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Old 07-11-2009, 02:28 PM
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Change the system? Are you both suggesting the UK should become a republic?
I think it would satisfy me if the Queen would give her family a good dressing down about the way they are wasting the people´s money, and if you think that the quote 69p each person is a true figure then you must still believe in the tooth fairy.
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Old 07-11-2009, 02:33 PM
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No, I have not meant any change in the political system, but changes in the allocation of funds to Prince Andrew or any other member of the royal family. I am sure that there are avenues to make Prince Andrew reduce his wasteful spending. Just whining about the issue is both ineffectual and annoying.
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Old 07-11-2009, 04:56 PM
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Pics 11.7.2009

Prince Andrew dropped in to Air Day at RNAS Yeovilton
Somerset as it celebrated 100 years of Navy aviation,
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Old 07-11-2009, 05:54 PM
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If Prince Andrew can do the things he has been doing such using tax-payers money to fund his not-business-related trips, it means that the system should be changed. Nothing more, nothing less. The only thing British taxpayers are good for is whining and wailing.
How unrefreshing to see that insulting an entire country is some posters idea of a valid argument.
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sometimes I don't understand the constant complaints in the British media. Britain has a democratic voting system--if people are so upset with the behaviour of the royal family, why don't they vote in more MPs who are anti-monarchist or, at least, who are in favour of getting rid of the minor royals who supposedly don't provide "value for money"?
You seem to have absolute trust in the voting system here in the UK. If there was a referendum on downgrading the minor, money wasting royals, I would certainly vote for the motion. I can't really see Cameron or Brown leading their campaigns with a 'dismiss the money wasting members of the royal family' promise in his manifesto! Or 'save the taxpayer from misuse of it's money by the royals' in Browns.

I would be against abolishing the monarchy, you don't kill someone with cancer, you cut the cancer out and that is what needs to be done with Airmiles Andy. He is eroding the goodwill, even older people feel towards the royals.

The 69p per person is very deceptive because it is based on every single person in the UK paying tax, when of course only those in employment or with taxable income from investments and pensions actually pay tax.
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(Also, the trips the media is complaining about were definitely business-related--the only thing being questioned is whether they were effective business trips.)
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the Duke billed the taxpayer for £207,000 in expenses for his overseas trips, excluding flights. He also billed the taxpayer for £4,400 in "associated activities including lunches, dinners, receptions in UK etc. ---- In April the public spending watchdog found that more than two thirds of firms who were meant to benefit from UKTI did not think it was value for money. ---- The expenses claims, which do not include the cost of flying there
At least one of the trips included taking a daughter with him and most probably also involved golf.
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:01 PM
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I'm not suggesting that the UK should become a republic, if you read my post, but from my reading of British headlines and sometimes the comments accompanying those headlines, sometimes I do think that almost all the royals with the exception of the Queen (including Charles, the heir to the throne) get so much criticism that Britons come across as dissatisfied with the monarchy in general. I understand the 69p for each person isn't a completely accurate figure...but even triple that amount doesn't seem like a huge sum.
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I am sure that there are avenues to make Prince Andrew reduce his wasteful spending. Just whining about the issue is both ineffectual and annoying.
Exactly--there is so much "whining" (complaining if you will) about Prince Andrew in the media. If the waste of taxpayer money is really so great, and people are really that upset, surely the taxpayers themselves can make their voices heard somehow? I'm not British, I don't know exactly what avenues exist to change Prince Andrew's spending habits, but Britain isn't an absolute monarchy--if the people feel strongly enough about certain practices within the royal family or about the royal family themselves, surely they can create change.

I mean, the Queen actually flew the flag at half-mast and gave a televised address--going against normal protocol--when the media and ordinary people became upset in the wake of Diana's death, so surely if the situation with Andrew is as dire as some of the headlines suggest, something can be done about it.

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I would be against abolishing the monarchy, you don't kill someone with cancer, you cut the cancer out and that is what needs to be done with Airmiles Andy. He is eroding the goodwill, even older people feel towards the royals.
How would you propose to "cut the cancer" that is Andrew out of the monarchy, then?
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Old 07-12-2009, 04:40 PM
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Prince Andrew attends the 2nd International Festival of
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:03 AM
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I keep Birds of Prey (Falcons and Owls), what do you want to know? Meanwhile - Brief history

The Duke of York was presented with a highly prized gyrfalcon by His Highness Sheikh Sultan Bin Tahnoon Al Nahyan on Sunday in recognition of the relationship between the Britain and United Arab Emirates

Bird given to Duke of York by Abu Dhabi sheikh - Telegraph
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Old 07-13-2009, 06:46 AM
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Old 07-13-2009, 02:49 PM
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So he's keeping it at a bird center. Does he have to pay for storage? Or will they breed it which will pay for it's upkeep? How much does it cost for that hobby? Though it looks TRICK!!
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Old 07-13-2009, 04:06 PM
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The Duke looks a little tentative in that first picture, like he's thinking, "Please don't peck me. Please don't peck me." I keep mammals of prey--cats!
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So he's keeping it at a bird center. Does he have to pay for storage? Or will they breed it which will pay for it's upkeep? How much does it cost for that hobby? Though it looks TRICK!!
Normally one would pay for boarding and of course that will include a handler to train or fly the bird. As Andrew owns a female, he could hope that the centre has a male that it will bond with, again normally they breed around 2 to 3 years of age, they also mate for life. If the chicks fledge successfully, the proceeds are normally split 50/50 between the owners, if both birds are not yours. If you are keeping them yourself, apart from the initial outlay, which for a Gyr or Gyr cross is high, they are relatively inexpensive, IMO. The female Andrew has been given, comes with an impeccably pedigree and will have her DNA on record.
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Old 07-14-2009, 02:57 AM
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Old 07-18-2009, 06:13 AM
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The Duke of York ordered Royal policemen to collect stray golf balls while he practised his swing at Buckingham Palace, according to court documents presented by an ex-officer whose claims were described as fantasy in court.

Duke of York 'ordered Royal protection officers to collect golf balls' - Telegraph
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and the Metropolitan Police said that the picture he painted of Royal protection unit "was not recognised".
It wouldn't be they are not part of the clique.
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Old 07-19-2009, 06:07 AM
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MOST DIVORCEES do their best to forget the date they got married, their wedding anniversary and any painful reminders of how it all went wrong

Sunday Express | Express Yourself :: The (very) odd couple
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Old 07-24-2009, 04:39 PM
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:52 AM
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MOST DIVORCEES do their best to forget the date they got married, their wedding anniversary and any painful reminders of how it all went wrong

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If it works for them, so be it. They're not doing anyone any harm whatsoever and their private arrangements are nobody's business. It must be peeving Philip something fearsome though.
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:28 AM
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I am no fan of Prince Philip but I find nothing funny about this situation and I don´t think that any father would be pleased to find that an ex wife (spouse) is living under the same roof and in a way preventing the son moving on, while in this case she is still enjoying a royal life style. She caused her parents.in-law pain and so I can´t blame them if they would prefer her completely out of her ex-husband´s life except for where the two daughters are concerned. They seem not to have done anything against this situation and it is the ex-couple´s business but it is not an amusing situation for sure.
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:57 AM
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Sunday Express | Express Yourself :: The (very) odd couple
I didn't know they were still living under the same roof, how odd. I agree with Prince Phillip, Fergie was odd and pointless. She'd just milking Andrew for what he has, and enjoying the royal life style. I think thats so wrong.
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I heard about Sarah temporarily staying with Andrew after her house fire last year, but I didn't know she'd gone back to living with him permanently!

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I am no fan of Prince Philip but I find nothing funny about this situation and I don´t think that any father would be pleased to find that an ex wife (spouse) is living under the same roof and in a way preventing the son moving on, while in this case she is still enjoying a royal life style. She caused her parents.in-law pain and so I can´t blame them if they would prefer her completely out of her ex-husband´s life except for where the two daughters are concerned. They seem not to have done anything against this situation and it is the ex-couple´s business but it is not an amusing situation for sure.
I don't think Prince Philip would be pleased with the situation, but more because he doesn't seem to like Sarah than because she would prevent Andrew from dating new women. I can't see Philip caring much whether Andrew did, or didn't, remarry. Also, I don't see how Sarah is preventing Andrew from moving on. If she's living at Royal Lodge it's because Andrew is letting her; if he didn't want her living there, he's a grown man capable of telling her so.

As for Sarah living off Andrew's wealth and royal status, I was wondering if there was a way to find out if Andrew is paying for Sarah's expenses? I remember that before Charles and Camilla married, her expenses were included in his accounts, even though she (at that time) wasn't contributing anything to the royal family. The only thing we really know from the article is that Sarah seems to be living at Royal Lodge rent-free when she is in Britain. I don't know if she would be getting anything else from Andrew.
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And why do you think that Prince Philip doesn´t like Sarah? Could it possibly be because of the shame she brought to his family. You ask why would it make a difference to Andrew moving on, so I will ask you what woman worth her salt would date or marry a man who still has his ex-wife living under his roof and takes her out for their anniversary and on holidays?
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