazy girlfriend and frat buddies.
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As I recall, William was in school through first half of 2005. After graduation in late June, he did an extensive tour of New Zealannd. Since beginning of 2006, he has been either in military training or posted. Perhaps he needed to squeeze in his public engagements, ie "work" to some people, and his personal down time with family and friends, all within the timeoff from his military assignments. I'm not saying it hasn't crossed my mind that his bursts of charity appearances coincided with fun outings. I do think an argument can be made that his schedule made be inflexible due to his military commitments.

I'm not going to get into the "lazy girlfriend" part. We all have our different opinion on that, which belongs to another thread.:flowers:
 
muriel said:
As regards commenting in his work ethic, I belive the only people qualified to do so are either his senior officers, or to a lesser extent, his supporting officers.
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The people he will one day rule, are also allowed an opinion on what they see as his work ethic. Any officers involved in his training are kept silent by the Official Secrets Act, the views of his co workers are known only to their wives/gitlfriends/husbands/boyfriends.
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I'm not saying it hasn't crossed my mind that his bursts of charity appearances coincided with fun outings
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I wonder if that could be because he is given time off to perform his royal duties and he then also uses said time to seek entertainment? :flowers:
 
Lamyah said:
I'm referring to the fact that until this year, most of William supposed charity/royal work involved sports. I believe William has only done about 15 public work in the past 3 years according to both official and media sources. By this age, even his own father have shown serious work ethic.
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Obviously you hold neither Prince's Charles nor William in any degree of esteem going by the cheap shot about Charles. May I recommend the Prince of Wales thread to elucidate?

However, back to Prince Willam whose charity/royal work you in your ifinite wisdom and knowledge, have decreed is only "Supposed", and, at that, unworthy because it is "sports' related. Could you possibly supply any reports or links to affirm your statement?

As to Charles, at the same age as William having already had significant training in the Services, quite shocking and alarming many of his one day subjects by insisting on jumping out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft in the process!


It is however impossible to equate Charles and Williams situation at the same age. Charles:
  • His Mother, Elizabeth, was already The Queen.
  • Charles himself was the Heir to the throne
  • His younger brother Andrew (second in line to said throne) was in training and later deployed on Active Service with the Royal Navy
Just to reiterate: Prince William's Father is the Heir and his Grandmother, the Queen, is not only alive, but is still as sharp as a tack and as Polically savvy as every Prime Minister in the last 50 years could only dream of.

So, if one is to equate William with any member of the BRF it would in fact be Prince Andrew, Navy Pilot, veteran of the Falklands War, and second in line.

As to how Prince William (or Harry for that matter) spends his "off duty" time so long as it's legal, it's none of our business. In the Military they tend to work hard and play hard. Having said that, both William and Harry have spent a significantly less amount of time in the public view partying since beginning their new training.

I hope they keep striving and winning.
 
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Skydragon said:
The people he will one day rule, are also allowed an opinion on what they see as his work ethic. Any officers involved in his training are kept silent by the Official Secrets Act, the views of his co workers are known only to their wives/gitlfriends/husbands/boyfriends. I wonder if that could be because he is given time off to perform his royal duties and he then also uses said time to seek entertainment? :flowers:
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I think everybody is allowed to hold an opinion on pretty much anything, but only few may be qualified to provide meaningful comment. :)

Skydragon said:
I wonder if that could be because he is given time off to perform his royal duties and he then also uses said time to seek entertainment? :flowers:
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..... in the time after he has performed his royal engagements. Or else, it could well be that he performs royal engagements in his annual leave, and may well socialise at the same time! :flowers:
 
Well, that explains why the article never appeared on the NOTW website. Surely, had the conversation actually taken place, the newspaper wouldn't have retracted the story, right?
 
I would be highly shocked if the issued an apology...it is not common but i would love to post it, if it happens we could all have a good laugh at the press.
 
Skydragon said:
The people he will one day rule, are also allowed an opinion on what they see as his work ethic. Any officers involved in his training are kept silent by the Official Secrets Act, the views of his co workers are known only to their wives/gitlfriends/husbands/boyfriends.

I wonder if that could be because he is given time off to perform his royal duties and he then also uses said time to seek entertainment? :flowers:
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You pretty much summed up what I was going to say, hence I'm less inclined to repeat it and bother responding :flowers:

I find it hysterical thou that only William's officer or senior officials might comment on his lack of work ethic and usual drunken entertainment, while supposedly training within the arm forces. If we were to only take 'official' comments, then there would be no point for royal forums where the public can express their point of views.

MARG said:
Obviously you hold neither Prince's Charles nor William in any degree of esteem going by the cheap shot about Charles. May I recommend the Prince of Wales thread to elucidate?
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High regard is earned, and assumptions often lead to false conclusions. Prince Charles as a public figure performing his royal duty is impeccable, his personal life is a different matter & I could care less to repeat ancient history and beat it up to death.

Now, Prince William like most young royals has yet to earn his stripe in term of the respect and regard his grandmother or father deserves from the tax payers.

MARG said:
However, back to Prince Willam whose charity/royal work you in your ifinite wisdom and knowledge, have decreed is only "Supposed", and, at that, unworthy because it is "sports' related. Could you possibly supply any reports or links to affirm your statement?
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:lol: My infinite wisdome would like to suggest you go through this thread and others, where William's charity outing consists of sports.

MARG said:
So, if one is to equate William with any member of the BRF it would in fact be Prince Andrew, Navy Pilot, veteran of the Falklands War, and second in line.

As to how Prince William (or Harry for that matter) spends his "off duty" time so long as it's legal, it's none of our business. In the Military they tend to work hard and play hard. Having said that, both William and Harry have spent a significantly less amount of time in the public view partying since beginning their new training.

I hope they keep striving and winning.
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sadly, I'll have to disagree, being a titled royal and 3rd in-line to the crown where our tax money are spend on his security and 'military' training, makes his action our business. Going from bar to clubs, taking vacations here and there, while claiming you are a series soldier getting training like every other soldiers shows abuse of ones privilege and place. In this recent case, where he went on a short vacation with his girlfriend, while none of his fellow soldiers could take similar opportunity until the Easter break. Not to mention, when he flew extremely expensive military aircraft, to land it on his girlfriend's backyard as a show off?

We can all give Prince William and Harry the benefit of the doubt, but to go on the usual defense of their actions or lack thereof because of their title and royal privilege shows how the culture of celeb worshiping makes all of us inept followers. Let's agree to disagree, instead of personal attacks and ad hominid point of view.
 
muriel said:
I think everybody is allowed to hold an opinion on pretty much anything, but only few may be qualified to provide meaningful comment.
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Senior Officers receive reports from junior officers, the people who are fully conversant with his work ethic are the men and women he is training with, the same men and women who continued with their training while William took leave. Others as/more qualified could be the ground crews. However if we are talking 'qualified', then very few on this forum are qualified to state that his work ethic is fine or aceptable. :flowers: The Channel 4 programme showed how few royal engagements William was involved with and compared to his father (a full time Naval Officer), he does seem to be lacking.
'Workshy' Prince William attends just 14 official engagements in a year | Mail Online

However in his defence, it might be worth remembering that there were not as many royals in Charles' day to share all the invites around.
 
Lamyah said:
Going from bar to clubs, taking vacations here and there, while claiming you are a series soldier getting training like every other soldiers shows abuse of ones privilege and place.
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I had not realised that serving members of the armed forces were not allowed to socialise, or take vacations when they are not on duty. Are you actually suggesting that as long as William is in the military, he not take vacation, or socialise?

Lamyah said:
I find it hysterical thou that only William's officer or senior officials might comment on his lack of work ethic and usual drunken entertainment, while supposedly training within the arm forces.
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I sincerely hope you have recovered from your hysteria. :)

How would you feel qualified to comment on his work as a serving member of the military, when (I am assuming) you are not familiar with how he may be performing? Alternately, have you been present at his public engagements, or has he carried out any engagements for any causes (eg Centrepoint) that you are closely involved in, and therefore, have first hand knowledge of how effective he was in the role?

Skydragon said:
Senior Officers receive reports from junior officers, the people who are fully conversant with his work ethic are the men and women he is training with, the same men and women who continued with their training while William took leave. Others as/more qualified could be the ground crews. However if we are talking 'qualified', then very few on this forum are qualified to state that his work ethic is fine or aceptable. :flowers:
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This is exactly the point I was making in post 451. The only people qualified to comment on William's "work ethic",IMO, are his senior officers or his peers, ie people he works/trains with. None of us on the forums, unless we have worked with him, can really comment on this. We may comment on whether we think he is doing enough or not based on the limited information we have, but little more than that, IMO.


Skydragon said:
The Channel 4 programme showed how few royal engagements William was involved with and compared to his father (a full time Naval Officer), he does seem to be lacking.
'Workshy' Prince William attends just 14 official engagements in a year | Mail Online

However in his defence, it might be worth remembering that there were not as many royals in Charles' day to share all the invites around.
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There is no doubt that William probably need to do more engagements.I don't think this necessarily stems from his being work shy, but I suspect this was a conscience decisoon taken by CH / BP to gently "break him in" as there are qyuite a few other royals at the moment. Also, it may have to do with trying to further establish Camilla as a senior royal before the spot light shifts to William.
 
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muriel said:
This is exactly the point I was making in post 451. The only people qualified to comment on William's "work ethic",IMO, are his senior officers or his peers, ie people he works/trains with. None of us on the forums, unless we have worked with him, can really comment on this. We may comment on whether we think he is doing enough or not based on the limited information we have, but little more than that, IMO.
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In the same way that nobody then can defend his work ethic, all anyone can do is comment on what they have seen, heard or read.
 
Skydragon said:
In the same way that nobody then can defend his work ethic, all anyone can do is comment on what they have seen, heard or read.
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Absolutely!
 
Ella Kay said:
Well, that explains why the article never appeared on the NOTW website. Surely, had the conversation actually taken place, the newspaper wouldn't have retracted the story, right?
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Yeah, that story was just too good to be true. Obviously he doesn't talk to the press even inadvertently, but the paper wanted to sell copies, as usual. Interestingly, even in this supposed '' interview'' though the paper didn't say he had said anything about his possibly marrying Kate Middleton, they said he said wait and see. So they knew they couldn't put words in his mouth with regards to that or people would find the story dubious.
 
Prince William has reportedly damaged an aircraft during his RAF training but the Ministry of Defence was keen to play down the seriousness of the incident.

Prince William 'damages plane' during RAF training - Telegraph
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Misleading headline, the plane was NOT damaged, it was checked/serviced earlier than scheduled, I understand.
Prince William grounded a £1million RAF aircraft - He's not the only one, we've had two or three. Better pilots than him have done it.' He added that the mistake could have happened because there were two pilots in the aircraft.
Mr Watts added: 'If one thinks the engine is off and the other does not think he has switched it off, he can switch it back on.
'These mistakes are known as "finger trouble"

The checks revealed no damage to the aircraft.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...flicking-wrong-switch-overcooking-engine.html
 
Skydragon said:

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Misleading headline, the plane was NOT damaged, it was checked/serviced earlier than scheduled, I understand.
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Is it normal to service a plane earlier than schedule without any special reason?
 
Menarue said:
Is it normal to service a plane earlier than schedule without any special reason?
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Unfortunately yes. Trainee pilots get into all sorts of scrapes, because they are trainees. :flowers:
 
It sounds as though what gets the scrapes is the plane. :lol:
 
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