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I am just curious to know where in the world he got that garish scarf?! It just cries fashion victim, or colour blind.
Perhaps Harry took a trip down Portobello Rd
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Perhaps Harry took a trip down Portobello Rd
It looks like one of these Padmina-scarfs which are so fashionable at the moment. They are made from cashmere-wool with some silk added. You get them in all kind of colours and colour-mixes. I've seen a pic of CP Mary of Denmark with one, too.
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Found this article on Harry:

We shouldn't be too hard on poor Harry | Dt Opinion | Opinion | Telegraph

We shouldn't be too hard on poor Harry

By Jan Moir, Interviewer of the Year

Jan Moir was named 'Interviewer of the Year' at the British Press Awards 2007

We need to talk about Harry. Something has to be done.

This week the beet-faced Prince of Boujis was in trouble again, after newspaper reports of him downing a vat of Crack Baby cocktails and being photographed falling into the gutter outside a nightclub. At least he wasn't wearing his favourite Nazi regalia, so I suppose we should all be grateful, even if the prince has proved he has no need of the dressing up box for the foreseeable future.
Harry doesn't need those big flapping shoes or the fake red nose any more; he has proved to all of us that he is a clown without equal."

What shocks me a bit is not the article and not the way it makes fun of Harry - which is easy when the victim has already fallen...

What really astonishes me is that the author has been named "Interviewer of the year"! It's slimy crap what he has written, simply worded and professionally inadequate - I learned never to use looks you can't change to make fun of a person ("beet-faced") and never to claim embarrassings things are one's "favorites" if there is no proof or statement by the person. ("Nazi regalia"). I mean, yeah, sure, a lot of writers do it none-the-less but they are normally not awarded a price for their writing. I guess this guy will have problems in the future once his up-coming interview-partners learn about his "skills". At least that's what I hope.
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It looks like one of these Padmina-scarfs which are so fashionable at the moment. They are made from cashmere-wool with some silk added. You get them in all kind of colours and colour-mixes. I've seen a pic of CP Mary of Denmark with one, too.
I wouldn't care who wore one Jo. This particular scarf looks horrible, imo
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Jo, did you read the whole article?

The purpose of the author was not to make fun of Harry, he actually states that he thinks the tabloid press is making too much out of Harry's escapades.


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The prince is no angel and has been in trouble before, but I can't believe his misdemeanours are anything for anyone, even me, to get exercised or righteous about. A little bit of dope smoking here, some enthusiastic fondling there, a series of heroic drinking bouts with his floridly attired pals?
None of it is admirable, of course, but David Cameron has probably done the same, and he isn't about to go into a war zone to fight for his Queen and country.
That makes sense. I've been thinking the same thing. Its not admirable and he needs to grow up but its not the end of the world nor is it the end of Harry's chances to make something out of himself and his life.

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Yet we must be fair. Hopeless Harry's nightclub escapades are a rite of passage, not the wreckage of a young life gone awry. Perhaps his biggest problem is not being royal, or a second child, or a motherless son; it is just the awful business of being 22 years old.
Astute comment yet again. I see enough 22 years olds overindulging in the alcohol and making fools of themselves on a Saturday night-Harry's behavior is no worse than I've seen.


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Like Princess Margaret and Prince Andrew, Harry seems doomed to a twilight existence of royal aimlessness. He's not the heir, he's the spare, destined to a fate worse than opening fetes, which is not being asked to open fetes because everyone would rather your big brother or sister did it instead. Even the most ardent royal haters must acknowledge that this is the most corrosive form of second child syndrome, a psychological chasm that Princess Margaret filled with, um, piano playing and lovely holidays, and Prince Andrew plugs with golf and lovely golf holidays.
He actually makes a good point about the 'spare' syndrome. If Harry has a special problem, I think this is it.

Overall I thought it was an interesting and provocative article. The author is a republican but overall I think pretty fair to Harry.
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Old 03-28-2007, 04:51 AM
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I'm sorry to sound harsh, but Harry's behaviour is, simply, inexcusable, in my opinion.

He is not the the only young man in the world who's been trained at Sandhurst and who has an onerous military obligation before him. In fact, more than one member of my family went to Sandhurst, so I know a little of what I say.

The prince should consider some alternative strategies in his civilian life, i.e.

1. He should spread his patronage more around the clubs, so that the pappas don't always expect him to be in the one place;

2. He should consider how it looks for any young man, even a very rich one, to spend hundreds of pounds on cocktails and thousands on champagne, when many of his grandmother's subjects are battling to pay their food and utility bills, i.e. he should become more discreet in his pleasures.

3. He should remember than nearly everyone these days has a phone with a camera. In fact, the photos of him in a nazi uniform was taken by a fellow guest at private party with a camera-phone.

I don't care about his being 'wild and woolly': young people often are and grow out of it. However, he is a royal prince. He's had a privileged upbringing and exemplary training and owes duty and honour to his grandmother, particularly, not to mention his grandmother's people. The future of the monarchy rests squarely on the shoulders of William and Harry and Harry should acknowledge this.

I wish Harry well: indeed I do. But he needs to start behaving like a responsible adult who's third in line to the throne, not some yahoo from the 'burbs.

I wish his mother were alive: she'd sort him out, quick smart!
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Jo, did you read the whole article?

The purpose of the author was not to make fun of Harry, he actually states that he thinks the tabloid press is making too much out of Harry's escapades.
Yes, I did. While you're right that he raised interesting points and discusses aspects of the interpretation of Harry's behaviour, I still think he should not have started the article as he did it.

Here's another quote:

"Poor motherless, idiotic Harry, with his half an A-level in knitting and his dysfunctional family background studded with its own unique horrors; what chance has he got for coping with the rigours of modern life and that second bucket of vodka chasers? The prince is no angel and has been in trouble before, but I can't believe his misdemeanours are anything for anyone, even me, to get exercised or righteous about. A little bit of dope smoking here, some enthusiastic fondling there, a series of heroic drinking bouts with his floridly attired pals?"

Is Harry idiotic? Or should a journalist call him that? Is only academic success something to be proud of? Or why make fun of the fact that Harry obviously has more practical talents?

It's this kind of approach to the personality of Harry that annoys me and which I think is unprofessional.
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Yes, I did. While you're right that he raised interesting points and discusses aspects of the interpretation of Harry's behaviour, I still think he should not have started the article as he did it.

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"Poor motherless, idiotic Harry, with his half an A-level in knitting and his dysfunctional family background studded with its own unique horrors; what chance has he got for coping with the rigours of modern life and that second bucket of vodka chasers? The prince is no angel and has been in trouble before, but I can't believe his misdemeanours are anything for anyone, even me, to get exercised or righteous about. A little bit of dope smoking here, some enthusiastic fondling there, a series of heroic drinking bouts with his floridly attired pals?"

Is Harry idiotic? Or should a journalist call him that? Is only academic success something to be proud of? Or why make fun of the fact that Harry obviously has more practical talents?

It's this kind of approach to the personality of Harry that annoys me and which I think is unprofessional.
Well I think he is making fun of the ways tabloids are portraying Harry and how they dramatise everything. But I understand sarcasm is not for everybody. However, this is a republican author and a republican paper so it may be a case of not wanting to appear too sympathetic to Harry so as to please one's editors.

The first paragraph doesn't bother me because the title and the rest of the article are pretty much on target. Actually I think its the most intelligent article written about Harry that I've read in awhile.
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Old 03-28-2007, 05:53 AM
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I'm sorry to sound harsh, but Harry's behaviour is, simply, inexcusable, in my opinion.
He is not the the only young man in the world who's been trained at Sandhurst and who has an onerous military obligation before him. In fact, more than one member of my family went to Sandhurst, so I know a little of what I say.

The prince should consider some alternative strategies in his civilian life, i.e.

1. He should spread his patronage more around the clubs, so that the pappas don't always expect him to be in the one place;

2. He should consider how it looks for any young man, even a very rich one, to spend hundreds of pounds on cocktails and thousands on champagne, when many of his grandmother's subjects are battling to pay their food and utility bills, i.e. he should become more discreet in his pleasures.

3. He should remember than nearly everyone these days has a phone with a camera. In fact, the photos of him in a nazi uniform was taken by a fellow guest at private party with a camera-phone.
I don't care about his being 'wild and woolly': young people often are and grow out of it. However, he is a royal prince. He's had a privileged upbringing and exemplary training and owes duty and honour to his grandmother, particularly, not to mention his grandmother's people. The future of the monarchy rests squarely on the shoulders of William and Harry and Harry should acknowledge this.
I wish Harry well: indeed I do. But he needs to start behaving like a responsible adult who's third in line to the throne, not some yahoo from the 'burbs.
I wish his mother were alive: she'd sort him out, quick smart!
It's your opinion and I respect it. However I don't agree with most of what you said.

1. Harry is an officer. And he has an off-duty time. Naturally he would wnat to hang out with his friends. Clubbing is normal of 20+ young man.
2. I don't remember him spending hundreds and thousands of pounds on champainge (at once). If you meant the totall amount of money spent on coctails, I think you would find that loads of young men (not only rich) spend about the same amount of money on clubbing and having fun with their friends.
3. I agree completely that he should be aware he can be 'spied' everywhere and he should be cautious about the people he trusts, or just hangs out with. If he were caught wearing a similar uniform, I'd call it irresponsible and it would be obvious he isn't learning from mistakes.
But he was pictured coming out of a nightclub, something all of us have done, without having to worry how we will look on the TV and in the newspapers.

It comes to this, as it had been stated in this thread earlier: if we want the Royals to be 'perfect', expect only model behaviour of them, then we should also be pepared for the fact that they will be 'less human', will behave themselves like 'real Royals' and forgive me if I am wrong, wasn't it something Royals were often accused of?

If we want them to be 'just like us', then take everything that comes with that, including awkward and embarassing situations, drunk nights, clubs, stupid decisions and eveything.

We can't get the best of the two. They are humans after all.

As for Princess Diana, being able to sorting him out, the Princess is dead for nearly 10 years. We don't and can't know what she would or wouldn't do. Having landed herself into quite a few controversies as well and rooting for 'normal' life for her sons, I doubt she would interfere in her sons' leisure time-spending.
And thinking of Prince Charles as a very responsible and caring father, I doubt he wouldn't step in if the things were becomming dangeroous or worrying
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I neither expect Prince Harry to be perfect nor be 'just like us'. That's fanciful!

I expect him to behave like a Prince of the Realm and act like the well-bred, immensely privileged and honoured young man that he is. He has a duty to his father, his brother, and not least, his grandmother and the people of the Realm.

His current behaviour does not become a young man who's third in line to the throne of the UK and its Dominions.

I repeat, the future of monarchy rests in the hands of William and, to a lesser extent, Harry. He is risking much more than his own future, in my opinion.
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Polly, I think as I've said before, Harry will stop drinking, clubbing, etc. But we have to let him stop on his own terms and in his own time. No one can force him, not even his grandmother, the Queen. He is an adult, who makes his own decisions, whether royal or not. Give him time, I think perhaps a few years from now we'll look back and say, "Really, Harry did that?". As the brother of a future King, I wouldn't be surprised if one day William would take Harry's advice on some things.
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Prince Harry to become Patron of three charities

Prince Harry is to become the first Royal Patron of three UK-based charities, Dolen Cymru, MapAction and WellChild.
This is the first time Prince Harry has taken on the patronage of established charities and his association with each will begin immediately. The Prince is keen to support these charities which all offer essential assistance to communities across the UK and throughout the world.

Dolen Cymru (The Wales Lesotho Link) has been working for over 20 years to promote friendship and understanding between the people of Wales and her twinned nation of Lesotho, in southern Africa. The Prince will become Dolen Cymru’s first Royal Patron, building on Prince Harry’s current involvement in Lesotho with his own charity Sentebale.

Also working with an international focus, MapAction helps aid agencies by providing crucial situational mapping in the event of natural and humanitarian disasters. MapAction teams have worked all over the world, including in Lesotho and in Sri Lanka following the Tsunami in 2005.

Prince Harry will also become the first Royal Patron of WellChild, the only UK charity caring for the individual needs of all sick children in the UK. WellChild is celebrating its 30th birthday this year.
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He is not the the only young man in the world who's been trained at Sandhurst and who has an onerous military obligation before him. In fact, more than one member of my family went to Sandhurst, so I know a little of what I say.
I'm sure you do, however I also know from experience of my children, nephews and their friends who trained at RMAS, that Harry's behavior is perfectly normal for young officers, many of whom do not see their military life as a burden!
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If we view the whole incident with a criminalist mind, we'll have to search for the motives behind the two versions of the story. Prince Harry has not much to gain by saying it's a lie and it is perfectly within his mischievious character to make a bit of fun with paparazzi. As Clarence House stated: they were all laughing. OTOH the paparazzo probably shared his gains with the collegue who made the pics which were syndicated all over the world, so both should have now a very nice golden egg in their nest - which they would not have gotten if they were saying the truth: fun with a prince does not sell as much as alleged violence of a Royal prince. Thus they had the motive of greed while Harry gains nothing - his repuation is blackened anyway - denial here or there. Thus to me the answer is clear, as there are no video proofs of either action. As for being drunk - when you are slightly drunk you could make fun and loose your step as easily as if you are completely soaked with spirits. IMHO.
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I agree, Polly.

Any excuse for the excessive consumption (unless the indavidual is battling an unfortunate addiction) of alcohol, to a point where the person stumbles or engages in any form of physical contact (in general) is ludicrous.

It's the indaviduals inability to recognise their limit which is really quite unhealthy.

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I neither expect Prince Harry to be perfect nor be 'just like us'. That's fanciful!

I expect him to behave like a Prince of the Realm and act like the well-bred, immensely privileged and honoured young man that he is.
But do you have any clue about the life of a Prince of the Realm, well-bred, immensely privileged, etc. etc. or are you making a guess on how you THINK a Prince of the Realm, well-bred, immensely privileged should act given what you've seen in the papers about Princes of the Realm, well-bred, immensely privileged, etc., etc. ?

I am making no excuses for Harry's conduct but this overzealous preaching and proselytizing and beating the proverbial breast about Harry's sins is a bit pompous, over-dramatic, self-righteous, and quite frankly, quite boring and tedious.
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Thats not a good excuse for his behaviour. This is the second time that Harry has gotten into a scuffle with photographers. Harry just can't go around and start assaulting photographers just because they annoy him. Harry is 23 years old he needs to start acting as a responsible adult. Whenever he tries to clean up his image he does something that messes it up. I can't say that Charles isn't doing anything I don't work at Clarence House. But Charles has to remind Harry that he is part of an important family and Harry must keep up appeareances. We also don't know what The Princess of Wales would've done in this situation if she was alive. In my opinion she would have probably remind Harry that he has a public figure to watch and such behaviours would damage his reputation.
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You go, Ysbel.

Polly your point is well taken, however. But cut Harry some slack this time for forcing his way over to Iraq. Many of his peers would probably trade their fortunes and their titles before they did the same. I'm more angry at him for taking a swing at people he knows won't hit back. That in my book is a classic *** move. If you're going to swing, man up and face what's coming back...or would be coming back if he's swinging at me. And I'd take the charge.

Besides, Harry is the new Uncle Andrew in the making.
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My take on Prince Harry: He's a 22 year old man, and he's going to behave like one regardless of his position in life. I agree with the journalist who said that as the "spare", he will be considered as "less important" than his older brother...which is a shame. I think saying he's an alcoholic, reckless, idiotic, or Lord knows what else is just conjecture, and mean conjecture at that. I'm not saying anyone here has said that, I'm just pulling things I've been reading from articles that have been posted.


I understand that as a Prince of the Realm and an officer in the British Army, he has a duty to uphold and an image to maintain, but how many times have we seen people crack under that kind of pressure and scrutiny? He's too young to have a nervous breakdown.
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