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Old 02-05-2005, 12:50 AM
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I wonder what he's up to nowadays. Since the costume incident it seems as if he's dropped off the planet. I'm sure he wanted to "drop off" after the deserved backlash he received.
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Maybe the news blackout courtesy of Clarence House is working.
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Old 02-07-2005, 09:04 AM
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Now his little missy is making demands. For Harry to do what she is demanding is like him walking into hell with a gasoline jacket on:

It's the Army or me, Harry...

By BARBARA JONES, Mail on Sunday 09:44am 6th February 2005

Prince Harry's girlfriend has told him to forget about joining the Army so he can spend more time with her.



Chelsy Davy issued the ultimatum after he said he was unable to visit her in South Africa soon because of family pressure. She told him: "It's me or the British Army - you can't have both."



She brought their relationship to a head with a temper tantrum, phoning him in a fury and telling him: "If you really love me you'll refuse to join the Army.

"You don't have to do it - it's just family pressure. This is a time when we should be seeing more of each other, not less. If you go to Sandhurst we'll never see each other. You're letting the Royal Family run your life.

"Look what they're doing to you right now, forcing you to stay at home and be a dutiful son when you and I could be together."

She goaded him about a 'pointless' career as an Army officer, saying he would turn out just like Prince Andrew.

Blonde Chelsy, 19, who has a huge personal allowance from her wealthy family and the freedom to live life as she chooses at a house she shares with her brother Shaun and other students in Cape Town, admits to having no concept of the restrictions Harry lives under.

Despite spelling out to her many times that he has been groomed as a possible future King and has duties way beyond those of most young men, Chelsy apparently refuses to listen.

Chelsy unimpressed by costume fuss

She told friends last week that he was behaving like a 'wuss' by allowing himself to be grounded at Highgrove after the fuss over his wearing a Nazi officer's uniform at a fancy-dress party.

And it transpired that Harry, 20, called Chelsy from the costume rental shop when he was choosing an outfit - and she encouraged him to go for the swastika look.

"She can't see what all the fuss is about," a close friend told The Mail on Sunday. "She didn't find the Nazi uniform offensive. What really upset her was learning he'd spent the party with a pretty brunette on his lap."

In a fit of petulance last Saturday, Chelsy made a public display of revenge by sitting on a male friend's lap throughout the glamorous J&B Met horse race in Cape Town.

"Her manipulations are pushing her romance with Harry to the edge," said her friend. "She's livid that she has some spare time until her university term starts on February 21 and he is not due to go to Sandhurst until May, yet there are no plans to be together because Harry is virtually under house arrest at Highgrove."

Harry has apparently tried to calm Chelsy during long, emotional phone calls, promising he will find a way to see her soon.

He is even said to have promised to try to set up a 'charity trip' to Africa so that he could sneak off to be with her. But Chelsy told him he has until Valentine's Day to make a romantic tryst, or it's all off.

Rumours of arrogance

Frightened that she had pushed things too far, she was yesterday in tears at home. She and a girlfriend spent the morning shouting insults at each other, fuelling rumours that Chelsy has alienated many chums with her arrogance over Harry and her view of herself as a future Royal.

A friend who witnessed the row said the house was in uproar, with the girls crying and screaming.

"We all call her Princess Chelsy and she's been loving it," said the friend. "She even has an inner circle who have sworn some silly oath about loyalty. They call themselves the Princess Circle.

"But now we think Chelsy's losing it. She's realised that Harry has to put his family first and she can't take it. Like Princess Diana, she thought she could take priority and that's not possible.

"She calls Prince Charles 'Big Ears' and jokes that he doesn't need a plane to fly. And she said in front of Harry that it would be fun to have a dartboard with his father's picture on it. She shows him no respect.

"She used to boast that she taught Harry all he knew about satisfying a woman, and that wasn't respectful either."

Harry may have unwittingly played into Chelsy's hands by telling her too much about his family. He confided in her that life could be tortuous with the senior Royals.

Public appearance lecture

He described how he and Prince William were given a stern lecture the day before their mother's funeral. A Royal aide apparently told them: "You may feel like crying but you must not show it. If you feel tears are coming you must lower your head or move behind one of the other mourners."

Harry told Chelsy that he felt this was an early test of dealing with public appearances, and said it was heartbreaking.

According to Chelsy's friend, Harry also said he felt Prince Charles had become remote since openly acknowledging his relationship with Camilla Parker-Bowles. "He said she looked halfway between a horse and a goat, but he loves horses so he calls her The Goat."

Harry was apparently upset that it was his older brother who remonstrated with him over the Nazi uniform stunt, passing on his father's disapproval second-hand.

"Prince Charles was just too busy with his mistress to be at his son's side at that time," said the friend. "He felt very rejected over that."

Recent reports of Chelsy's dopesmoking while on holiday in Mozambique have added to the Royals' disapproval of her. And William has told his brother: "You know a girl like Chelsy isn't right for you. You need someone more like us."

In return, according to close friends, Chelsy has been contemptuous of Harry's family ties ever since they were apart for a while and she invited him to have 'phone sex'. He refused to take part in an explicit sexual conversation, saying: "Have you any idea how many people are able to listen in to my calls?" At the centre of Chelsy's crisis over Harry is her knowledge that he can get any girl he wants. "She's so scared he'll lose interest in her," said her friend. "All she has to offer is a voluptuous figure and a party lifestyle. Harry has to think further than that."
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Old 02-07-2005, 03:29 PM
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I wonder how the Mail reporter knows all that stuff. It's been a long time since the Mail had Diana to tell Richard Kay everything that's going on. This sort of reporting sounds more like Rita Skeeter (Harry Potter reference for the couple of people on the face of the planet who haven't read those books) than a responsible piece of reporting.
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Old 02-07-2005, 05:32 PM
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He is even said to have promised to try to set up a 'charity trip' to Africa so that he could sneak off to be with her. But Chelsy told him he has until Valentine's Day to make a romantic tryst, or it's all off.
One could only hope the world could be so lucky.
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Old 02-09-2005, 12:04 AM
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This is absolutely heartbreakening. Now one can see what Chelsy is reallly like and how Harry really feels about Camilla Parker Bowles.

06/02/05 - News section


It's the Army or me, Harry...
By BARBARA JONES, Mail on Sunday


Prince Harry's girlfriend has told him to forget about joining the Army so he can spend more time with her.

Chelsy Davy issued the ultimatum after he said he was unable to visit her in South Africa soon because of family pressure.

She told him: "It's me or the British Army - you can't have both."

She brought their relationship to a head with a temper tantrum, phoning him in a fury and telling him: "If you really love me you'll refuse to join the Army.

"You don't have to do it - it's just family pressure. This is a time when we should be seeing more of each other, not less. If you go to Sandhurst we'll never see each other. You're letting the Royal Family run your life.

"Look what they're doing to you right now, forcing you to stay at home and be a dutiful son when you and I could be together."

She goaded him about a 'pointless' career as an Army officer, saying he would turn out just like Prince Andrew.

Blonde Chelsy, 19, who has a huge personal allowance from her wealthy family and the freedom to live life as she chooses at a house she shares with her brother Shaun and other students in Cape Town, admits to having no concept of the restrictions Harry lives under.

Despite spelling out to her many times that he has been groomed as a possible future King and has duties way beyond those of most young men, Chelsy apparently refuses to listen.

Chelsy unimpressed by costume fuss

She told friends last week that he was behaving like a 'wuss' by allowing himself to be grounded at Highgrove after the fuss over his wearing a Nazi officer's uniform at a fancy-dress party.

And it transpired that Harry, 20, called Chelsy from the costume rental shop when he was choosing an outfit - and she encouraged him to go for the swastika look.

"She can't see what all the fuss is about," a close friend told The Mail on Sunday. "She didn't find the Nazi uniform offensive. What really upset her was learning he'd spent the party with a pretty brunette on his lap."

In a fit of petulance last Saturday, Chelsy made a public display of revenge by sitting on a male friend's lap throughout the glamorous J&B Met horse race in Cape Town.

"Her manipulations are pushing her romance with Harry to the edge," said her friend. "She's livid that she has some spare time until her university term starts on February 21 and he is not due to go to Sandhurst until May, yet there are no plans to be together because Harry is virtually under house arrest at Highgrove."

Harry has apparently tried to calm Chelsy during long, emotional phone calls, promising he will find a way to see her soon.

He is even said to have promised to try to set up a 'charity trip' to Africa so that he could sneak off to be with her. But Chelsy told him he has until Valentine's Day to make a romantic tryst, or it's all off.

Rumours of arrogance

Frightened that she had pushed things too far, she was yesterday in tears at home. She and a girlfriend spent the morning shouting insults at each other, fuelling rumours that Chelsy has alienated many chums with her arrogance over Harry and her view of herself as a future Royal.

A friend who witnessed the row said the house was in uproar, with the girls crying and screaming.

"We all call her Princess Chelsy and she's been loving it," said the friend. "She even has an inner circle who have sworn some silly oath about loyalty. They call themselves the Princess Circle.

"But now we think Chelsy's losing it. She's realised that Harry has to put his family first and she can't take it. Like Princess Diana, she thought she could take priority and that's not possible.

"She calls Prince Charles 'Big Ears' and jokes that he doesn't need a plane to fly. And she said in front of Harry that it would be fun to have a dartboard with his father's picture on it. She shows him no respect.

"She used to boast that she taught Harry all he knew about satisfying a woman, and that wasn't respectful either."

Harry may have unwittingly played into Chelsy's hands by telling her too much about his family. He confided in her that life could be tortuous with the senior Royals.

Public appearance lecture

He described how he and Prince William were given a stern lecture the day before their mother's funeral. A Royal aide apparently told them: "You may feel like crying but you must not show it. If you feel tears are coming you must lower your head or move behind one of the other mourners."

Harry told Chelsy that he felt this was an early test of dealing with public appearances, and said it was heartbreaking.

According to Chelsy's friend, Harry also said he felt Prince Charles had become remote since openly acknowledging his relationship with Camilla Parker-Bowles. "He said she looked halfway between a horse and a goat, but he loves horses so he calls her The Goat."

Harry was apparently upset that it was his older brother who remonstrated with him over the Nazi uniform stunt, passing on his father's disapproval second-hand.

"Prince Charles was just too busy with his mistress to be at his son's side at that time," said the friend. "He felt very rejected over that."

Recent reports of Chelsy's dopesmoking while on holiday in Mozambique have added to the Royals' disapproval of her. And William has told his brother: "You know a girl like Chelsy isn't right for you. You need someone more like us."

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Old 02-09-2005, 12:06 AM
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OOOPsss I just saw that kinneret5764 posted the article. Sorry...but it is absolutely hearbreakening. I knew that he was not that acceptable of camilla and that his and charles' reltionship was perfect...:(
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Old 02-09-2005, 01:05 AM
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i disagree with that articles,reina

because Chelsy recalled to Prince Charles and Camilla that not right! and Prince William told Harry about Chelsy not "perfect as Princess"

but Prince Charles always busy all the times on his plans with his mistress Camilla have lots to do going theatre,opera,whatever and he will attend 2 state trips include Australia and New Zealand "he busy father"

I understand that articles Prince Harry staying Highgrove because he trouble for nazi officer's uniforms as grounded following his father the Prince of Wales's order he would learn Harry's lesson.

im sure Chelsy not perfect for future Princess and i would think she will more recalled on his family maybe more worse like Princess Diana did that on taboilds every years because Diana said she is "Princess of Wales" and nobody taking her as Princess of Wales when she is divorces to Prince of Wales im honest!

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I have finally found a reason why he shouldn't date her. Funny, whenever a prince breaks up with his girlfriend, I tend to not like the girlfriend anymore.
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Old 02-12-2005, 12:46 AM
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Ok her eis another story of how william and harry really feel, but there is more emphasis on Harry. Poor guy :(

Princes are still hurting
Matthew Bayley and Rebecca English
12feb05

OFFICIALLY, they are delighted for their father and his bride-to-be.
Wedding fortunes
Wobbles at the palace
Hard to wipe tawdry tapes
Just a hint of a fairytale
Thumbs up from 'ex'
'Sorry' day for Charles
Charles, Camilla and Di

But in private, Princes William and Harry are thought to be less than ecstatic. Harry, in particular, is believed to have serious reservations having endured a difficult relationship with Camilla.
But more than seven years after their mother died, they have accepted that a wedding is inevitable. Both are believed to have been consulted.

Senior royal officials insisted yesterday that they were pleased.

"We are both very happy for our father and Camilla and we wish them all the luck in the future," the princes said in a statement.

But they are known to have a sometimes frosty relationship with their future stepmother.

"It was definitely very difficult at the start," said one royal insider.

"There was a lot of disquiet about their father and Camilla, and it's telling that there has never been a photograph of the four of them together.

"There was a lot of frostiness at the start, but as they've both grown up they have grown accustomed to her. At the end of the day they just want their father to be happy.

"In addition, any friction there is also eased by the fact that there is not much contact between them and Camilla."

That lack of contact may be deliberate, however. According to friends, while William is thought to take a pragmatic view of the couple's relationship, Harry still finds it very difficult to deal with.

Despite Camilla's attempts to win him over, he prefers to avoid her and still dwells very much on the memory of Diana.

"Harry often talks about his mother and the difficulties he has experienced with Camilla Parker Bowles," said one friend.

"It seems as if he has carried his hurt alone for a long time. Camilla tried to win him over, but Harry says he just couldn't forget his mother.

"Although he was very young at the time of his parents' break-up, Harry knew exactly what was going on. He gives the impression that he was closer to his mother even than William, despite his age. He still worships her.

"He says he has never felt comfortable with Camilla, and used to make faces behind her back when he was younger.

"He said that when his father went away for the weekend, he knew he was going to see his mistress -- and he resented that. It made him rebellious."

Prince Harry, the friend said, simply does not understand Charles's attraction to her.

"His father insisted Harry meet with Camilla, but it was never easy," the friend said.

"Harry just can't see what his father sees in her. He thinks she is unattractive and has no personality."

Harry's difficult relationship with Camilla was one of the reasons he did not travel to Scotland to see his father in the wake of his recent Nazi uniform gaffe.


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Old 02-12-2005, 11:14 PM
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Maybe this is why Harry likes girls that look like his mother.
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Old 02-13-2005, 02:17 AM
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I hope this is not true, because if Harry is hurting now, this marriage may not help his problems.

http://news.independent.co.uk/

Fears for Harry drove Charles to wed

By Francis Elliott and Nicholas Pyke


13 February 2005

Fears over Prince Harry's increasingly wild behaviour helped to push his father into marrying Camilla Parker Bowles, a friend of the couple has told The Independent on Sunday.

The Prince of Wales believes he has little chance of bringing his son into line while his own irregular relationship is a subject of controversy. Insiders confirm the Queen gave Charles "a push" because she feared the monarchy was being damaged. But, friends say, he also decided to set his affairs in order for the sake of his younger son.

"I think they have come to realise that they had no hope of getting Harry under control until they got themselves under control," said the friend.

With public opinion showing signs of turning against her, Mrs Parker Bowles is resisting pressure from courtiers to give a lengthy TV interview to win support. Polls suggest most people are opposed to her being styled Her Royal Highness and that 65 per cent still blame her for the break-up of Charles's marriage to Diana.

"She always says that she has survived because she has kept her mouth shut," said one old friend last night.

The couple face demands to apologise publicly for their past infidelity at the Church of England's General Synod, which opens tomorrow.

Evangelical churchmen are to demand an emergency debate on the royal wedding at the church's governing council, claiming that the union of two self-confessed adulterers could damage both the church and the institution of marriage.

The Rev Rod Thomas, a leading member of the conservative Reform grouping, said he is prepared to call for a debate when the Synod opens in London. He said: "If they go ahead as things stand, it will increase the pressure on the future King, increase the pressure for disestablishment, undermine his role, and the whole effect on our institutions will be to bring them under fresh pressure.

"How could he possibly say the coronation oath promising to uphold the teachings of the Church of England? How could he say that with credibility in view of his own circumstances?" asked Mr Thomas, vicar of St Matthew's Plymouth.

"It is up to them to say we believe in lifelong marriage and that we have acted incorrectly and that before God we're sorry for these things. If our interest is in promoting the concept of marriage as a lifelong commitment involving faithfulness, the question has to be what can we do to make sure that this wedding doesn't damage that concept?"

Dr Philip Giddings, a senior Synod member and a prominent traditionalist, said: "I would not be surprised if the announcement of the wedding is raised at Synod."

Both Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles are "immensely relieved" the news is out, say friends. They reveal that the Prince edged towards making his proposal over the past 18 months when he has spent an increasing amount of time with Camilla on the Balmoral estate. He also came to accept that a marriage to his partner could help to settle hisyounger son. Harry's swastika-sporting appearance at a party earlier this year brought to public attention several years of deteriorating behaviour.

Tony Blair yesterday ruled out a bank holiday on 8 April.
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Here is some more news about how harry really feels about all this mess

Harry squirms under 'wicked stepmother' jibes

Asian News International
London, February 14, 2005

Prince Harry, who has lately courted much controversy for his flamboyant ways, is reportedly finding it difficult to accept his father's marriage to Camilla Parker Bowles, especially with his friends taunting him about his 'wicked stepmother'.

According to the Daily Mail, official statements said that both William and Harry were 'delighted' for their father.

However an insider said, "Everyone knows this is incredibly difficult for Harry. He has never warmed to Camilla. He doesn't like to be in the same house as her."

Harry is reportedly staying at Highgrove with Charles and Camilla. However he has asked William to join him to offer moral support saying, "It's getting a bit crowded in here, isn't it?"
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Younger prince not so delighted after all
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TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ MONDAY, FEBRUARY 14, 2005 01:47:34 AM ]
LONDON: It's not happy families, a la the famous British tea-time game, in the world's most closely-watched dysfunctional royal family.

Officially, Charles and Diana's two sons are described as 'delighted' their father is hitching up with his long-time love, Camilla Parker-Bowles. Unofficially, says the gossipy British press, Charles's younger boy, Harry, is incredibly distraught and at his wits end because of teasing phone calls from friends about the impending arrival on the world stage of his "wicked stepmother."

In an uncanny echo of his late mother's public denunciation of Charles and Camilla's adulterous affair, Harry is rumoured to have rung elder brother William at university and begged him to come home to offer moral support, saying: "It's getting a bit crowded in here, isn't it?"

Nearly 20 years ago, Diana had famously told a worldwide television audience that her bete-noire Camilla's constant presence in her husband's life meant "there were three of us in this marriage. So it got a bit crowded."

In a tone of faux sympathy towards the haunted young prince, The News of the World reported that Charles's plans to marry again had been a new source of heartache to the flame-haired, royal 20-year-old. The tabloid quoted one of Harry's friends to say, "He was deeply affected by the death of his mother and whenever he looked at Camilla he saw the woman who broke her heart."

In the run-up to the marriage announcement, claimed the friend, Charles's attempt to explain the situation to his younger son "went badly wrong. Harry was very upset, lots of door slamming. Charles just hopes he will come round in time."

Meanwhile, The Mail on Sunday quoted a royal "insider" to cast doubts on the official good news story that Harry and William were willing and happy to be part of an extended family with Camilla and the two children from her previous failed marriage. Instead, Harry is said to have "never warmed to Camilla. He doesn't like to be in the same house as her."

But despite all the family high drama, Britain's newest prospective royal has already been assigned her own royal security codenamed Purple 4-6b along with an armed protection team from Scotland Yard.

Her prospective husband, meanwhile, is said to be determined to gain public support for Camilla to become queen when he accedes to the throne. Charles hopes that public opinion will shift in favour of Camilla over the coming years, allowing her to take the title of Queen once he is King.
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Harry really has mean friends!
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O, that's very sad. Poor Harry! His friends, if they really are his friends, shouldn't say those horrible things to him. They should offer him support. It would be hard for anyone adjusting to the idea of a step-parent, but it would make it harder if you were in the spotlight all of the time.
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His friends probably haven't expierenced the step-parent thing.
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I read this random article recently that said Harry and Chelsy were still going out and she had visited him in early February. How weird.
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LOVESICK Prince Harry flew his stunning girlfriend Chelsy Davy to
England for a secret 14-DAY break, it was revealed last night.
Curvy Chelsy, 19, spent the fortnight with the Prince after jetting
in from South Africa.

Most of her time in England, between February 2 and 17, with
Harry, 20, was at his father's estate at Highgrove, Gloucs.
A source said: "Harry was over the moon when Prince Charles gave
the go-ahead for the visit.

"The pair are besotted with each other and it has been hard for
them having to spend so much time apart. This trip shows just how
serious the relationship really is. Her visit allowed the pair to
have Valentine's Day together."

The source added: "They were both keen to keep Chelsy's visit top
secret. The last thing they wanted was to make it public knowledge.
"Chelsy even told close friends she would be leaving South Africa
to visit a sick relative in Zimbabwe.

"It is unclear whether or not Chelsy stayed the night at Highgrove
but she certainly spent a lot of time there."
Harry is now planning a return visit before he is due to start
Sandhurst Military Academy in May.

A Buckingham Palace insider said: "Harry will be allowed to see
Chelsy before he starts at Sandhurst.

"The pair know it will be difficult for them to spend time
together after that.

"But Charles will allow him to have one more trip to Africa before
then.

"During the visit he will continue his work with children
suffering from Aids.

"But after that he will have time to go and see Chelsy."




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Playwright Sharon Garfinkel with the snub letter.

PRINCE Harry has snubbed an invitation to a play about Holocaust
survivors but has apologised for wearing a Nazi uniform to a fancy
dress party.

The Prince, 20, was invited to a performance of Planet Palestine by
playwright Sharon Garfinkel at Highgate's Upstairs at the Gatehouse
Theatre.

Ms Garfinkel, of Messina Avenue, West Hampstead, said: "I invited the
Prince because he, more than anybody else, should be aware of the
Holocaust."

The play is set in Palestine in 1947 and Ms Garfinkel believes it
would have taught Harry a valuable lesson in Jewish history.

A letter from the Prince's personal secretary, Helen Asprey, said: "I
know Prince Harry much appreciated your kind invitation.

"I am afraid, however, The Prince of Wales is of the firm view that
Prince Harry should not take on any such requests of this kind whilst
continuing with his general education and preparing for the Royal
Military Academy Sandhurst.

"I must therefore, sadly, decline your invitation on Prince Harry's
behalf.

"I am sorry to send you this

disappointing reply but do hope you understand.

"I know Prince Harry was most touched that you should think of him in
this way.

"I would like to take this opportunity to reiterate that his choice
of fancy dress costume was not intended to cause any harm or offence,
but was a serious lapse of judgement for which he is very sorry for
the offence and distress caused."

The performance on March 20 is sponsored by Jewish education charity
Spiro Ark and is the first in a series of plays by new writers.

Nitza Spiro, director of Spiro Ark, said: "I would like to have
direct contact with Prince Harry's father to tell him what education
is all about.



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