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Old 11-29-2004, 12:28 PM
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PRINCE Harry has neither "disgraced" himself nor by any accounts been "binge-drinking". The exaggeration that his liver's suddenly in danger at 20 years old is really so laughable. How he spends his summer holidays is purely his affair since he's not in the position to underake public life yet. At least, his father won't allow him and his father is Clarence House, so if there's blame to be allotted over this tempest in a teapot then that's where it begins and ends.
Over a prolonged period of time, if you read my post more carefully, alcoholism will eventually affect P. Harry's health and his decision-making capabilities. If he continues binge drinking he start have a myriad of health problems by his 40s among them: liver disease, heart disease, high blood pressure, cancer, and pancreatic ailments.

And yes, P. Harry has disgraced himself with his public drunkeness and drug use. And by all indications, he doesn't seem to care how anyone feels about his behavior because he has not changed. William has far greater pressure on him than Harry yet he hasn't gone off the bend. Peter Phillips is considered a minor royal, yet he has managed to carve out a niche for himself in sports management. No incidents there. Harry is to blame for his own actions. He could make himself more useful if he wanted to.
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:06 PM
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Prince Harry is neither an alcoholic nor a "binge-drinker" nor do you have any substantive evidence to back up either assertion, which only leads to the conclusion that you don't have a clue about the meaning of either term.

Harry has not "disgraced himself". He has made mistakes that many if not most early twenty somethings slip into, then just as easily mature and get on with their lives without being bashed as "disgraces"/"failures" etc. before they are even 21. To say he has "gone off the bend" is ludicrous. He's normal.

"Over a prolonged period of time.."?? So now you also have crystal ball which consistently comes into focus whenever you have something negative to build these false projections on? And no, Harry is not solely responsible for his lack of direction, if such is the problem, it's his absentee father who only shows up for photos shoots with Mario Testino and who obviously hasn't given him either the attention or guidance he needs as a young adult. Not surprising from a man who goes on blaming his own parents for being uncaring.

"If you read my post more carefully.." Actually I wasn't posting primarily to your post at all and I certainly wouldn't be bothering to read it carefully since I was told not to respond to you directly. You have a tendency for personal attacks and vitriole, and being protected for it behind the skirts of certain administrators. Do me the favour of not addressing yourself to me directly and this in turn will be my last post directed back at you!!
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:18 PM
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I have to say that talking about health problems of Prince Harry are VERY premature. Sure...one can get all kinds of organ problems with prolonged alcoholism...but I have seen nothing that doesn't make me think Pr. Harry is anything other than normal for his age. From what I have seen, when I was his age, I went out more, drank more, etc than he does. You just grow out of it. I think people need to lay off him a bit, if he is allowed to act his age and naturally grow out of it, he will be a much better adjusted adult.
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:22 PM
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Prince Harry is neither an alcoholic nor a "binge-drinker" nor do you have any substantive evidence to back up either assertion, which only leads to the conclusion that you don't have a clue about the meaning of either term.

Harry has not "disgraced himself". He has made mistakes that many if not most early twenty somethings slip into, then just as easily mature and get on with their lives without being bashed as "disgraces"/"failures" etc. before they are even 21. To say he has "gone off the bend" is ludicrous. He's normal.

"Over a prolonged period of time.."?? So now you also have crystal ball which consistently comes into focus whenever you have something negative to build these false projections on? And no, Harry is not solely responsible for his lack of direction, if such is the problem, it's his absentee father who only shows up for photos shoots with Mario Testino and who obviously hasn't given him either the attention or guidance he needs as a young adult. Not surprising from a man who goes on blaming his own parents for being uncaring.

"If you read my post more carefully.." Actually I wasn't posting primarily to your post at all and I certainly wouldn't be bothering to read it carefully since I was told not to respond to you directly. You have a tendency for personal attacks and vitriole, and being protected for it behind the skirts of certain administrators. Do me the favour of not addressing yourself to me directly and this in turn will be my last post directed back at you!!
Grow up Julian. There are no administrators protecting me. If you would like to take this discussion offline, then let's do so. You're obviously a P. Harry fan - but reality is reality. His behavior is inappropriate, royal or not, famous or not. The blame lies with Harry alone. Charles didn't put cannabis or alcohol in his hands. Get over it, enough said.
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:44 PM
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Grow up Julian. There are no administrators protecting me. If you would like to take this discussion offline, then let's do so. You're obviously a P. Harry fan - but reality is reality. His behavior is inappropriate, royal or not, famous or not. The blame lies with Harry alone. Charles didn't put cannabis or alcohol in his hands. Get over it, enough said.
I would just like to say that I find this an extremely rude way to handle this situation. If you wanted to tell someone to grow up it should have been done outside the forums.

I am by no means an avid Prince Harry fan. He has made his fair share of stupid mistakes, that, yes, have been disgraceful. However, he is by no means doing anything most teenagers and early adults don't do. Only a year older then Harry I drink and party all the time. But I'm not an alcoholic...and people could care less what I do. The only reason people make a big deal out of what Harry does is because of who he is. For some reason people want to make drinking and partying into this big deal, when really, nearly everyone, in that age does it!
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:48 PM
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Very well said Britters!
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Old 11-29-2004, 02:35 PM
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Please remember the Forum Rules and Guidelines, as some of the latest comments in this thread are absolutely not acceptable.

A previous News thread on Prince Harry has already been closed due to certain members being rude and disrespectful towards each other and making it no longer fun for anyone else. It would truly be a shame if the same thing happened to this thread.

You needn't agree with each other, but you should in the least, be respectful to each other's opinons and comments. And in my books, telling another member to "grow up" or "get over yourself" does not constitute as respectful.

For the other members who have been polite and civil in this thread, thank you. This thread needn't be disrupted any further for the other members and as such any furthur disruptions will be dealt with privately.

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Old 11-29-2004, 04:13 PM
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So anyway, I was watching E! and there was a special about young royals on it. Harry was in it, and even though it was a waste of two hours of my life, it said something very interesting. William does just as many bad things as Harry does, but due to the fact that he will be king, all of Williams faults are hidden. But, due to the fact that Harry is the spare, nothing he does is covered up. How unfair is that?
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Old 11-29-2004, 06:38 PM
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Well, if you were watching a special that was discussing Prince William's problems, then whoever's supposed to be covering them up isn't doing a very good job of it!
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Old 11-29-2004, 10:11 PM
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Caricature pic of Prince Harry, and remarkably like him too..
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Old 11-29-2004, 11:12 PM
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In all honesty, hasn't Harry just done things that is part of growing up? I think of things I did during my college years and I shudder. I was just fortunate that I didn't have the eyes of the world scrutinizing what I did.
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Old 11-29-2004, 11:44 PM
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True dat, true dat. I feel bad for the poor guy.
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Old 11-30-2004, 01:12 AM
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So anyway, I was watching E! and there was a special about young royals on it. Harry was in it, and even though it was a waste of two hours of my life, it said something very interesting. William does just as many bad things as Harry does, but due to the fact that he will be king, all of Williams faults are hidden. But, due to the fact that Harry is the spare, nothing he does is covered up. How unfair is that?
I didn't get that his "mistakes" were covered up really...just that they are actually as big as Harry's and so they are more easily explained away...

At any rate..as I've said before, I agree that the things reported on are what almost all teenagers and young adults go through and do-it's part of growing up and learning on your own.
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Old 11-30-2004, 04:17 PM
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But I'm pretty sure they said that.
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:51 PM
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Does anyone else think that the reason Harry came home early is because of the Diana tapes? I'm curious as to what other people think.

Personally, I don't believe the kidnap stories because I think Harry has pretty good security. But I wasn't there and I don't know that. I thought he just came home cause he was unhappy. But now these tapes have come out, I think he may have wanted to come home to be with his family/friends. :)
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Old 12-01-2004, 04:09 AM
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Polfoto 27-11-2004 Britain's Prince Harry leaves the stadium, after watching the England - Australia rugby international at London's Twickenham stadium Saturday Nov. 27, 2004. Prince Harry had arrived home earlier in the week from Argentina, amid media speculation that shots were fired at the ranch where he was staying
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Old 12-01-2004, 04:34 AM
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London, England - Prince Harry watches England take on Australia at Twickenham. Australia won The Cook Cup match 21 to 19.
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From BBC News today:

Harry delays entry to Sandhurst

Prince Harry is to delay his entry into Sandhurst to allow a knee injury to recover, Clarence House has announced.

The prince was due to enrol at the prestigious royal military academy in January, but will now not begin his officer training until May.

The prince injured his knee while training with the Army ahead of his test for Sandhurst during the summer.

He aggravated the injury in October while coaching children for the Rugby Football Union.

At the weekend Clarence House dismissed press speculation that Harry would have to postpone his entry into Sandhurst because of injury to his left knee.

However, a Clarence House statement on Tuesday said although an MRI (Magnetic Resonance Imaging) scan had shown troubling bruising had cleared up, Harry wanted to be in the best shape for the academy.

It said Harry had made the decision with the support of his medical advisers and his father.

'100% prepared'
Harry said: "The specialist has told me my knee has recovered, and with physiotherapy, and strength and conditioning work it should be back to normal soon.

"However, I want to make sure I am 100% physically prepared for Sandhurst, so I have decided to wait until May just to be sure.

The prince added: I am still very much looking forward to starting my Army career next year."

Harry had to pass a four-day assessment which featured an obstacle course, fitness tasks and a military planning exercise to win his place at Sandhurst.

He spent most of November on a polo farm in Argentina where he worked on the complex, rather than playing the sport, because of his injury.

It was claimed that the prince returned to the UK early because of a threat to security, but it later transpired that he had flown back as scheduled.
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Old 12-01-2004, 11:04 AM
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Funny how all the captions mention only Harry, when it appears he attended the game with his cousin Zara Phillips (who happens to be dating one of the starting players for Englands team!)

It's probably for the better that Harry delayed his entry in the Academy. I have constant knee problems because at the first sign of "recovery" from an injury I went right back into athletic mmotions and what not. I've had multiple surgeries to correct the problem, but will forever have the aches and pains, and am developing arthritus already (I'm only 21) at an early age! Better to be sure it's healed then to face a career being cut short because of a persistant injury.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. I know someone who isn't even 30 and has had multipe surguries on both her knees and is always in pain.
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