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Old 03-20-2016, 05:05 AM
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When we really stop to think about it, other than standing in for her husband and doing this engagement solo in 2012 (he was in the Faukland Islands) as his representative, she has attended with William on all other occasions. This has never been a "core" engagement that has been relegated to Kate alone.

People are putting way too much emphasis on a tradition that really never has been allocated as one Kate would fulfill yearly.

I do think too that its the clothes she wears, how she styles her hair and the irrelevant details that are causing her to be missed so much.
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Old 03-20-2016, 05:28 AM
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When we really stop to think about it, other than standing in for her husband and doing this engagement solo in 2012 (he was in the Faukland Islands) as his representative, she has attended with William on all other occasions. This has never been a "core" engagement that has been relegated to Kate alone.

People are putting way too much emphasis on a tradition that really never has been allocated as one Kate would fulfill yearly.

I do think too that its the clothes she wears, how she styles her hair and the irrelevant details that are causing her to be missed so much.
Irrelevant details? If these are just irrelevant details, why does she spend so much of her father-ín-law's money on new clothes and new suede shoes and new hats, and on hairdressers' fees, when she's performing her engagements? She makes a big deal of her appearance, and thus attracts the attention of the public who are interested in seeing what she wears and how she does her hair. If she just turned up wearing the same clothes all the time like her husband, she wouldn't attract anywhere near the same amount of attention. A large part of her role as a consort is to be a decorative item who turns up and looks colourful and smiles a lot and hands out shamrocks, etc., and it has been the role of royal consorts for many years. And when she doesn't turn up at an event that the public are expecting her to be at, the members of the public are entitled to be cheesed off.
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Old 03-20-2016, 06:55 AM
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This event hasn't only been carried out by royal women. I know the media keeps saying that Catherine broke tradition, but she didn't. In the last 100 years there have been quite a few royal men that carried out the event.

Not only hasn't it always been a female member of the royal family, there have been years when no royal was present at all, male or female.

It's disturbing so many writers lie about this, but facts have never stopped the British press from a good rant
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Old 03-20-2016, 08:46 AM
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Where was the press's faux outrage when the Welsh guards got there leeks with no royals present? The Irish Guards got their shamrocks from their own colonel- Prince William.

It's 2016. Why should a woman give out shamrocks? Look at the prior St Paddy's days with William and Kate. William who is the one with ties to the unit, basically is just standing around while Kate does the shamrocks handing. Why can't he do it himself? Tradition! But it's not really a tradition.

The sad thing is that if Kate would have went and wore the same green coat for the third time, the press would all over her for being boring instead it's a month of bashing the Cambridges. Come April tour, the press will be all over them with love.


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Old 03-20-2016, 09:22 AM
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I'd be the first t admit that already back in January I was counting my unhatched chickens wondering what the Duchess would wear on St. Patrick's day.
And the first to admit that my keen attention on her look takes attention from where it probably should be. That would be the charity or reason for the appearance. Shame on me.
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:38 AM
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The tradition has never really been a tradition. As early on as 1904, there was a non-royal male handing out shamrocks (Lord Roberts)

Queen Alexandra didn't hand out shamrocks again until 1908.

Sine then it has been presented by both men and woman, royal and non-royal alike

So much for breaking a 115 year old tradition
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Old 03-20-2016, 09:45 AM
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Perhaps I was a bit harsh in calling what Kate wears, her hair and her makeup irrelevant to the event but as I'm not overly interested in fashion, it was just my perspective. A lot of people do like to watch the show and comment on fashion and I do think that's an extra perk that we perhaps get with having a young, attractive Duchess.

I just think its sad that its these points that seem to be the most focused on and what some believe she is all about as window dressing on the arm on her prince. I prefer to see her as making a difference with the roles she takes on and the causes she stands up for. To me, that's the primary role of a royal consort in the 21st century.
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:04 AM
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I know lots of people are laying the blame on Catherine's doorstep, but I believe, the blame for this confusion is with the palace press team.

Had the palace made it known a while back, when she first started carrying out the role, that she would present shamrocks on an once in a while bases, people and the media would've understood that she couldn't make it this year. It was a mistake for the palace to not explain that Catherine couldn't make the ceremony this year, due to being in Norfolk and preparing for her engagement the next day. Also they made a mistake in only now mentioning that Catherine won't carry out the role on a regular bases. These missteps led to confusion with royal watchers and the media (who's not happy with the Cambridge's right now) was quick to jump on these mistakes and milk it for all its worth.

No tradition was broken, because male royals have carried out this role too. It hasn't been all females. We know Catherine will continue carrying out the role. She hasn't given it up to William to do. It's just she couldn't make it this year.

Let's make sure we post real facts; Catherine didn't not pull out of the ceremony just to be with the kids. Catherine was never scheduled to attend this year.

If she could've been there this year, she would've been there. You can tell she enjoys this role, and just performing her engagements in general.
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:08 AM
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I think there is a time for fashion like at the state dinner. However, we see time and time again the press leading with what she wore , who designed it and how much it cost until what she actually did. When she and William spent the day focusing on suicide that should be the focus not the coat or dress.


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Old 03-20-2016, 10:11 AM
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I think there is a time for fashion like at the state dinner. However, we see time and time again the press leading with what she wore , who designed it and how much it cost until what she actually did. When she and William spent the day focusing on suicide that should be the focus not the coat or dress.


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True, but it's something we just have to get used to. The media won't change, but the royals carry on.
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:35 AM
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I was one of those who really was puzzled to see that Kate wouldn't attend Saint Patrick's thi year. She did give the idea of continuity, as she basically attedened every year since marrying, even while heavily pregnant. I still wonder why she opted to miss this year's attendance.
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:49 AM
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I was one of those who really was puzzled to see that Kate wouldn't attend Saint Patrick's thi year. She did give the idea of continuity, as she basically attedened every year since marrying, even while heavily pregnant. I still wonder why she opted to miss this year's attendance.
I was too puzzled, because she seem to enjoy handing out shamrocks to the Irish Guards. She also have started a relationship with the regiment. Dont think she opted out, but that she had another obligation to be in another place for her engagement the next day, and it didn't allow her to attend the St. Patrick's Day Parade this year. She wasn't scheduled for it. Her press team failed to explain and it led to disappointment and criticism. The palace don't always get it right, and I think it's right to come down on them when they create these preventable mistakes. Kensington Palace brought this onto themselves.
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Old 03-20-2016, 10:53 AM
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I was too puzzled, because she seem to enjoy handing out shamrocks to the Irish Guards. She also have started a relationship with the regiment. Dont think she opted out, but that she had another obligation to be in another place for her engagement the next day, and it didn't allow her to attend the St. Patrick's Day Parade this year. She wasn't scheduled for it. Her press team failed to explain and it led to disappointment and criticism. The palace don't always get it right, and I think it's right to come down on them when they create these preventable mistakes. Kensington Palace brought this onto themselves.
I don't know, to be honest. Her engagement the day after didn't last long and I'm sure she would have been briefed about it long before... Agreed on the press team. I also wonder how long Jason Knauf will last. The thought has crossed my mind more that once.
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But if the press is so misinformed that it thought this was an unbroken 115 year old tradition, it's their problem

It doesn't matter the reason Catherine wasn't there this year. She was never scheduled to attend and it's happened many times in the past that a female royal hasn't given out the shamrocks.

If tabloids did a little research this wouldn't happen
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Old 03-20-2016, 11:13 AM
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I don't know, to be honest. Her engagement the day after didn't last long and I'm sure she would have been briefed about it long before... Agreed on the press team. I also wonder how long Jason Knauf will last. The thought has crossed my mind more that once.
I think she and the kids travelled down to Norkfolk, so she couldn't attend and wasn't scheduled to do so.

The press team at KP have dropped the ball in many areas. I think they know they put themselves in some hot water, so they are publishing meeting the Cambridge's and Prince Harry are conducting like never before. If the palace provide more transparency, I think things would be okay.

The young royals need some tough love from their advisors, but they also need a more transparent press team.

Things have to change though. We're entering The Queen's last years of her reign. It's time for everybody to wake up and get it together. It's all getting much more serious now.
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I think she and the kids travelled down to Norkfolk, so she couldn't attend and wasn't scheduled to do so.

The press team at KP have dropped the ball in many areas. I think they know they put themselves in some hot water, so they are publishing meeting the Cambridge's and Prince Harry are conducting like never before. If the palace provide more transparency, I think things would be okay.

The young royals need some tough love from their advisors, but they also need a more transparent press team.

Things have to change though. We're entering The Queen's last years of her reign. It's time for everybody to wake up and get it together. It's all getting much more serious now.

The bolded part is my thought too.I think she probably decided not go for whatever personal reason. Since no explanation was given, all I can do is speculate at no end, and it won't change the fact that she wasn't there.

I agree also on the second bolded part of what you wrote, but it seems to me that until HM passes away, nobody is going to open their eyes. And even after the end of Queen Elizabeth's reign things will remains as they are, I'm afraid. Of course, I can be wrong and everything is going to change once Charles becomes king,but for what I've seen, I'm not so hopeful. That's why I've ceased to discuss the matter.
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They should put the meetings and such on the CC. The other royals to do so if they are going to get judged by their CC numbers it should be an accurate record of what they are doing.


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Old 03-20-2016, 11:43 AM
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The bolded part is my thought too.I think she probably decided not go for whatever personal reason. Since no explanation was given, all I can do is speculate at no end, and it won't change the fact that she wasn't there.

I agree also on the second bolded part of what you wrote, but it seems to me that until HM passes away, nobody is going to open their eyes. And even after the end of Queen Elizabeth's reign things will remains as they are, I'm afraid. Of course, I can be wrong and everything is going to change once Charles becomes king,but for what I've seen, I'm not so hopeful. That's why I've ceased to discuss the matter.
Well, if this is the case, we might as well pop our popcorn and sit back, because things will get even more chaotic. There must be an awakening. It's not wise for folks to continue to do this dance around, wait for the Boss to get sick and pass, and then suddenly decide to wake up. It's wise for everybody to wake up now and smell the brewed tea.


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They should put the meetings and such on the CC. The other royals to do so if they are going to get judged by their CC numbers it should be an accurate record of what they are doing.


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I agree. Also photos should be provided when possible. It's extremely important for the public and media see that the young royals do work behind the scenes. It's very important for the young royals to be seen working.
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In essence Catherine is "just" the wife of the future Heir. Camilla is "just" the wife of the Heir. Anne is "just" a daughter of the Queen. That is all. It is lovely that they do representative things because they are exactly asked because they are in that position. But that almost insane and autistic numbering and statisticking of who was where in how many occasions is too idiot for words.

In other monarchies people and media are so much more relaxed with it. I have never seen numbers for Princess Benedikte of Denmark or Prince Carl Philip of Sweden or Princess Beatrix, do this, do that, do such, do so. When they grace an event with their royal attendance: wonderful. When they -sadly- are hindered to do so: no bad feelings. This unbelievable picking and prying like vultures on royals is just beyond belief.



But the servicemen were honoured. By no one else than His Royal Highness Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, Earl of Strathearn, Baron Carrickfergus himself. The whole **** was just that media are not satisfied with the future King himself giving acte de prèsence. They just wanted to see Catherine. Not because the ladies and gentlemen of the media give a damn' about these military but just to make pictures and to generate traffic on their sites to comment on her appearance, on her dress, on her make-up. That is all. Now they blow it up out of all proportions. Et voilà: they have generated money-making traffic on their sites too, by opening their sewers for vitriolic comments.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious Duc et Pair. The servicemen were honored by their Colonel. They were aware that Kate wouldn't be there. The media blew this out of proportion.
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The PR handlers messed this up by not anticipating that there would be furor over Catherine's non attendance. I accept that she was probably not scheduled to be there this year. But she created precedence by being there the last 3-4 years. Someone should have known that the press and a segment of the public might have expected to see her again this year. An explanation, while not required,would have gone a very very long way toward avoiding the ire now being displayed by some.
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