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Old 09-09-2013, 05:42 PM
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I have no problems recognising him as he hasn't changed that much other than a bit of weight which may not mean he is unfit by the way.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:42 PM
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In pictures, he looks bloated and not the way he used to look. If he lost at least 20 pounds and worked out he might be more easily recognizable. Walking in the garden was at least getting some exercise, too bad the police interrupted him doing something healthy! Maybe he had determined to walk around the garden as many times as possible each week, to get mild exercise. I don't usually recognize him in pictures unless he is identified. Charles and Edward are more distinctively themselves in pictures.
Then it's a good thing you are not one of those employed on the security staff at BP to protect Andrew!

They are employed to protect Andrew as he is now, not as he used to look. They should know what he looks like now, regardless of what he looked like in his youth.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:49 PM
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I have no problems recognising him as he hasn't changed that much other than a bit of weight which may not mean he is unfit by the way.
I don't think he's changed that much either. He still has the same facial features.

And as for being unfit, didn't he engage in some abseiling activity not long ago? And I think I recall a skiing holiday recently. You have to be quite fit to abseil and ski. He's put on a bit of weight but so do most people his age. Doesn't mean he's unfit. The fact he was out for a walk itself is an indication he takes care to keep fit.
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Old 09-09-2013, 05:50 PM
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Exactly!

Surely Protective Services has a more recent photo of Andrew? Please tell me they aren't looking at a picture that is more than 3 to 5 years old?!

Furthermore, recognizing that BP employs hundreds of people so it would impossible for security (which might have high turnover) to know everyone and certainly not everyone in the extended BRF. But surely, they know who the top 10 (line of succession minus George) and their significant others?

Is that too much to ask?

But really, I take anything with a grain of salt from the Daily Mail.They need something to shake the worst of worst (i.e. some of their readership) who will proceed to complain about Andrew, the free loaders, his kids, etc.
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Old 09-09-2013, 06:37 PM
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I would certainly expect all the staff at BP to be able to recognise all of the Queen's children and grandchildren and their spouses (with the obvious exception of George who very few of the royals have seen yet so you could understand the protection people not recognising him).

They should also know the other HRH's and their spouses and the Linleys and Chattos.
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If they can't identify someone like Andrew....Hope none of the little royal sprouts every decides to play and seek on the grounds else every poor passing child will be suspect
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:17 PM
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Don't assume they saw his face. Seen from behind - one 50 some year old guy looks a lot like the rest. If he were in shadows or dappled sunlight - it would make ID even less likely. If he were looking in windows from the garden - he's be even harder to peg. The truth is, we don't know the circumstances.
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Old 09-09-2013, 07:40 PM
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This issue does raise some interesting questions about the nature and extent of the security at BP. I would have thought that perhaps there were indoor and outdoor security people, and that they might have some fairly sophisticated technology and security cameras and communicate with walkie-talkie thingies like we see the uniformed police officers use in "The Bill", and that perhaps they might even tell each other when a member of the RF goes wandering around the grounds so they know who should be wandering around out there.
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:08 PM
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This issue does raise some interesting questions about the nature and extent of the security at BP. I would have thought that perhaps there were indoor and outdoor security people, and that they might have some fairly sophisticated technology and security cameras and communicate with walkie-talkie thingies like we see the uniformed police officers use in "The Bill", and that perhaps they might even tell each other when a member of the RF goes wandering around the grounds so they know who should be wandering around out there.
Absolutely - do they even know when one of the family is there???? And if they do, how do they keep track of them? If they have no system - it is a bad on security. But if they had a system and the Duke ignored it - the bad is on him. Not that he would ever apologize. And we will never know the rest of this story.
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It seems that one the royals are inside their homes their RPOs leave their sides. The gardens of BP are walled so the RPOs wouldn't have to go with them unlike like KP where we have seen Kate and her RPO walking Lupo. It also seems that regular police protect the palace grounds so they might not know which royal is suppose to be where .
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:23 PM
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Have we seen Kate and Lupo in the grounds of Kensington Palace or in Kensington Gardens that are open to the public year round - as is the palace itself of course.
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It seems that one the royals are inside their homes their RPOs leave their sides. The gardens of BP are walled so the RPOs wouldn't have to go with them unlike like KP where we have seen Kate and her RPO walking Lupo. It also seems that regular police protect the palace grounds so they might not know which royal is suppose to be where .
But wouldn't there be some liaison between the BP security people and the police coming on duty, and the officers finishing their shift would liaise with those finishing their shift, surely. I doubt police just wander in and out at will any more than anyone else does. And when they report for the duty they should be told which members of the RF are in residence and some sort of effort made to ensure those officers know what those members of the RF look like.

And if the grounds are open to the public year round, as Bertie points out (or at least I think that is what she is pointing out), the need for someone to keep a fix on where the Queen's children, etc., are roaming would seem even more crucial. Perhaps they need microchips!
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:35 PM
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BPs gardens aren't open year round but the Gardens next to KP which are actually public space and not enclosed.
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Old 09-09-2013, 08:39 PM
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BPs gardens aren't open year round but the Gardens next to KP which are actually public space and not enclosed.
Ah! Thanks.

The more I think about it, the more appealing I find my idea of microchipping the Royals.
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(Croc hunter voice) "Oh crikey, what a special sight! A rare Windsor roaming in his natural habitat"
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(Croc hunter voice) "Oh crikey, what a special sight! A rare Windsor roaming in his natural habitat"
Ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha! Love it!
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You've just made my night. Now to go and clean the juice off of my screen.
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Thanks...But the royal security was more like Elmer Fudd "Shh. be vewy, vewy quiet I'm hunting woyals"
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:25 PM
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Absolutely - do they even know when one of the family is there???? And if they do, how do they keep track of them? If they have no system - it is a bad on security. But if they had a system and the Duke ignored it - the bad is on him. Not that he would ever apologize. And we will never know the rest of this story.
That's what I was musing. Either there are procedures in place and the protection officers didn't follow them or somehow the ball was dropped or Andrew didn't follow them - or the procedures in place were inadequate. Interesting that he was detained @ Balmoral in the past for not having proper ID per the reports today. And he was also confronted in the past by security in BP near his mom's apartment when a 'scruffy looking guy' was spotted on camera and armed officers were dispatched to check it out whom he told to f... off. As you say, we'll never know, one just hopes the lapse will be corrected so nothing serious happens.
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Ah! Thanks.

The more I think about it, the more appealing I find my idea of microchipping the Royals.
Microchipping is so last century - far better to implant a satellite tag to track them via GPS, IMO. seriously, when my son and I travel together he can find me via tracking my IPhone.
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Old 09-09-2013, 11:34 PM
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seriously, when my son and I travel together he can find me via tracking my IPhone.
Ah! But things like tracking IPhones require co-operation on the part of the trackee. If Andrew has the rebellious streak I think he has, he would leave that IPhone where he wanted people to think he was, and go off on a frolic of his own with the untraceable phone he secured himself. The satellite tag sounds good.
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