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Old 10-20-2007, 07:12 PM
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Edward and Sophie did wait many years before marrying. I think they were a couple since maybe 1992/1 but they then around 1993/4 they allowed the extent of their relationship to become well known.

I think Edward has been the target of gay rumors since the 80s. The musical theatre stuff you know, opens him up to that kind of thing.... People are cruel about those gay stereotypes: a longtime single man, interested in musical theatre, maybe a little "light in the loafers," as they say.... I am sure the Royal Knockout Show didn't help his situation. Didn't he have to wear tights for that?
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Old 10-20-2007, 07:40 PM
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That all four people are different and that the times are different is correct, neners. We can not take the outcome of one to apply to another. But the military training and some of William's characteristics in my opinion are very similar to his father at the same age. I feel that children are shaped in part by their family situation growing up. And we all know William and Harry's family situation. So I hope Prince William will think things out about Kate and not make the same mistake his dad did.
I don't think William is going to fall into the trap of marrying someone that is suitable for his position but not his character, if that is what you mean.

But right now, I see the biggest potential mistake that William may make would come from his his ambivalence towards his very public role and the press and that has nothing to do with Charles but rather I think from growing up so close to the media frenzy that surrounded Diana. Quite frankly I think he got sick of the papparazzi long before he even knew Kate and so I think he's failed to differentiate between the legitimate press and how they can be useful to the monarchy and the people his mother associated with who definitely were not helpful to the monarchy.

I think he's going to have to unlearn some attitudes he has accumulated over the years but the transformation will not happen overnight.

But until that happens, I see no reason for him to bring a new woman into the fold of the Royal Family. He needs to get himself straightened out first.
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Old 10-20-2007, 10:20 PM
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I strongly agree with ysbel. I have suspected that William is badly scarred from the paparazzi scrums that floated around Diana, and from the tacky media circus that she dallied with, i.e. her little chats with Richard Kay and all of that stuff. I have the additional suspicion that perhaps William has another enemy to tango with: his own DNA traits. I used to think he inherited the best of both his parents. Now I am thinking that he inherited one of Diana's worst qualities: stubbornness. He seems to have none of that wonderful willingness to learn from his elders that Prince Charles had at the same age. Now mind you: I realize that perhaps Charles was too passive. But I think in William's case, a little bit more passivity would be a good thing. William seems to lean too much to the opposite extreme, and this quality seems directly handed down to him from his mother. How often did Diana do exactly what she wanted to do no matter how many people tried reasoning with her?
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Old 10-21-2007, 08:57 AM
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not wanting to start a pro/anti diana debate i'll say this:

we've already had a potential queen consort that was discreet and wore clothes very well and that turned out horribly wrong. on the other side of the coin, this same potential future queen started out ordinary but became the best advertisement for british designers ever, touched the lives of a lot people and brought some very serious yet backburner causes to the forefront. who knows what amazing things this young woman could do if she has the opportunity and uses it in a positive way.

Shouldn't Prince William marry who he loves?
Just like dear old dad did and everyone thinks she's such a gem just because Charles loves her.
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Old 10-21-2007, 06:55 PM
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Shouldn't Prince William marry who he loves?
Just like dear old dad did and everyone thinks she's such a gem just because Charles loves her.
No, it can't be that simple even with "ordinary" people. Because sometimes (often) many people fall in love with "wrong" people. So there has to be some brainy wisdom to factor into the decision as well. One has to seriously consider if the person one loves reciprocates that love, and if this person is appropriate in the important ways. For "ordinary" people, one could be in love with someone who treats you inappropriately or has some other inappropriate behavior. For a future king, there are other ways to be wildly inappropriate on top of the "normal" considerations. Suffice it to say that LOVE is never simple. It is never the only consideration, not for anyone, not for a royal, not for a future king.
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Old 10-21-2007, 07:14 PM
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...Quite frankly I think he got sick of the papparazzi long before he even knew Kate and so I think he's failed to differentiate between the legitimate press and how they can be useful to the monarchy and the people his mother associated with who definitely were not helpful to the monarchy.
So so so true...it's a shame how blurred the lines have become between real journalists and tabloid journalists. And with how much celebrities have cooperated with these types of journalists...it has made them more mainstream.

His mother was an expert at PR and knew how to use the tabs...but it set a bad example for her sons, especially since she can't guide them properly anymore...and the rest of the royal family has always been hopeless when it comes to press attention.

To be honest, Harry seems to handle the press better anyway. I saw the Matt Laurer interview and he was more poised than William which was surprising. He could speak better too...Will was all um, uh...like...um...
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Old 10-22-2007, 09:49 AM
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I would like to see William performing more official acts. I dont see pictures of him or his brother Harry working on anything. It's just parties at night and travels with their respective girlfriends.
At least one of them could attend some royal party in abroad.
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Old 10-22-2007, 10:51 AM
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it's funny how people keep referring to them as "boys". when do they stop being "boys" and become "men". i think they've passed that threshold and should step up. william has a lot of serious decisions to make in his life, most importantly whether he wants to be monarch. i realize there's so more involved than simply saying he doesn't want the job but if he's going to do it then he needs to start showing that he takes it seriously. as for marriage it would be a huge mistake to cave into the same kind of pressure that his father did and marry someone that he didn't love. catherine appears to be able to handle all the media pressure but so did diana. catherine appears poised and discreet but so did diana. it's what we don't see that will also matter. does she WANT to life her life under the microscope and in glare of the media? she hasn't verbally indicated one way or the other. everything looks great from where she stands right now - break off william and go back to a seemingly normal routine or marry him (if that's what ultimately do) and have the fortitude to live under enormous scrutiny while still having the strength to deal with all that comes with it.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:02 PM
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No, it can't be that simple even with "ordinary" people.
Wow...this is brilliant and I couldn't agree more. I am sorry to sound like a snob but "love is enough" is a very foolish idea even for non-royalty, let alone Royalty who should consider a lot more than love when choosing a partner.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:03 PM
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BTW, Kate looks like Lauren Conrad from The Hills...I just noticed the resemblance...
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Kate's a young lady who sound very sure of herself...I wonder if she's starting vetting designers for her wedding gown?!
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:24 PM
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I think people whether they like Kate or not are getting too caught up in the 'future Queen of England' scenario.
What bothers me most is the way the Press in the UK is actively sort of "pimping" this young woman. When William and Kate broke up I couldn't believe all the trashing Prince William got! (One columnist-I think it was Richard Kay? Came out and said Prince Charles should pay for Kate to go abroad for a year. I could NOT believe it!) What did William do that was so wrong? A twenty something year old man who dated a young woman and decided he wasn't ready for cmmitment to her.

But the way some of the British press turned on the kid, you'd have thought he did something HORRIBLE! Ingrid Seward hinted that they had gotten "cheated" out of possibly the "first real Royal Wedding of millenium"

Excuse me?? FIRST TRULY ROYAL WEDDING? I suppose Felipe of Spain doesn't count as Royal??
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:54 PM
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What bothers me most is the way the Press in the UK is actively sort of "pimping" this young woman.
The press seemed to be acting as if he's cheating the country the longer he doesn't settle down, most likely because if he is going to be king he'll need to start producing heirs. However, there are many, many people these days who do not get married in their 20s. And, ahem, his father did not marry until he was 32. Of course the woman he married was still fairly young.

It's not as if they wouldn't have the technology to enable William and *wife* to have children if he marries later in life...
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Old 10-22-2007, 08:11 PM
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I guess if William is guilty of anything (and just to be clear, this is not an indictment, but is merely speculation) it could be that he led on Kate. I imagine he was uncertain of his readiness to commit for a long time, and if so, then maybe did lead her on. I hope he didn't renew the relationship just so that he can string her along again. Unless he is sure that he wants the same thing she wants, they shouldn't be a couple.
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Yeah, until Sophie said "My Edward is not gay."
At which point we really knew.
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Old 10-22-2007, 08:31 PM
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I think he's going to have to unlearn some attitudes he has accumulated over the years but the transformation will not happen overnight.

But until that happens, I see no reason for him to bring a new woman into the fold of the Royal Family. He needs to get himself straightened out first.
What attitudes? I rightly don't know. Sorry.
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Old 10-22-2007, 08:47 PM
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I guess if William is guilty of anything (and just to be clear, this is not an indictment, but is merely speculation) it could be that he led on Kate. I imagine he was uncertain of his readiness to commit for a long time, and if so, then maybe did lead her on. I hope he didn't renew the relationship just so that he can string her along again. Unless he is sure that he wants the same thing she wants, they shouldn't be a couple.

I don't know if he "lead her on"...I don't know what was said between them. But I DO feel that part of the reason he reconciled with her is that he got so much heat from people, and the Press about how "poorly" he treated her which is just rubbish in my opinion.

Ever since the death of the Princess of Wales, the world media in general and the Brit press in particular is on the lookout for another Royal "It" girl. Let's face it, magazines like Royalty Monthly and even Majesty came into existence in 1981 for a reason, it was so that they would have a reason to document Diana's EVERY move and new outfit. (I always felt they should rename it "Diana Monthly" and quit the hypocrisy.)

After their golden goose was killed they have seen their circulation go way down. Majesty had a silly article called "Has the William and Kate Era Already Begun?" early last year complete with speculation on where "the newlyweds" would make their home, and how many children they would have. BTW...this article hit the presses the same month that William and Kate broke up.

Poor William, I would run like hell too if I was him. Because the first people who are going to turn on him like cobras if he marries this girl and it turns out wrong is going to be the British tabloids, mark my words.

He is in a no-win situation here, IMO.
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What bothers me most is the way the Press in the UK is actively sort of "pimping" this young woman.
The tabloids just like her...even the American magazines were rooting for Kate when he broke up with her.
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The tabloids just like her...even the American magazines were rooting for Kate when he broke up with her.

Well, I read a LOT of the American tabs, and they were either indifferent(People Magazine) or downright gleeful (The Enquirer, The Star and The New York Post)

The Americans were mostly insinuating that either Kate was being pushed forward by her arriviste family, or that HM the Queen had put the kibosh on the poor girl as too "common".

I don't recall even one that was really rooting for Kate, not like "Hello!" Magazine was, anyway.
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