Prince William and Kate Middleton current events 7: November 2008 to October 2009

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

such appearances are harmful for kate's image because the public will see the bra pictures and think ok she's no better than lily allen etc all these pseudo-celebrities who like flashing off their underwear on a night out to ensure they'll make headlines the next day.

Most of the British public might think, OMG, they haven't learned a thing from Diana's death. I can't see why you are as incensed as you appear to be about the flash of a bikini type top (also called a bra) under a dress, then again I can remember how horrified the oldies were when the 4 inches above the knee hemline first appeared! If she really wanted press attention, there are a great many other ways she could go about it, streaking perhaps!

[Idriel]

Originally Posted by Skydragon

Most of the British public might think, OMG, they haven't learned a thing from Diana's death.

I particularly dislike how gratuitously Diana's name is thrown around in these situations. The girl was hardly in a situation of distress.

I can't see why you are as incensed as you appear to be about the flash of a bikini type top (also called a bra) under a dress

I don't think this is a particularly important or harmful issue (the flesh colored bra was actually the least vulgar thing about her outfit) but it is non-the-less slightly embarrassing (I'm afraid bikinis as city-wear hasn't caught on just yet in polite circles) and completely avoidable: as Boris pointed out, she has a coat, she can close it, end of the problem.

If she really wanted press attention, there are a great many other ways she could go about it

I would think when those royals and their hanger-ons show up at these Paparrazzi infested drinking holes, it's a plea for attention in and of itself.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Idriel

I particularly dislike how gratuitously Diana's name is thrown around in these situations. The girl was hardly in a situation of distress.

Of course you do! However 99.9% of the time that Diana was being pursued, she also was not in a distressing situation.

(I'm afraid bikinis as city-wear hasn't caught on just yet in polite circles)

Really, have you visited London recently where the cut off top or visible lacy undergarment is perfectly acceptable, even in 'polite circles'?

as Boris pointed out, she has a coat, she can close it, end of the problem.

She probably also possesses a paper bag, perhaps she should use that to avoid upsetting the 'apparent' puritans on this forum!

I would think when those royals and their hanger-ons show up at these Paparrazzi infested drinking holes, it's a plea for attention in and of itself.

MEOW Or they are just trying to have some normality in their lives and enjoy their friends company, which clearly brings out the green eyed monster in some!

[Menarue]

The description of the nightclub frequenters made me think of a silly Christmas email I just received that said that Santa does have some little helpers, one is called Visa and the other is called Mastercard....
I would never be jealous of these people, even when I was as young as they are I wasn´t amused by smoke and drink filled places full of people wanting their photograph in the papers. Not that long ago I remarked that I had seen the sister of a very well-known woman acquaintance in "Hello" and she was very annoyed and said she would give her a talking to. Different attitudes that´s all. Prince William can do anything he likes and he will still be HRH Prince William with sycophants applauding, any other person could get a bad reputation.

[shakhim]

kate is very well educated and very polite .

[Boris]

The determination, seriousness and effort put by some posters here into the insistence on not calling a slight wardrobe malfunction by its name is so funny...

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

they don't since in the public view kate middleton has arrived on the level of b or c celebs, wags, attention seekers, social climbers or professional party attendees who go to the clubs and flash their underwear on a daily basis to make it into the papers.

If you have a view that Kate is a "b or c celebs", thats fine - but you must have some basis to suggest that the public think along the lines you do?

[Idriel]

Originally Posted by Boris

The determination, seriousness and effort put by some posters here into the insistence on not calling a slight wardrobe malfunction by its name is so funny...

Seriously! And I will leave it there.

Muriel, I will take up your offer and agree to disagree. I think the subject is a bit too silly to be discussed at such length (and I am guilty as charged).

But I will say I always appreciate how courteous and unpatronising you are when disagreeing with anyone.

[Josefine]

is there any public polls about how the british people Feel about kate.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Idriel

You are right. I suppose I am projecting my own tastes on them: I would rather have a house party than be caught dead in these clubs (there are amazing clubs in London that have outstanding music and are not besieged by paps).

Different tastes clearly.

You definition of puritanism is most interesting.

Buttoned up coat, dresses/ tops with a very high neckline, never showing a knee or ankle, then follows the too much makeup, hair not lacquered into non moving strands = Head to Toe in a paper bag or something else that completely conceals all the things some posters seem to think are her faults, oh and of course the fact she breaths and dates William!

I really don't miss high school but some do apparently.

You do surprise me, lucky it's not me you are talking about, we don't have high school, here it's state, private or public and I went to public school. - (you do get secondary, comprehensive or grammer schools in the state run sector)

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade

oh yes of course the usual ultimate argument in the debate ... at the end of the day the green eyed monster must be behind everything. it's getting boring.

Yes it is, the level of jealousy directed against this young woman is indeed boring.

they don't since in the public view kate middleton has arrived on the level of b or c celebs

Anything to back up your view that 'the public' view Kate in the same way as you?

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Boris

The determination, seriousness and effort put by some posters here into the insistence on not calling a slight wardrobe malfunction by its name is so funny...

One could say the same about those that would prefer to present it as the crime of the century.

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Idriel

Muriel, I will take up your offer and agree to disagree. I think the subject is a bit too silly to be discussed at such length (and I am guilty as charged).

But I will say I always appreciate how courteous and unpatronising you are when disagreeing with anyone.

I could not help but agree with you on the subject of the debate being rather trivial, at best

[muriel]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

As for the rules of the game, see my post# 167 in this thread. As for the statement, it is impossible to determine what is truth. If the Middletons are so concerned with their image, perhaps they can issue a statement with their side of the story.

I am not sure I am still with you on this. AFAIK none of the Middletons have ever spoken to the press. There was a supposed "interview" with Mandrake, but there were a lot of questions around it, query whether it was a real interview at all.

I don't think the Middleton's are particularly worried about their image (she is reported to have highlighted they do not employ a PR agency or anything) - they are probably more worried about the safety of their daughter, and the horrendous onslaught of the press she has to contend with every time she steps out of their front door.

Originally Posted by Al_bina

Vacations, invitations, access to exclusive night clubs, gowns at discount, and publcity for their own business. Peharps, Party Piece is a successful enterprise. At the same time, free publicty never hurts.

a) Do you know for a fact that Kate Middleton has had free vacations and has never paid anything towards the cost herself?
b) Even if that were true, IMO that is a matter between Kate and her boyfirend. It really does not bother me as the tax payer did not pay for her holidays. If it is of relevance to you, that is an entirely different matter.
c) Lets be clear that neither Kate nor her family have been pushing Party Pieces through the publicity surrounding Kate's relationship. It was only very recently that her picture appeared on the website. It is the tabloids that keep bringing the issue up.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Al_bina

Vacations, access to exclusive night clubs, gowns at discount, and publcity for business. Peharps, Party Pieces is a successful enterprise. At the same time, free publicty never hurts.

Surely everyone takes a vacation/holiday or even two or three each year, none of whom have royal connections.
The free outfits story was never confirmed by either design houses or the Middletons, IIR the story was debunked, the only source for the free gowns story was the Daily Mail was it not?
Kate does not receive 'access to exclusive nightclubs', all are open to the public and I don't recall Kate flouting her boyfriend for any publicity, personal or business related.

These seem to be a prime example of your quote that if a lie is repeated often enough it becomes the truth?

[Duke of Marmalade]

Originally Posted by Amelia

I'm sure Kate's high press profile has helped her mother's company in the past but in the current economic climate it is small family owned companies, like Party Pieces, that are being effected and I don't think Kate's that connection with the company is going to help a whole lot at the moment .

and for that reason carole put the picture on the website, how clever, get kate officially on board and be sure people will talk about it.

Why is it hypocritical of Mrs Middleton to complain and worry like everyone else?

carole's company benefitted from her daughters high press profile at least in the sense that people became aware, then carole even pushed public interest in more difficult times by posting kate's picture and now she's worried? if carole was stupid (what i doubt) i'd call her naive, but if she is clever (what i think) i will call her hypocritcal or even calculating.

[Skydragon]

Originally Posted by Little_star

I'm guessing you haven't been to Mahiki recently, the last time I was there it was full of wannabes. The clientele hasn't improved.

But it always was. The same with Stringfellows when it opened and indeed any 'new' style nightclub, as soon as it is known that X had been there, even opened it, they flock in.

The idea that "Party Pieces" hasn't benefited from Kate's relationship is just ridiculous.

Even I agree with you on that but I don't feel they have courted the publicity. They were fairly well known among the Yummy Mummy and the country set, purely for what they offered in the way of complete party paraphernalia. The publicity has attracted more middle class purchasers possibly.

[Warren]

The very lengthy discussion of the paparazzi and news coverage of Kate's bra etc etc has been moved to the William, Harry and girlfriends and the Press thread.

[Ella Kay]

The Mail reports that William and Kate are on holiday at Birkhall with Charles and Camilla.

Wills whisks Kate off for a new year break ... with his father and stepmother

ETA: The Sun is now reporting the same: Prince William takes Kate Middleton on surprise Scottish holiday

[Sonjapearl]

And of course, Rebecca English has to say an engagement is "imminent"