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Old 09-29-2006, 04:37 PM
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Just a random thought, I wonder if he uses cleansing cream to remove the camouflage?
Be glad if he doesn't get used to using make-up...
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:02 PM
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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
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Old 09-29-2006, 11:01 PM
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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
I think we know where those odds are pulled out from, yes?
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Old 09-30-2006, 10:56 AM
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Boring...

I will only be sure with the official announcements

rumors sux
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Old 09-30-2006, 11:42 AM
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British bookmaker slashes odd on Prince William proposing to Kate???

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/060929/af...948people.html
It seems that his army career has already ben mapped out for William and I don't believe that the RF is going to risk another "army wife" problem like the one of Sarah and Andrew, especially not with the wife of the future Prince of Wales. Thus, William won't get married till he finishes his army career.

Could be of course that he does not want to do the military years and marrying could be a way to avoid part of it. Then, we'll see him married before that but retired for a career as a papa from it. I guess the British would accept that choice more eagerly than him just "selling his commission".
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Old 10-01-2006, 09:12 PM
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Soldiers have to obey an order, whether they agree with it or not, if they want to complain afterwards, they complain to their immediate superior who may choose not to take it forward,
Hi skydragon,

When you refer to soldiers here, are you just referring to enlisted men? I think it would be very unusual if officers had the liberty of disobeying an order from a higher ranked officer.
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Old 10-02-2006, 01:41 PM
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Prince William's potato test...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006450576,00.html

Truth behind the Prince William and baby picture..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...rticle_id=1770
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Old 10-02-2006, 08:05 PM
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This is truly shocking, i feel sad reading some like this and the worst part is because this situation happens all the time with many women.
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:15 AM
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Hi skydragon,

When you refer to soldiers here, are you just referring to enlisted men? I think it would be very unusual if officers had the liberty of disobeying an order from a higher ranked officer.
Officers have been known to disobey orders and if they can't be 'encouraged' to back down, they are moved sideways or suffer a CM. They too have to follow the chain of command, it is very difficult for the officer as the forces, for officers, is like a gentlemans club, friends are soon very hard to find.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:03 AM
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Officers have been known to disobey orders and if they can't be 'encouraged' to back down, they are moved sideways or suffer a CM. They too have to follow the chain of command, it is very difficult for the officer as the forces, for officers, is like a gentlemans club, friends are soon very hard to find.
Nevertheless, there are illegal orders. Common sense has to prevail as in the theatre of war obeying an illegal order can result in nasty little 'War Crimes' tribunals!
Just obeying orders is no excuse. The Geneva Convention set the rules. Nuremberg, and the Court of the Hague continue to hold individual Officers responsible.

A leader of men is born not created. He is tempered by his military training but will exemplify those traits that will make his men follow him into hell (much to the chagrin of many of his superiors). It is earned and cannot be ordered or demanded.

It is unfortunate that most 'heroic' leaders are less than appreciated in a peace-time military. (TE Lawrence in North Africa, David Stirling's creation of the SAS also in WWII and a couple of very colorful caracters in these present theatres of war). More often than not they are radical thinkers, intensely patriotic and larger than life.

Whilst Prince William is born to be King, he will have to earn the 'Sword of Honour'. The men of the military, at their best, serve "For God, For Queen and For Country", not young princelings. Anything less would dishonour the very traditions that make the Army what it is and must be. It is a lifestyle choice, not a hobby.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:11 AM
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Nevertheless, there are illegal orders. Common sense has to prevail as in the theatre of war obeying an illegal order can result in nasty little 'War Crimes' tribunals!
A leader of men is born not created. He is tempered by his military training but will exemplify those traits that will make his men follow him into hell (much to the chagrin of many of his superiors). It is earned and cannot be ordered or demanded.....
...... Whilst Prince William is born to be King, he will have to earn the 'Sword of Honour'. The men of the military, at their best, serve "For God, For Queen and For Country", not young princelings. Anything less would dishonour the very traditions that make the Army what it is and must be. It is a lifestyle choice, not a hobby.
Very well put, I agree 100%. In my defence I would say that I was only answering ysbels' question and had presumed it was a justified and legal order from a reasonably sane C.O.
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Old 10-03-2006, 08:23 AM
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Very well put, I agree 100%. In my defence I would say that I was only answering ysbels' question and had presumed it was a justified and legal order from a reasonably sane C.O.
Understand completely. We colonials tend to charge off on a tangent from time to time. (In need of the written equivilent of a smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper).:w00t2:
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Old 10-03-2006, 10:51 AM
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Understand completely. We colonials tend to charge off on a tangent from time to time. (In need of the written equivilent of a smack on the nose with a rolled up newspaper).:w00t2:

I wasn't telling you off! . Your reply is hilarious though. On a serious note

Wills goes Walkabout

Prince William enjoyed a night out in Reading at the weekend – but missed some of the sexiest sights the town has to offer.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/200...goes_walkabout
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Old 10-03-2006, 03:57 PM
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Pictures taken of William on an army training exercise 25th September 2006 - Wireimage.

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Old 10-03-2006, 04:32 PM
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Officers have been known to disobey orders and if they can't be 'encouraged' to back down, they are moved sideways or suffer a CM. They too have to follow the chain of command, it is very difficult for the officer as the forces, for officers, is like a gentlemans club, friends are soon very hard to find.

When William finishes and becomes a Coronet or whatever he becomes, will he necessarily outrank his fellow soldiers because of his position and then thus can disobey an order by his ranking CO? Anyone know this answer?


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Nevertheless, there are illegal orders. Common sense has to prevail as in the theatre of war obeying an illegal order can result in nasty little 'War Crimes' tribunals!
Just obeying orders is no excuse. The Geneva Convention set the rules. Nuremberg, and the Court of the Hague continue to hold individual Officers responsible.

A leader of men is born not created. He is tempered by his military training but will exemplify those traits that will make his men follow him into hell (much to the chagrin of many of his superiors). It is earned and cannot be ordered or demanded.

It is unfortunate that most 'heroic' leaders are less than appreciated in a peace-time military. (TE Lawrence in North Africa, David Stirling's creation of the SAS also in WWII and a couple of very colorful caracters in these present theatres of war). More often than not they are radical thinkers, intensely patriotic and larger than life.

Whilst Prince William is born to be King, he will have to earn the 'Sword of Honour'. The men of the military, at their best, serve "For God, For Queen and For Country", not young princelings. Anything less would dishonour the very traditions that make the Army what it is and must be. It is a lifestyle choice, not a hobby.

Very well spoken, Marge. I totally agree with you. There are many who would want him to be handed the sword and respect without earning it and that creates resentment especially amongst soldiers that really deserve it. However, I will still be looking for favoritism if he should be awarded it because there were also soldiers within his troop that may have worked extra hard with longer hours, while William whiled away with our favorite redhead in some bar. In addition, those other soldiers may have behaved in such a way to bring respect and honour to the uniform while in their off hours or breaks.

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Wills goes Walkabout

Prince William enjoyed a night out in Reading at the weekend – but missed some of the sexiest sights the town has to offer.

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/200...goes_walkabout

It may not be any importance, but newspapers using stock photos with stories do not get my respect. It's obvious that this picture of Wills was taken on the day he reported to Sandhurst for training. Just thought I'd point that out, well..... because I had nothing else to say about it.
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Old 10-03-2006, 06:31 PM
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When William finishes and becomes a Coronet or whatever he becomes, will he necessarily outrank his fellow soldiers because of his position and then thus can disobey an order by his ranking CO? Anyone know this answer?
No he won't outrank other officers of the same rank at any time just because of who he is, although if he was staying for 3 years or more, he would be given more responsibility than someone who has only just passed out, if he is seen as a good officer. He also can't disobey an order from any senior rank because of who he is and who he may one day be, Charles and Andrew had to obey orders.

I think a lot people will think, if he gets the SoH, that it is only because of who he is. I stand by the post I put a few days ago - "To award it to William based on who he is, could deprive someone who has worked really hard, who has given his all and cause lasting resentment among the very officers that William may someday rely on if he becomes Head of all the British armed forces".
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Old 10-03-2006, 07:04 PM
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Very well put, I agree 100%. In my defence I would say that I was only answering ysbels' question and had presumed it was a justified and legal order from a reasonably sane C.O.
Oh dear me, you mean I was guilty of taking the thread off tangent?

Thanks for the answer skydragon. :)

We have a lot of situations where I work where a group of equally qualified persons are in competition for something, either a job, a promotion, or an award. The means of choosing the one out of the many is not scientific at best. I think what would be interesting would be if William were in a group of equally suited candidates. What would happen then? If he did get the sword, it could smack of favoritism but if he didn't, I wonder if it would smack of reverse prejudice.

Probably not an enviable situation for the selecting committee.
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Old 10-03-2006, 11:33 PM
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....I think what would be interesting would be if William were in a group of equally suited candidates. What would happen then? If he did get the sword, it could smack of favoritism but if he didn't, I wonder if it would smack of reverse prejudice.

Probably not an enviable situation for the selecting committee.

The situation you speak of also happens in hiring situations as well. I also wouldn't want to be on the selecting committee as there may be others on the committee who may want to lean one way or the other because of their own agenda thus creating pressure on my vote to vote a certain way.
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Wills goes to bingo

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it's prince william goes Bingo Night.. Did he win?????

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