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Old 01-06-2008, 01:05 PM
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It doesn't matter how much he mixes with all different people...because he'll never be just like any other civilian. Royal families aren't much different than celebrities to me, especially a family as high profile as England's...I can understand the image reasons for some decisions. But he isn't exactly inviting any of his new service friends into his inner circle...at least not the under-privileged ones.

If he becomes King it will be his government, right? Why not spend time learning more about it, learn more about foreign relations, policies, etc...travel more...

Afterall his brother seems to be focusing a lot on the armed services...splitting duties could benefit them both, IMO...
May I correct you, nicely.... It is the UK not just England.

It doesn't matter whether he invites them into his inner circle, he has met them, spoken to them, listened to them on a regular basis. Although it should never be presumed that because someone is under privileged, they do not have powerful friends. We know one who is a refuse collector!

If he becomes King, he will have no say in what the government says or does, he will be expected to keep any opinions to himself.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:19 PM
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May I correct you, nicely.... It is the UK not just England.

It doesn't matter whether he invites them into his inner circle, he has met them, spoken to them, listened to them on a regular basis. Although it should never be presumed that because someone is under privileged, they do not have powerful friends. We know one who is a refuse collector!

If he becomes King, he will have no say in what the government says or does, he will be expected to keep any opinions to himself.
Well that's unfortunate...and it kind of just makes the royal family look like some kind of decoration. Hopefully as the times change and by the time he reaches that position, he will feel compelled to be more than what's expected.

And I get what you mean about the inner circle but it still comes off like it's all for show. Like...Look at me, I can talk to "real" people and understand them and their needs.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:27 PM
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Like...Look at me, I can talk to "real" people and understand them and their needs.
Can you do it as well as The Queen, or...... for that matter, as well as Diana did? Without judging? Can you do it for a thousand people in a single day? How well would just anyone go out and meet 100 veterans' families and talk to them and make them feel like they are the most special people in the crowd, and do this for each and every single one of them? I find it sad that the common public underestimates the skill necessary to be a modern royal.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:32 PM
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I will say that I learned a fair few social interactivity skills by watching the Queen but sadly people seem to pick up on it. For example, I always do the word tennis HM does;

Queen : And what do you do?
Peasant : I wash carrots
Queen : Carrots. How fascinating. And have you been doing that for a long time?
Peasant : Yes about 500 years
Queen : 500 years? Well that it is impressive

And it does work and it makes people feel like you're interested but twice I've been told "God you're like the Queen with your questions". So maybe it's a strictly royal thing.
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Old 01-06-2008, 01:35 PM
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^ I know just what you mean. The Queen has mastered the skill of asking people questions about their work, their lives, their experiences. And she puts on the brilliant show (if it is even a show) of listening rapturously. But I must be fair! Diana did it too! Charles does it! Camilla does it! All these people were/are brilliant at this skill. And they do it many times a day, with many people, maybe sometimes 100 people. That is a special skill and it must be learned. I think one learns it from experience and from watching others do it.
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Old 01-06-2008, 02:34 PM
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Can you do it as well as The Queen, or...... for that matter, as well as Diana did? Without judging? Can you do it for a thousand people in a single day? How well would just anyone go out and meet 100 veterans' families and talk to them and make them feel like they are the most special people in the crowd, and do this for each and every single one of them? I find it sad that the common public underestimates the skill necessary to be a modern royal.
I think if I was a royal...I would have a hard time with it. Being honest, that is a very isolated bubble to live in and while they may do it convincingly like you said...it is what it is...it's duty.

With William, he could hang with a typical guy in the service from a working class background. But that guy is not going to be invited into private clubs for late night fun with the privileged people he hangs with.
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:13 PM
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I think if I was a royal...I would have a hard time with it. Being honest, that is a very isolated bubble to live in and while they may do it convincingly like you said...it is what it is...it's duty.
Probably so. I still think it is arguably the most admirable feature of royal duty. I often think it would be ideal if I could emulate that feature in my daily life, and sometimes I manage to do it, yet other times I forget, or I become careless or selfish, or whatever. It doesn't really even matter if the royals just do it for show or not. They do it, and it has the double advantage of making their visitors feel special and enhancing their own (the royals') understanding, i.e. about carrots. The carrot example is silly, but you can apply it to anything. I think the royal duty aspect of William's life can be viewed as a burden, yes, but also can be viewed as a unique advantage. Yes, he has a private life with his privileged set of people. He also has a public life where he is being exposed to other varieties. His is a highly compartmentalized life, typical for a royal, although I understand many people in all walks of life have this kind of compartmentalization as well. There is nothing wrong with that. I actually admire people who compartmentalize their lives, especially if they do it well.
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Old 01-06-2008, 04:14 PM
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I think if I was a Royal, I'd be a Princess Margaret type; "I'm not interested in your phonetic language programme for abandoned smurfs now fetch me a Gordons".
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Old 01-06-2008, 06:59 PM
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BeatrixFan, that is so funny. However, if any of the Royals were reported to the meda saying that now, imagine the fuss. Still, all in all, Margaret's children turned out fine, which gives her mega points for me. I really don't think I would like her as a person, though.

I think William will turn out fine. He shows a willingness to go uncomfortable places, which I greatly admire. I don't think you can really start to judge him with regards to Royal duties until he gets out of the Armed Services and is about a year into his public duties.
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^ I know just what you mean. The Queen has mastered the skill of asking people questions about their work, their lives, their experiences. And she puts on the brilliant show (if it is even a show) of listening rapturously. But I must be fair! Diana did it too! Charles does it! Camilla does it! All these people were/are brilliant at this skill. And they do it many times a day, with many people, maybe sometimes 100 people. That is a special skill and it must be learned. I think one learns it from experience and from watching others do it.
I disagree. I think they are actually interested. It is probably their only real entertainment at that moment. They seem like they are interested in other people's lives, kinda of like how people like to gossip..
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:47 AM
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Prince William has started his training with the RAF by learning to do 'loop the loops' in a light aircraft.
The Prince is on a four-month attachment with the RAF as he prepares for his future as head of the Armed Forces.

ITN - Prince starts 'loop the loop' training
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Old 01-07-2008, 09:18 AM
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I think if I was a Royal, I'd be a Princess Margaret type; "I'm not interested in your phonetic language programme for abandoned smurfs now fetch me a Gordons".
I think I can understand her. She had been brought up as a princess, experience life as a working Royal and suddenly her father died and she was relegated to the Dower House without a proper job anymore.

Why should she have gone one pretending she was interested in these people when nobody was interested in her being interested? I got the impression her sister was quite happy with Margaret as she was and so it was okay for her to be honest about it. Cheers!
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:06 PM
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Interesting Article, Cool Uniform. So has he already flown on his first day wow How come we werent told about him pasing His Test like in The Army
I Just found out yesterday when he passed RCB We were told months in advance.
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Old 01-07-2008, 01:31 PM
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Don't learner pilots get to do the figure-8 thing? I am reminded of a story about Prince Charles, told by Anthony Holden, in the mid-70s just after Charles gained his RAF wings. He was supposed to land his plane in front of a crowd of officers and press corps. But instead, he did a few touch-and-go's before the final landing. Being already worried about his safety, the officers were freaking out. But Charles was just giving them what they deserved.

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Gotta admitt.Wil looks cute with that little hat on.YUMMMY
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New pics of william flying airplane
Great photos! But note that that "William flying airplane" is not entirely correct.

Firstly, he is Prince William, and not just "William".

Second, on a more technical note (and was corrected by a pilot) that the flying machine is an aircraft, not airplane.

Thirdly, and most importantly, the first flying lesson would have the flying instructor take off and land, and somewhere in the air, teach Prince William to take and return control, and to use the steering column to learn to fly steadily in mid air. So he is only flying for the part of the lesson.

Later on he will be taught how to take off, and land, and progress to confident flying without prompting from the instructor. Then he will be ready to take off, fly, and and land solo in the Tutor aircraft (single engined aircraft).
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Old 01-07-2008, 07:33 PM
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Kevin, are you also going to start "correcting" the forum moderators and admins when we refer to "William"? I'm not seeing anywhere in the rules where formal forms of address are required, just that royals (and others) not be referred to in insulting terms.

As for airplane - we do have some Americans here at TRF, you know.
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