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Old 09-27-2006, 12:42 PM
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There were roumers about Prince Harry getting the Sword of Honour and he did not. What do you all think aout this ? SkyDragon what is what with this roumer?
Anything is possible, but as kpusa1981 said, we had the same rumours with Harry. Personally I don't think, from what I have see, that he would deserve it. Although he got a marksman badge, I don't think he is half the soldier that Harry is.
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Old 09-28-2006, 03:49 PM
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Anything is possible, but as kpusa1981 said, we had the same rumours with Harry. Personally I don't think, from what I have see, that he would deserve it. Although he got a marksman badge, I don't think he is half the soldier that Harry is.
What do you mean from what you have seen he wouldn't deserve the Sword of Honour?
What qulifies an officer cadet for it?
sorry if I have spelling mistakes.
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Old 09-28-2006, 04:30 PM
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Remember, this is apparantly a future King so he'll probably get the Sword of Honour for the sake of having it.
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:00 AM
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What do you mean from what you have seen he wouldn't deserve the Sword of Honour?
What qulifies an officer cadet for it?
sorry if I have spelling mistakes.
I shouldn't worry too much about your spelling, the British/English spelling is 'qualifies'.

Some of the normal criteria for judging who gets the sword of honour are little things like attendance, excellence in all aspects of the training, an ability to inspire and lead your fellow cadets, a commitment 'over and beyond' what you are told to do, the ability to 'think on your feet', natural leadership qualities and, of course, being properly attired and looking smart at all times. Even off duty behavior is taken into account.
I hope it is judged fairly, IMO, he has had a lot of time off for polo, a couple of charity events and he has been seen drinking till all hours.
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:47 AM
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I shouldn't worry too much about your spelling, the British/English spelling is 'qualifies'.

Some of the normal criteria for judging who gets the sword of honour are little things like attendance, excellence in all aspects of the training, an ability to inspire and lead your fellow cadets, a commitment 'over and beyond' what you are told to do, the ability to 'think on your feet', natural leadership qualities and, of course, being properly attired and looking smart at all times. Even off duty behavior is taken into account.
I hope it is judged fairly, IMO, he has had a lot of time off for polo, a couple of charity events and he has been seen drinking till all hours.
But isn't it tradition that the future king, who in former times would have been the absolute commander of all troups should be an officer worth his position? I mean, it's okay that it's an inherited position and that the reality isn't always so, but shouldn't at least the image be upheld that he is? For the sake of the monarchy?

Isn't there an old tradition in the armed forces as well that you have to obey an order under any circumstances while you are of course nowadays entitled to complain later (here in Germany you have to sleep one night at least before you are allowed to file a complain)?

I mean, for me it would make sense to award this Sword of Honour to William because he is who he is in order to keep the idea of the military intact - no matter if he deserves it or not.

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Old 09-29-2006, 02:42 PM
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Here in the UK forces, there is always a marked difference between officers and ordinary ranks. They always say Officers and their Ladies, men and their wives. Soldiers have to obey an order, whether they agree with it or not, if they want to complain afterwards, they complain to their immediate superior who may choose not to take it forward, life can be made so intolerable for a 'troublemaker', that they give up the complaint.

Whether William gets the sword or not, should be based solely on his capabilty to lead his men, to inspire them, to make the right decisions for them, to give orders that will not be questioned because everyone believes the only reason he got the SoH, was only because he is Prince William.

To award it to William based on who he is, could deprive someone who has worked really hard, who has given his all and cause lasting resentment among the very officers that William may someday rely on if he becomes Head of all the British armed forces.
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:59 PM
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I shouldn't worry too much about your spelling, the British/English spelling is 'qualifies'.

Some of the normal criteria for judging who gets the sword of honour are little things like attendance, excellence in all aspects of the training, an ability to inspire and lead your fellow cadets, a commitment 'over and beyond' what you are told to do, the ability to 'think on your feet', natural leadership qualities and, of course, being properly attired and looking smart at all times. Even off duty behavior is taken into account.
I hope it is judged fairly, IMO, he has had a lot of time off for polo, a couple of charity events and he has been seen drinking till all hours.
Well Skydragon,

Judging by your (intelligent as usual) comments , Prince William actually qualifies for some of the criteria and he doesn't qualify for others. He may be good at thinking on his feet and leading and inspiring his men;
we've been told by the media, etc. that he is currently excelling in both the academic and the physical training, but it's obvious that he doesn't always qualify for the 'being properly attired and looking smart at all times' portion of the criteria!!
Nor would he want anyone to look too closely at his 'off duty behaviour'. In all seriousness, I do hope that Prince William continues to work hard and actually manages to meet all requirements for the Sword of Honour. I actually believe he wouldn't want the award if he didn't earn it.
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Just a random thought, I wonder if he uses cleansing cream to remove the camouflage?
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Just a random thought, I wonder if he uses cleansing cream to remove the camouflage?
Be glad if he doesn't get used to using make-up...
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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
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Old 09-29-2006, 10:01 PM
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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
I think we know where those odds are pulled out from, yes?
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:56 AM
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Boring...

I will only be sure with the official announcements

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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
It seems that his army career has already ben mapped out for William and I don't believe that the RF is going to risk another "army wife" problem like the one of Sarah and Andrew, especially not with the wife of the future Prince of Wales. Thus, William won't get married till he finishes his army career.

Could be of course that he does not want to do the military years and marrying could be a way to avoid part of it. Then, we'll see him married before that but retired for a career as a papa from it. I guess the British would accept that choice more eagerly than him just "selling his commission".
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Soldiers have to obey an order, whether they agree with it or not, if they want to complain afterwards, they complain to their immediate superior who may choose not to take it forward,
Hi skydragon,

When you refer to soldiers here, are you just referring to enlisted men? I think it would be very unusual if officers had the liberty of disobeying an order from a higher ranked officer.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:41 PM
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Prince William's potato test...

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Old 10-02-2006, 04:45 PM
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Truth behind the Prince William and baby picture..

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This is truly shocking, i feel sad reading some like this and the worst part is because this situation happens all the time with many women.
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Hi skydragon,

When you refer to soldiers here, are you just referring to enlisted men? I think it would be very unusual if officers had the liberty of disobeying an order from a higher ranked officer.
Officers have been known to disobey orders and if they can't be 'encouraged' to back down, they are moved sideways or suffer a CM. They too have to follow the chain of command, it is very difficult for the officer as the forces, for officers, is like a gentlemans club, friends are soon very hard to find.
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Officers have been known to disobey orders and if they can't be 'encouraged' to back down, they are moved sideways or suffer a CM. They too have to follow the chain of command, it is very difficult for the officer as the forces, for officers, is like a gentlemans club, friends are soon very hard to find.
Nevertheless, there are illegal orders. Common sense has to prevail as in the theatre of war obeying an illegal order can result in nasty little 'War Crimes' tribunals!
Just obeying orders is no excuse. The Geneva Convention set the rules. Nuremberg, and the Court of the Hague continue to hold individual Officers responsible.

A leader of men is born not created. He is tempered by his military training but will exemplify those traits that will make his men follow him into hell (much to the chagrin of many of his superiors). It is earned and cannot be ordered or demanded.

It is unfortunate that most 'heroic' leaders are less than appreciated in a peace-time military. (TE Lawrence in North Africa, David Stirling's creation of the SAS also in WWII and a couple of very colorful caracters in these present theatres of war). More often than not they are radical thinkers, intensely patriotic and larger than life.

Whilst Prince William is born to be King, he will have to earn the 'Sword of Honour'. The men of the military, at their best, serve "For God, For Queen and For Country", not young princelings. Anything less would dishonour the very traditions that make the Army what it is and must be. It is a lifestyle choice, not a hobby.
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Nevertheless, there are illegal orders. Common sense has to prevail as in the theatre of war obeying an illegal order can result in nasty little 'War Crimes' tribunals!
A leader of men is born not created. He is tempered by his military training but will exemplify those traits that will make his men follow him into hell (much to the chagrin of many of his superiors). It is earned and cannot be ordered or demanded.....
...... Whilst Prince William is born to be King, he will have to earn the 'Sword of Honour'. The men of the military, at their best, serve "For God, For Queen and For Country", not young princelings. Anything less would dishonour the very traditions that make the Army what it is and must be. It is a lifestyle choice, not a hobby.
Very well put, I agree 100%. In my defence I would say that I was only answering ysbels' question and had presumed it was a justified and legal order from a reasonably sane C.O.
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