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Old 10-07-2007, 02:33 PM
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Oh come on. Kate has to do more than just hang around clubs and keep a sharp eye on William. We don't know what she does with the rest of her time. How do we know she doesn't work? Does this mean because there's no pictures, a job does not exist?
I think that William and Kate understand each other and Kate provides a lot of support for him. I don't know if they will marry, but keep in mind that some Windsors find their mate earlier in life rather than later. Two different examples are William's father and his paternal grandmother. He sems to me to be handling the relationship pretty well, all things considered. He's a young man who will still make the occasional mistake. If he is thinking of marriage, IMHO he should be free to devote enough time to developing a strong bond with his wife, and I don't think he will be able to do this until he finishes up with his military obligations.
Time will tell, we'll just have to wait.
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Old 10-07-2007, 05:05 PM
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i have to admit i'm not up to speed on his charities but what's wrong with having sports oriented charities?
Your statements are on the ball!!!! Very acurate observation Duchess.

Also, how can Prince William shine when his father is King in waiting?
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Old 10-07-2007, 07:24 PM
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as far as catherine is concerned, what i've seen/read, i like. she appears poised and discreet. it's what i haven't seen that kind of scares me. i hope she starts to show some direction or interest in something or she could, if they marry, go the road that diana went down. without even the smallest ambition or interest she seems to have no direction in life. now i know that not everyone aspires to be doctors or lawyers or whatever but i think the woman that does marry william should have some sort of focus prior to marriage. it would certainly help toughen her up for the road ahead.
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:05 AM
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they're back together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so nice!!!

Kate looks so happy!!!!!!they're such a lovely couple!!
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Old 10-08-2007, 05:21 AM
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William and Kate, in car, getting photographed. BORING. Can't they fill the headlines with REAL news anymore? I don't give a flying Floella Benjamin about the paps, what I'm more concerned about is William falling out of yet another nightclub. And people really think the monarchy can survive in this country? NEXT.
I was about to write something similar before I read your post. Exactly what I was thinking and I couldn't have said it better.
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Old 10-08-2007, 06:54 AM
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Although they like to party I think they should keep a low profile sometimes. They are not normal teenagers, they are not normal persons, they are members of the English Royal family so they need to behave and to conduct their lifes having in mind that they are Royal family and their stict education should't allow them to behave like that, in public or even in private!!!!
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If Diana were still alive...

I realize that losing their mother at such a young age and so suddenly must have had tragic effects on William and Harry -- some may be so deep we may never know what they all are. I also realize that Diana was a troubled person and if she were still alive her two sons would have to deal with all of that. However, if Diana were still alive, do you think that her sons, William in particular, would have been towing the line a little bit more? I realize that they are adults now, but it was always reported that Diana was the much stricter parent than Charles -- giving her sons a wonderful combination of tremendous affection but strict rules. She also was very into "clean" living -- exercise, good nutrition, no smoking, drinking, etc. I wonder if she were still alive if William would be behaving more maturely and responsibly at this point and if he would be more interested in having a girlfriend who had a more well-rounded set of interests and goals.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:15 AM
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:29 AM
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Reading through this thread on Kate and William: who determines that clubbing and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and going is the activity of a 'normal' twenty-something?

As heir to the English throne, one's life will always be far from 'normal'. You are future King of England because you have a tradition, a mystique to maintain, a sense of DUTY. This is why you are born with God-given rights to wear the crown and sit on the throne.

If you want to be 'normal', ie a commoner, then abdicate! There are many other people in the Royal family who would gladly take your place and do your job better.

Royalty can still be progressive and modern while maintaining tradition without constantly drinking and clubbing.

It comes across as hedonistic and insulting to see constant pictures of the heirs to one of the most important monarchies in the world drinking, bingeing, drunk, with little regard for serious duty and effort. Now I read that Harry has been seen sniffing vodka!

Poverty is real. If the poor who once looked to royalty for inspiration and charity (one of Diana's many legacies and gifts) see hedonism and dedadence, then any charity work becomes hypocritical and shallow.

Kate Middleton would have more appeal and could capitalise her status as a commoner and future Queen of England by being a role model: accomplished in whatever professional field she is engaged in, or completely devoted to philanthropic work. Sadly, a pretty face and good hair only lasts so long. Kate is already looking old and tired, despite the tonnes of make-up, at 25. How will she look in 10 years?


Prince William over the last year strikes me a puny - weak, inarticulate, indecisive. I would love to see him build some solid life projects and interests.

Let's hope that William and Kate are just going through an immature phase and can grow and mature together with real life projects and interests to make a postiive contribution to royalty and to humanity.
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Old 10-09-2007, 04:51 AM
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If you want to be 'normal', ie a commoner, then abdicate! There are many other people in the Royal family who would gladly take your place and do your job better.
Fine, if William abdicates, then the throne goes to Harry who has been pictured sniffing alcohol. If Harry abdicates then the throne goes to Andrew and then to Beatrice who has been hitting the party scene heavily too. Eugenie is a bit too young. If they all abdicate then the throne goes to Anne and her children and at which point Anne would probably revolt because she never wanted a royal life for her children and never raised them that way.

To condemn William, Harry, and Beatrice for partying too much is a bit too simplistic, they're part of a bigger trend of more partying now. The solution is not so easy.

The lack of choice inherent in the monarchy works both ways. The royals don't have a choice of the life and the responsibilities they were born into and the public doesn't have a choice of who will be the next king (unless they start voting for a monarch in a public elections which would cause its own complications) It is this lack of choice that makes the monarchy unique as a form of constitutional representation.

As it is, it will be a long time before William ascends the throne so he does have a while to shape up.
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Old 10-09-2007, 05:21 AM
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I really like Kate, and I lover her sense of style. She dresses according to what she likes and not what other people think she should wear.Although I think sometimes she could leave her boots at home!!! Hope they manage to be together for ever and live very happy!
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Old 10-09-2007, 05:26 AM
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Reading through this thread on Kate and William: who determines that clubbing and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and going is the activity of a 'normal' twenty-something?
Excellent post Franco. What worries me is that Prince Charles - who constantly gives the impression of being offended by media or whoever because the stupid people out there don't get his messages - obviously does not think that something is wrong here. But why am I surprised, looking at his own record with the media, like father, like son, apparently.
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Old 10-09-2007, 06:29 AM
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Fine, if William abdicates, then the throne goes to Harry who has been pictured sniffing alcohol. If Harry abdicates then the throne goes to Andrew and then to Beatrice who has been hitting the party scene heavily too. Eugenie is a bit too young. If they all abdicate then the throne goes to Anne and her children and at which point Anne would probably revolt because she never wanted a royal life for her children and never raised them that way.
Those are not our only options. As I see it, none of the younger 'Royals' are fit for public service or to hold the rank they've been born to. So let's end it after Charles and then William can become an apprentice to Peter Stringfellow, Harry can become a bovver boy and Beatrice can become an actress. And then we'll see just how 'privacy' suits them. Let them work for a living, let them live in the real world and my God would they be crawling back with their tales between their legs. I don't blame them, they've always lived a life of privacy but when abdication sounds a good idea before Wills is even Prince of Wales, then something is seriously wrong and it's time to end the institution with dignity which the Duke of Edinburgh said he'd prefer. The giving the end dignity that is, not the ending.
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Old 10-09-2007, 07:59 AM
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What worries me is that Prince Charles - who constantly gives the impression of being offended by media or whoever because the stupid people out there don't get his messages - obviously does not think that something is wrong here. But why am I surprised, looking at his own record with the media, like father, like son, apparently.
Nobody can control or influence what the low life's choose to write. If William and Catherine were heavily involved in charity work, the media would still look around for a negative aspect of their lives to turn into this weeks paycheck.

For years the media ignored the work Charles had done for charity, because that doesn't earn them the money.
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Old 10-09-2007, 09:49 AM
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since my taxes don't pay for his party life i hesitate to complain but it seems the simple answer is to party at home or not where you know there will be a problem with tabs. i read recently they had a been having quiet dinners out and no ones the wiser or bothers them so it can be done. i understand these nightclubs are the "in" place and it's where to "be seen" but when you're the worse for wine- common sense is you don't want to be seen, especially when you have to look at the pics in the paper the next morning.
it was a little before my time but didn't charles go through his 20's the "playboy prince" only with different girls in the paps all over the world? that's what your 20's are for- doing stuff you look stupid doing when your 40 (let him get it out of his system, (gawdforbid we have to watch his mid life crisis like in the monaco thread). my bottem line worry with this lifestyle is one of the first signs of a problem is you get drunk everytime you drink, when you can't stop at the 3rd glass of wine or go to dinner without a drink- you might want to step back from the table and assess the situation.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:04 AM
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Reading through this thread on Kate and William: who determines that clubbing and drinking excessive amounts of alcohol and going is the activity of a 'normal' twenty-something?
i have to say that this is probably the best post i've read in a long time. i especially agree with the parts about charity work becoming hypocritcal and shallow if all we see is the princes partying and bingeing. after all a picture is worth a thousand words. i also love the part about catherine becoming a role model. although she isn't under the "royal umberella" yet, she could be an excellent example to young women by choosing a cause and running with it. what charity wouldn't love to have her even at this early stage.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:11 AM
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You can not join a charity if you do not feel inspired, it has to come naturally. And I do not think Kate looks old and tired nor should William abdicate because he wants to lead an as normal as possible life for the time being.
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Old 10-09-2007, 10:21 AM
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I think perhaps the time has come for me to add my two bits to this.

Firstly, William or Clarence House have not complained against W&K being photograped outside a club. What they have complained about is aggressive pursuit by the paps - which really cannot be condoned! I am not sure the corect approach to regulate the paps is legislation, but a combination of self-regulation and refusal by responsible publications from buying such photographs should do the trick.

Secondly, going to a night club in ones free time is perfectly normal and socially acceptable in the UK in this day and age. Certainly does not warrant abdication as suggested by Beatrixfan! William spends a fair amount of the year on military duty (I presume the same as any other officer of his seniority), so I do not think it is appropriate to begrudge him a night out! As has been previously mentioned, there are never going to be many pictures of Willas he goes about his military training, and as a result, most photographs we see of him are going to be when he is off duty and either socialising or on holiday.

Thirdly, what Kate does in her time is her business. If her partying is affecting her performance at work, it is a matter to be resolved between Kate and her employers. It is not really a matter for the British (or foreign!) public to opine on.

Fourthly, it is often reported that W&K take an excessive number of holidays. It is normal for most Europeans to have 4-5 weeks off each year. Service officers from the armed forces may receive more. This may seem like a lot to our friends from across the pond, but this is fairly normal here.

That said, I do believe Kate should probably be doing more with her time than is apparent. A 4-day a week a job really does make her appear as somebody who is waiting to marry!
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