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Old 04-01-2014, 12:08 PM
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Duchess of Cambridge browses baby clothes in Gap ahead of tour to Australia | Mail Online
Here what she is said to have bought
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Old 04-01-2014, 01:36 PM
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I love the button-down shirt onsie. Very smart, and would look cute with jeans, shorts, or dress slacks. Boy, little George will be touring in style. Can't wait to see.

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Old 04-01-2014, 02:28 PM
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As casual and as unconcerned about Lupo's nearness the Cambridges look, I would bet this is not the first time George and Lupo have been that close face-to-face. I wouldn't worry about it. Dogs adjust to, accept, and even love babies far more often than not.
I quite agree. My dogs are always more gentle with children. I kind of thought Lupo was saying "oh man, that kid's going to try and eat my nose again".
All joking aside, spaniels are a pretty sweet natured breed.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:08 PM
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I agree. Cockers are amazing. I grew up with one and I used to dress him up, put his legs in bandages, etc. Poor dog just let it all happen... 😁
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I quite agree. My dogs are always more gentle with children. I kind of thought Lupo was saying "oh man, that kid's going to try and eat my nose again".
All joking aside, spaniels are a pretty sweet natured breed.
With all due respect, emergency room physicians probably hear that all the time from distraught parents. Any veterinarian will tell you that there are probably hundreds of thousands of dogs who live with babies without incident, but there can also be problems.

It is dangerous to leave a baby alone with a dog. A baby can unwittingly hurt a dog by pulling on a tail or ear or grabbing skin. The dog will naturally snap at someone who is hurting him. They don't have to be vicious to protect themselves.

It looked like Lupo was unhappy in the picture but that was probably because William had him boxed in. He may have been looking to George for help. We don't know how long he sat there.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:40 PM
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I'm definitely not saying leave Lupo or any dog alone with small children. I was just going by that moment when the picture was taken.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:45 PM
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While I agree with the argument that "dogs can hurt babies" and "it doesn't hurt to be cautious," people are overlooking some things.

1. This is not a picture of just George and Lupo. George has not been left unattended with a dog.

2. William and Catherine very likely know their dog well enough to know if he's okay being close to George. At this point, if they're letting Lupo be that close then he's likely pretty good with George (and really, from what we've seen in the past, Lupo looks like he's a pretty calm and obedient dog).

3. Even assuming Lupo isn't great with George, William is sitting with his arm around Lupo, boxing the dog off and likely restraining him at least partially. He is very much in a position to pull Lupo back, if there is any sign that the situation could become dangerous for George - and given as Lupo is the family dog, it's not likely that he's just going to snap and do any harm to George without any warning.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:50 PM
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It is dangerous to leave a baby alone with a dog. A baby can unwittingly hurt a dog by pulling on a tail or ear or grabbing skin. The dog will naturally snap at someone who is hurting him. They don't have to be vicious to protect themselves.
Very possibly (or probably), the Cambridges have this kind of thing under control. I'm always surprised at parents who don't teach their children not to pull the dog's (or cat's) ears or tail or skin. We teach our children not to touch a hot stove, why not teach them the correct way to approach an animal?
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While I agree with the argument that "dogs can hurt babies" and "it doesn't hurt to be cautious," people are overlooking some things.

1. This is not a picture of just George and Lupo. George has not been left unattended with a dog.

2. William and Catherine very likely know their dog well enough to know if he's okay being close to George. At this point, if they're letting Lupo be that close then he's likely pretty good with George (and really, from what we've seen in the past, Lupo looks like he's a pretty calm and obedient dog).

3. Even assuming Lupo isn't great with George, William is sitting with his arm around Lupo, boxing the dog off and likely restraining him at least partially. He is very much in a position to pull Lupo back, if there is any sign that the situation could become dangerous for George - and given as Lupo is the family dog, it's not likely that he's just going to snap and do any harm to George without any warning.
To clarify, I don't think George was in any danger in the photo. I have no doubt that William and Catherine are keeping a close eye on them when they are together. As I said, the dog looked unhappy, but not at George. I think he was ready to get the picture over with and resume his busy day.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:59 PM
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Very possibly (or probably), the Cambridges have this kind of thing under control. I'm always surprised at parents who don't teach their children not to pull the dog's (or cat's) ears or tail or skin. We teach our children not to touch a hot stove, why not teach them the correct way to approach an animal?
Couldn't agree more.

In fact it ought to be mandatory in kindergartens to teach the children how to read and approach an animal, especially animals that can hurt, i.e. cats and dogs.

Having said that, it's my experience that most dogs are very tolerant of the small (human) puppies in the pack. Much more tolerant than most humans would be - provided that it's the humans and not the dog that is pack-leader.
But if you don't teach the children how to behave in relation to a dog, especially older children, you may risk that the dog will dicipline the child like it would with any other half grown puppy.
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Very possibly (or probably), the Cambridges have this kind of thing under control. I'm always surprised at parents who don't teach their children not to pull the dog's (or cat's) ears or tail or skin. We teach our children not to touch a hot stove, why not teach them the correct way to approach an animal?
You are right that it should be a priority starting around 4 or 5 years old. Unfortunately, it is hard to teach an 8 month old baby not to pull on things, animals or people.
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You are right that it should be a priority starting around 4 or 5 years old. Unfortunately, it is hard to teach an 8 month old baby not to pull on things, animals or people.

I kind of disagree. It is hard to teach them, yes, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. I have a nephew who is 2 and he knows he's not allowed to hit or pull on his "puppies." He knows this because starting when he was about 7 or 8 months old, when he started to be a bit more interested in the dogs if he touched them in a "bad" way he was stopped, told to be "gentle," and shown the right way to touch them. Now he knows he's can pet/hug/kiss them, but he's not allowed to hit/poke/pull on them.

It's really important, because even though you can feel confident that your dogs aren't going to hurt your child (however wrong you may or may not be), you can't be confident that your child isn't going to see a strange dog and think that he/she can pull on them without repercussions.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:16 PM
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I'm not trying to be mean, but can we draw a line at ascribing emotions to animals in family portraits (I mean, unless the animal is being slaughtered as part of the portrait?).

Lupo looked like a dog in the picture.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:33 PM
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Actually, Lupo has a very keen, intent look on his face as if someone off camera may have been distracting him into good behavior with a toy. He looks like he's eyeballing something. And it seems like William had him under control with his arm about him.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:15 PM
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I kind of disagree. It is hard to teach them, yes, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't. I have a nephew who is 2 and he knows he's not allowed to hit or pull on his "puppies." He knows this because starting when he was about 7 or 8 months old, when he started to be a bit more interested in the dogs if he touched them in a "bad" way he was stopped, told to be "gentle," and shown the right way to touch them. Now he knows he's can pet/hug/kiss them, but he's not allowed to hit/poke/pull on them.

It's really important, because even though you can feel confident that your dogs aren't going to hurt your child (however wrong you may or may not be), you can't be confident that your child isn't going to see a strange dog and think that he/she can pull on them without repercussions.

I don't think we are disagreeing. I am not saying people shouldn't teach babies how to behave with dogs (or anything else), but that it is difficult. It can take a long time for a baby or toddler to learn to control impulses and I would not leave a dog or any animal alone with a baby, no matter how many times I told the baby to be gentle or the dog not to bite.

Also, judging by my own experience and my family and friends, I think boys are more impulsive than girls. My daughter was very easy going, whereas my son delighted in doing things he knew he shouldn't. Actually both of them love pushing my buttons now.
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Old 04-01-2014, 07:28 PM
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If we're talking about leaving a baby/toddler alone with an animal, that's one thing. But George was not alone with Lupo in the photo. And yes, someone probably was off-camera, distracting Lupo. It's a common tactic when photographing animals.
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As we learned from the Queen's Christmas broadcast, Kate was behind Jason Bell for the queen and next 3 Kings shot at George's christening getting his attention for the photo.
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3. Even assuming Lupo isn't great with George, William is sitting with his arm around Lupo, boxing the dog off and likely restraining him at least partially. He is very much in a position to pull Lupo back, if there is any sign that the situation could become dangerous for George - and given as Lupo is the family dog, it's not likely that he's just going to snap and do any harm to George without any warning.

If something happens, William wouldn't be quick enough to intervene. No one would!
The papers are full of horror stories about dogs attacking children, but still people say "Not my dog!"

Then there's a tragedy and everybody is in tears.
Much better to be cautious, imo.
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If something happens, William wouldn't be quick enough to intervene. No one would!
The papers are full of horror stories about dogs attacking children, but still people say "Not my dog!"

Then there's a tragedy and everybody is in tears.
Much better to be cautious, imo.
I think we are overthinking this whole boy and his dog thing. Lupo is over two years old and has likely had some training. George was in his mother's arms and Lupo was being restrained by William. That looks like cautious to me.
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Beautiful photo, and George and Lupo eyeballing one another is priceless. Probably my favorite family photo of the Cambridges so far.
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