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Old 07-18-2011, 05:37 PM
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Prince Andrew, dubbed Airmiles Andy for his lavish travel bill, racked up £358,763 in journeys to Asia and the Middle East.

One trade trip took in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain just months before the Gulf state was engulfed in unrest and rioting against its rulers in which at least 30 people are said to have died.
Really, he doesn't show any good judgment at all! Doesn't he realize that as long as the press is gunning for him, he'd better be extremely cautious about his expenses?
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Old 07-18-2011, 06:29 PM
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Really, he doesn't show any good judgment at all! Doesn't he realize that as long as the press is gunning for him, he'd better be extremely cautious about his expenses?
Its not like he is the one that determines where he travels and who he visits in his role as UK Trade Representative. These are not holidays they are business trips.
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Old 07-18-2011, 07:29 PM
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This is true; however, I wonder why the cost went up so much? Is he working more? I'm not one to begrudge spending money that benefits the UK in the long run, nor do I mind the use of a helicopter for short trips due to scheduling or security reasons.
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Old 07-18-2011, 08:59 PM
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Part of the problem seems to be he always goes visits friends etc or plays golf on some of these trips and uses the plane or helicopter etc to get there. He also seems to be going back to a lot of the same places where he happens to have a lot of friends that is why I think it is being questioned so much. I wonder how they work out a successful trip with his line of work? Also last year a bad one for him with the Jeffrey Epstein rumours and he was supposed to be having a lower profile. The Queen is cutting costs but Andrew is running up higher bills. His use of the helicopter has been questioned in the past and will continue to be if his bills keep getting higher. It seems the press don't think he is giving good value for the money.
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:49 AM
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Several MPs have for some time now been raising concerns that many of Andrew's current royal duties actually involve a conflict of interest, because they seem to dovetail so much with his own personal life. It has always been an unwritten rule that Royals tend to be allocated duties according to their talents and their interests [The Duke of Gloucester at one stage seemed to be carrying out engagements with a heavy emphasis on the Built Environment (he is an Architect by profession), The Prince of Wales has undertaken a lot of work on farming, the environment etc etc, Princess Diana 'cornered the market' for 'caring and sharing' and 'young children' roles etc]. But in these cases, Royal Aides always seem to manage / managed to keep any suggestion of 'personal profit' from 'intruding into the particular royal engagement'. I do wonder whether Prince Andrew is well-served by his own staff when it comes to arranging his programme - you never find this sort of problem with the Queen, do you? She adores horses and racing etc, but these interests only form a small proportion of her royal activities.

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Old 07-21-2011, 01:59 AM
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Just heard on the BBC Breakfast news that Andrew is no longer to be representing Britain abroad. The announcer surmised that this move would ensure that he will be separated from "unsuitable friends".

Apparently he is to look after apprenticeships.

An official announcement will be made in a few days.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:05 AM
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Richard Kay also has this information in his Daily Mail column. So two sources have mentioned this now. This makes it more believable IMO.

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Just heard on the BBC Breakfast news that Andrew is no longer to be representing Britain abroad.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:25 AM
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Not exactly a huge surprise especially with the latest account of his travel expenses. Hopefully he will quietly go about his work without any of the scandals and accusations that have shadowed him. I wonder who will take over? It doesn't look good for him though, if it's true and it sounds like it is.
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:29 AM
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Yes, it makes it more likely.... although, what Andrew knows about Modern Apprenticeships, can probably fit on a second-class postage stamp... :-)
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Old 07-21-2011, 02:32 AM
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There was a rumor floated recently that the Cambridges would take over the role. I don't see them doing it now, because William has his search and rescue position to finish. But after that, I can see it happening on their visits to non-Commonwealth countries--like when they had their visit with the BAFTA people in Los Angeles.


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Not exactly a huge surprise especially with the latest account of his travel expenses. Hopefully he will quietly go about his work without any of the scandals and accusations that have shadowed him. I wonder who will take over?
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:56 AM
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Prince Andrew steps down as trade envoy - FT.com

Prince Andrew steps down as trade envoy
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:10 AM
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I am not surprised by this news - the timing and manner seems to reflect current Royal practice [and contemporary political and business practice come to that, and even romances!]. The procedure seems to be something like this:

Stage 1. Scandal breaks

Stage 2. Royal family / Company CEO/ Political Party leader / Celebrity Spouse of the 'supposed love cheat' / all affirm their support for the scandal-hit person. There are sometimes even declarations of support for the scandal-hit person: 'He has our full confidence' / 'He will still continue in his role as Special Representative / We are very much in love and there is no truth in the allegation that my spouse was seen out in the company of a new lover etc etc [delete which is not applicable.]

Stage 3: a 'decent' interval elapses.

Stage 4. Formal Annoucnement of 'stepping down' / political resignation / Celebrity divorce etc.

It seems to happen this way every single time.

As soon as BP announced support for the Duke of York [i.e stage 2!!] you could just tell it was only a matter of weeks before he fell on his sword.

The problem with Andrew is that he appeared to reach his peak in his very early twenties: Regarded as serving in the Navy with distinction during the Falklands War, and at his most handsome [he now looks both overweight and gray - neither of which are crimes, I might point out] he now seems to be in decline.

Only my thoughts, which as I always say, are not meant to offend.

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Old 07-21-2011, 08:24 AM
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Does this happen as of now or does he have more engagements to fulfill in this role? I thought they usually got booked months in advance? Or if it happened like you say they may off stopped booking him for engagements in that role awhile ago do you think? Sorry for the questions? I hope he does better in his new role he will need to be careful because he will be watched very carefully after all this. You are right his early twenties were his time he seems older then he is. But if he lost weight and did something with his hair it would take years off. He may lose weight now not so many big dinners!
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:27 AM
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The problem with Andrew is that he appeared to reach his peak in his very early twenties: Regarded as serving in the Navy with distinction during the Falklands War, and at his most handsome [he now looks both overweight and gray - neither of which are crimes, I might point out] he now seems to be in decline.

Only my thoughts, which as I always say, are not meant to offend.


Poor guy.

Well, outside of his appearance, he and Fergie share a marked tendency towards poor judgement. I hope this development isn't too hard on his girls.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:37 AM
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Not sure at this stage Meadow: we'll have to wait for the formal annoucement.

You are certainly right that enagements are arranged some time in advance; arrangements that involve travel abroad are always a bit more flexible in case of natural disaster / political upheaval etc, otherwise cancellation of ANY royal enagement is very rare. [most usual reason over the years for cancellation has been illness of the particular 'performing royal' [dear Princess Margaret seemed to have a lot of 'off-days' particularly if the Engagement looked 'boring'] or bereavement.

If you want me to take a guess - and it is a guess, then I reckon that when the scandal first broke [about 3 months ago] I expect that at that time nothing new was pencilled into the Duke's diary. [Normally they would be 'booking things' up to 12 - 18 months in advance.] I would imagine that Andrew will fulfil his existing committments and then it depends what happens to the role - I can't think a 'new' royal will be found to replace him i.e. someone who will take over the job, which first began with the Duke of Kent. Andrew's role will probably therefore be downgraded and will be renamed and Royal Aides and the Government will presumably take care to make sure that any new duties he carries out for the UK are kept separate from Andrew's own 'private' interests.

Just my thoughts - and we will have to wait and see.

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Old 07-21-2011, 08:41 AM
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Thanks for that! It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Old 07-21-2011, 08:53 AM
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I would also add that I am quite sure that Royal Aides will be busily beavering away with a view to making sure that NOTHING scandalous is allowed to intrude on the Queen's Diamond Jubilee. For this reason, I expect that anything with a potential for scandal [involving all members of the Royal Family] is being identified, with appropriate steps to either 'neutralise' or 'eliminate' it: [Imagine if the sucessor to the Epstein scandal were to break on the day that (say) the Queen was attending a Diamond Jubilee Thanksgiving event ''here is our Monarch who has never [or hardly ever] put a foot wrong and has been diligent in serving her country, and here is the Duke of York who..............[fill in the rest].

It's hard for Andrew. I do NOT think that he is instrinsically bad or evil; I have met him quite a few times and I think that he is just not....very bright. I think that he's basically well-meaning and affable, but does not seem to be intellectually over-burdened and not does he seem to have the power to think things through....

Only my thoughts

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Old 07-21-2011, 09:17 AM
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It's hard for Andrew. I do NOT think that he is instrinsically bad or evil; I have met him quite a few times and I think that he is just not....very bright. I think that he's basically well-meaning and affable, but does not seem to be intellectually over-burdened and not does he seem to have the power to think things through....

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I know this sounds like I'm Fergie-bashing, but I do believe that his life would have turned out differently if he'd married a different sort of woman.
Someone discreet, intelligent, well-mannered.

As for William and Kate replacing him in the role, I have no doubt that is what many would like, but I don't think it's feasible.
William is the heir, and his duties are bound to increase in the (very) near future.

I suppose the best Andrew can do now is imitate Edward, and carry out whatever duties he's assigned without making too much of a fuss. At least until things calm down.
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Old 07-21-2011, 09:25 AM
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I suppose the best Andrew can do now is imitate Edward, and carry out whatever duties he's assigned without making too much of a fuss. At least until things calm down.
That will certainly be the preferred option, IMO.
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Old 07-21-2011, 10:03 AM
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Seems like Andrew and the girls made their choice: pro Sarah and are now frozen out. It's sad but with someone like Sarah in tow (and I'm sure we haven't heard all about the background of the "Cash for Access"-scandal yet) and with both their needs for fresh money it is definately not good to be too closely connected to them for the BRF. And when it comes to serious decision, even HM always put her duty before her family ties.
As Diarist once mentioned: it's not only Sarah who always tried to profit from her Royal connections but from the beginning Andrew was in in it (in a harmless form back then, like selling pics to the media) and today, after the job as a trade envoy anything is possible.
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