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Old 01-12-2009, 05:32 AM
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Is it just me who finds that fact that Harry allowed himself, indeed filmed HIMSELF, making such comments immensely stupid. As many people have pointed out - these comments were made in "private",
I think it is wrong to say 'it was in private', it wasn't, it was in a departure area at Brize.
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Until Harry's tape, I never heard anybody but Pakis use the term Paki and I'm sure they didn't mean it offensively.

So I was a bit confused about this incident. Perhaps the term has different connotations in Britain but here we don't hear it that much except from the people themselves.
This is the word used by the skinheads not 15 - 20 years ago. Paki bashing was constantly in the news. It is a horrible derogatory word.
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Old 01-12-2009, 05:59 AM
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Iain Martin's blog in the Telegraph dated 11 January 2009 says it all "Harry Circus Shames Journalism"l.

Sorry I still haven't mastered the art of puting in a link.

Absolutely, this is just another example of gutter journalism. Harry's private tapes are just that 'Private'.
I said it before and I say it again, I thought it was fun.
All of this nit picking is political correctness gone mad. 10 years ago you could call a mate anything you liked and no one, (especially not the mate) cared. It's sad that we have lost that freedom.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:31 AM
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I thought it was fun.--- All of this nit picking is political correctness gone mad. 10 years ago you could call a mate anything you liked and no one, (especially not the mate) cared. It's sad that we have lost that freedom.
We will have to put that down to vastly different opinions, it is not fun to hear the third in line talk about other recruits in that manner. The boy was not a 'mate', he was a young man from Pakistan who happened to be in the same training platoon as Harry. It is right that it is not acceptable in this day and age.

He is not one of the boys/ranks, he is a commissioned officer.

It was wrong, he has apologised.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:34 AM
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Iain Martin's blog in the Telegraph dated 11 January 2009 says it all "Harry Circus Shames Journalism".
Your missing link MARG, although one should remember this is just a blog and there are many of them out there, sitting/ranting on both sides of the fence.

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Quite rightly, Prince Harry has apologised for describing a fellow officer cadet at Sandhurst as "a Paki". I know the Prince and know that he is not a racist. He is someone who gets on very well with people from all backgrounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...r-malaise.html

The Prime Minister said that such racially-laden terms should have "no place in our life" but added that the public would give the Prince "the benefit of the doubt" because he had now apologised

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...don-Brown.html
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:46 AM
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He is not one of the boys/ranks, he is a commissioned officer.

It was wrong, he has apologised.
You know I thought it was just a storm in a teacup but when you put it this way it is perfectly understandable that it caused such discomfort.
You are right Sky and I am wrong to think it was just nothing. It was not worthy of an officer and third in line for the throne.
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Old 01-12-2009, 06:52 AM
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You know I thought it was just a storm in a teacup but when you put it this way it is perfectly understandable that it caused such discomfort.
You are right Sky and I am wrong to think it was just nothing. It was not worthy of an officer and third in line for the throne.
I hoped it would blow over once he had apologised but it seems to be getting worse...

Only days after the Queen agreed that Prince Harry was sufficiently mature to have his own private office at St James's Palace, he has repaid her trust by plunging the Royal Family into another controversy with his 'Paki' comment.

Prince Harry 'Paki' row: 'He has to learn a painful lesson' - Telegraph
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:01 AM
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I think that the new Private Office if William and Harry must be taking this very seriously, the official website of the Prince of Wales (and his sons) contains.................... absolutely nothing about this, so they are so concerned to get Harry's apology out there they can't be bothered to put it on a website. I feel that the way this has been handled by the Prince's advisors is dreadful.
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Old 01-12-2009, 07:06 AM
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We will have to put that down to vastly different opinions, it is not fun to hear the third in line talk about other recruits in that manner. The boy was not a 'mate', he was a young man from Pakistan who happened to be in the same training platoon as Harry. It is right that it is not acceptable in this day and age.

He is not one of the boys/ranks, he is a commissioned officer.

It was wrong, he has apologised.
But, the third in line in this situation is just another soldier. The person who he called (that word) was unaware at the time, how do we know that in the barracks, mess, ablutions block he isn't called that as a nick name and doesn't care. I thought the rag head receiver was smiling when Harry pointed the camera, so he obviously didn't care.
He did apologise but under how much pressure?
I served in the forces for many years as a driver and the commissioned officers behaved just like the non- commissioned when with their own.
This day and age has a lot to answer for.
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Old 01-12-2009, 08:42 AM
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Ahmed Raza Khan's father has got caught up in the over-wrought hyperbole...
quote Mail Online:

Captain Khan's father made clear he believed the prince's contrition did not go far enough.
'Prince Harry should apologise to the Pakistani Army and to the Pakistani government for this. I cannot accept his apology unless they first accept his apology.'
. . .

As the prescient Mr Shakespeare wrote some centuries ago, "all the world's a stage..."
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Old 01-12-2009, 09:01 AM
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Ahmed Raza Khan's father has got caught up in the over-wrought hyperbole...
quote Mail Online:

Captain Khan's father made clear he believed the prince's contrition did not go far enough.
'Prince Harry should apologise to the Pakistani Army and to the Pakistani government for this. I cannot accept his apology unless they first accept his apology.'
. . .

As the prescient Mr Shakespeare wrote some centuries ago, "all the world's a stage..."
A hyperbole indeed.What bloody nonsense.

Oh I don´t believe for a sec he said all and meant all.
It´s just been a while since they,that pulp,found something on him,
and this lets the badly needed cash flow in.Why don´t you people just stop
buying that crap that calls itselve `british newspapers`.
Should be a law against this nonsense,
has nothing to do with free press and all that sort of nonsense.
I wouldn´t even use it for a cat litter.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:02 AM
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^quite right Lucien.
Using questionable language isn't OK but character assassination and defamation apparently are quite alright.
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I feel that the way this has been handled by the Prince's advisors is dreadful.
Those who have been really offended by this are unlikely to be appeased by anything Harry or his office will do, as illustrated by Ahmed's father reaction.
In their mind nothing will wash the taint (or in this case, the slander, imo) of being called a racist. You can't apologise racism away. If people think that's what you are, that's it really.
At this point, I just hope Harry will just keep quiet. The 'scandal' is already dying a natural death and unless Ahmed makes a statement or Harry is demoted (unlikely), it will be buried by Wednesday at the latest.

Edited to add:

a sympathetic article from the Guardian (left-wing):
When Harry met sorry

and a damning one from The Independent (Liberal):
Harry, you can't just say what you like
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:36 AM
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Why is Paki an unacceptable word, but not Brit? Because of Britain's bitter racial history

More than an ordinary four-letter word | Murad Ahmed - Times Online

"It's not just another nasty four-letter word. The outrage isn't another example of creeping political correctness. It's about the experience of immigrant communities in Britain and the struggles that they endured when they came here in the Sixties and Seventies.

For Asians, there was once a time when it was no surprise that an authority figure, speaking in the Queen's English, would call someone a Paki. Just get on with it, thought many, we're the outsiders here."
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:55 AM
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Does anyone remember the old school yard taunt "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"....?
How strange to find that a word that is just really a normal word or a diminutive of a perfectly acceptable word can suddenly take on such an offensive meaning. I think it has a lot to do with the tone of voice with which it is said, I remember being very offended when someone made a play on my name and called me subtle....how strange I became quite annoyed - but then I must have been about 6 years old. Name calling seems such a childish thing but I believe that even in the schoolyard it should be eradicated, should be is what I said, but will it ever be? I doubt it.
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Old 01-12-2009, 10:59 AM
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I find it incredibly disturbing that people are trying to justify this as just a joke or "highjinks" on his part. Moreover it's not the only racist term he uses on the video, opting for the rather awful "r*ghead" in another clip.
I agree. It's like saying you're able to say racist things as a joke which clearly you are not. And how can this be private if he was being filmed? What was a comarade going to go home and put it in his private collection?

Hopefully, Harry has learned from this too. I felt that he was doing a good job too.
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It just shows his immaturity, he will grow out of that
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It just shows his immaturity, he will grow out of that
I wonder how long it is going to take?
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:29 PM
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Well still nothing on the Prince of WAles website so it seems to me that they are simply trying to prented its not happening.

Now Harry is attacked by his own charity over 'Paki' remark - as Gordon Brown rushes to defend him | Mail Online

Now one of Harry's own charities has "attacked him". In fairness i bet this has put some of Harry's charities in a real dilemma
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Old 01-12-2009, 12:34 PM
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As far as I have understood, Prince Henry's racial slur is three-years old. If it is, I wonder where the video came from and why the person, who had the video, decided to bring it to the public attention now.
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Well, I think this puts fully paid to the patently absurd idea that Harry is anything other than a Mountbatten-Windsor! Chip off the Duke of Edinburgh block, through and through!



And I do hope the Duke takes a hand in this, as he's the best qualified to understand the peculiar intricacies of being a relatively inadvertant yet somewhat unrepentant gaffer.
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Sorry is one of the hardest words to say, IMO.

Beyond the realms of fantasy, he cannot go back in time and unsay any of it. He has apparently apologised, he can do no more.
indeed Skydragon, what is done cannot be undone and sorry is one of the hardest words to say, but only for someone who knows what it really means...i really hope that prince harry is a fast learner, the last thing that the british royalty needs is to have a new generation of royals filling the tabloids with scandals and wrong doings...best of luck to britain, to all british royals and to you
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