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Old 12-15-2013, 03:21 AM
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His couple of engagements in Qatar (4 in total) have been included in this week's update.
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Old 01-03-2014, 10:59 AM
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The Duke of York has entered the education debate by suggesting university should only be seen as the “icing on the cake” rather than a “route to market” for jobseekers.
The Duke, who is carving out a new role as a champion for apprenticeships, told The Telegraph it is “not true” that universities produce graduates who are trained for the world of work.
The former Royal Navy helicopter pilot, who did not go to university, believes the Government’s roll-out of University Technical Colleges (UTCs), which offer a more vocational education for 14 to 19-year-olds, will turn out teenagers who will have an advantage over many who stay in traditional education.
Duke of York enters education debate by saying university should be 'icing on cake' rather than direct route to jobs - Telegraph
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:40 PM
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Not exactly sure what Andrew's getting at here. Whether or not to go to university depends to a large extent on what the individual wants to pursue as a career. If they want to be a plumber or mechanic or electrician they need to go to get an apprenticeship and go to technical college, not university, but if they want to be a doctor or lawyer or teacher or professional engineer then they need to go to university.
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Old 01-03-2014, 04:56 PM
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what he is saying is that in the UK those who do not have a university education and degree are treated as being either stupid or not worth any investment. He is doing something worthwhile here, IMO.
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I agree, Cepe, what he's saying makes a lot of sense and I wish the government put more money into apprenticeships.


Yes Roslyn, you do need a university education for certain jobs but emphasis is placed incredibly heavily on going to university in the aim to get a job from your university degree of choice whereas when leaving college or secondary school little is mentioned about alternative routes. When I started Year 10 in secondary school, A-Levels were the only choice presented to those my school deemed "smart enough", for those who weren't academic but were hands on it was the big ol wide world of work for an under 18 year old.
There was little mentioned about BTEC's or NVQ's or appreticeships and it wasn't until the colleges or sixth forms arrived themselves was it even presented as an option.

I know a lot of people who are choosing to go back to college to get a qualification through an apprenticeship because they now can.
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Not exactly sure what Andrew's getting at here. Whether or not to go to university depends to a large extent on what the individual wants to pursue as a career. If they want to be a plumber or mechanic or electrician they need to go to get an apprenticeship and go to technical college, not university, but if they want to be a doctor or lawyer or teacher or professional engineer then they need to go to university.
You're right, of course, but many young people go to college just to be educated, with no clear career path ahead of them. They graduate from college, at least in the States, with tens of thousands of dollars of student loan debt, and then they can't always get jobs. Being educated is always a good thing, but our high schools routinely try to get every kid to go to college, even though some of them would be better served doing just what Andrew is talking about. Our usual plumber is about 30 years old, and he makes $140,000 a year, and he has no educational debt. (And he doesn't have to live with his parents, either!)
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Yes Roslyn, you do need a university education for certain jobs but emphasis is placed incredibly heavily on going to university in the aim to get a job from your university degree of choice whereas when leaving college or secondary school little is mentioned about alternative routes. When I started Year 10 in secondary school, A-Levels were the only choice presented to those my school deemed "smart enough", for those who weren't academic but were hands on it was the big ol wide world of work for an under 18 year old.
There was little mentioned about BTEC's or NVQ's or appreticeships and it wasn't until the colleges or sixth forms arrived themselves was it even presented as an option.
This is interesting. Times have changed. I suspect what we are seeing with Andrew's speech is the wheel turning full circle in a way. Those who decide educational policy may wish to see a change back to an emphasis on vocational education and channeling students into trade courses at an appropriate time in their education rather than pressing for everyone to have a tertiary education. As far as I am aware it didn't reach that stage here, although just about everyone completes high school now and then pursues trade courses if that's the direction they are going to take, which wasn't the case when I left school back in the palaeolithic era when you left after Year 10 if you were going into a trade.
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Old 01-03-2014, 06:33 PM
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what he is saying is that in the UK those who do not have a university education and degree are treated as being either stupid or not worth any investment. He is doing something worthwhile here, IMO.
This is the result of policy, and can be changed. I suspect he has been engaged to help this change take place. This emphasis on university education is only fairly recent. At least is is here and I am assuming the same is the case in the UK. I know that the situation has been different in the USA.
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I graduated 5yrs ago and work at a mostly minimum wage job. Today having a BA isn't good enough, you need an MA to even qualify unless you have a BA and a lot of work experience.
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Times do change.

When I was 17 for financial reasons, I knew I couldn't go to university so quit school before I completed my A levels. I applied for 2 jobs and got accepted by both. Both companies offered day-release to college in order to achieve qualifications plus paid work. I chose the one that offered longer term opportunities for qualifications (but slightly less pay), it was an apprenticeship and I signed my "indentures" and off I went.

My company had an average of 70 apprentices a year, normally a total of 200. These covered craft (tool makers and the like), engineering, commercial (me) and graduate (electronics at a uni.). This was made possible by training grants from government. These were stopped in the late 1970's and frank;ly manufacturing has declined ever since.

I am so grateful to those times where I got qualified and could work and support my family.

Sorry for the (personal) history lesson but I felt I should have declared an interest in support what DoY is doing. Purely Academic qualifications do not give the resources required for a country to progress.
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A great of the stuff is going to put you in debt anyway.
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A great of the stuff is going to put you in debt anyway.
Sorry Dman, I dont understand
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I'm just saying going to all these colleges and universities are expensive and can bury you in student loan debt.
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Prince Andrew (whose foreign trips have provoked much comment in the past) is heading to Bahrain this week on behalf of the Government

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He'll be out there banging the drum for GREAT British Week,which is designed to encourage foreign tourism, investment and business in the UK

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Prince Andrew quit his role as the UK's 'Special Representative for International Trade & Investment' in 2011 following immense criticism

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However at the time palace officials said he would continue to travel abroad on occasions 'as and when he was needed'.

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Buck Palace say the gov has asked @TheDukeOfYork to visit Bahrain this week. He stepped down as the UK's special trade rep 2 years ago.
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It used to be that someone with a university degree made more money over the length of their working life and were therefore able to pay off their debts and do well financially. That simply isn't the case any more, as you say.


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I'm just saying going to all these colleges and universities are expensive and can bury you in student loan debt.
It would really depend on what you studied. In the US, it is common for someone going to law school to have incurred $250,000 in debt. Then at 4 years oult the percentage of law school graduates who find gainful employment in the field is less than 25%. In this instance, it seems a poor 'investment' indeed.
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Old 01-13-2014, 11:36 PM
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I am so grateful to those times where I got qualified and could work and support my family.

Sorry for the (personal) history lesson but I felt I should have declared an interest in support what DoY is doing. Purely Academic qualifications do not give the resources required for a country to progress.
I agree very much, I have discovered this hard truth since graduating from university myself! Trades are the way of the future; there are too many university degrees and not enough jobs, especially in the humanities. Good for Prince Andrew for jumping on the bandwagon and recognizing this.
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The Duke of York is set to visit a trade show in Bahrain this week on behalf of HM Government, Buckingham Palace has announced today.
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Hmm. It seems that for all the sniping and Air Miles Andy jokes the Government still knows which side of their bread is buttered and called on Prince Andrew to do what he does best. Royal diplomacy, so that they don't have to resort to diplomatic glad-handing.

I know that human rights activists are all a'flutter about it but sometimes I have to believe that our way is not the right way for everyone. Democracy is an hereditary custom for us, we have learnt it and we have lived it, as did our parents, grandparents and so on. Our style of government has continued to evolve over time . . . hey women even got the vote, but that is our system. It is not Bahrain's.

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His Royal Highness will be attending a number of events to do with GREAT British Week during his visit as well, which is aimed to focus on core priorities including including Education, Young People & Skills & Entrepreneurship.
But, while Prince Andrew is the highly visible front, I am sure the government is trying to put their case for Human Rights, etc. via diplomatic dialogue. An international Royal Snub would merely create more distance and less opportunity for dialogue of any description.
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On January 29 the Duke of York opened Buckinghamshire University Technical College in Aylesbury.



** itv.com: Duke of York at opening of new technical college **


** wendovernews.co.uk: Official Opening of Bucks UTC with HRH the Duke of York **
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