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Old 09-17-2012, 01:30 AM
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You make a good point here. The more I think about it, the logical train of thought is that Charles' reign will not be an overly long one. It may very well be possible that they will opt out of creating William the Prince of Wales and leave that be for William (when he becomes King) to create his first born as the Prince or Princess of Wales (depending on equal primogeniture passing into effect) therefore setting a new precedent for that title and role.

Charles definitely did not take the title Prince of Wales lightly and has by far given honor and service above and beyond what was expected of him. I think in the future it will not be just a title that is given by right of birth but also a role to grow into as a means of the heir apparent to prepare for the role as monarch. As the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge, I can see William stepping in and overseeing the Prince's Trust and stepping into his father's footsteps but I do think they just might wait for the next generation to create another Prince of Wales.

Just my off the wall thoughts.
I think the chance of this happening is next to zero.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:00 AM
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That would be a very odd decision, Osipi, and I don't see why you would think Charles would do that.
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Old 09-17-2012, 07:08 AM
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I think Charles would be a bit stupid to not give it to William. He already has enough people who are at the very least irritated with him. That would be poking the bear and when he is king I doubt he will want to do anything that will cloud the short time-span he will be the top man. Just my opinion...
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Old 09-17-2012, 11:56 AM
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I don't see how giving William another title on top of the numerous ones he'll already have, will irritate anyone. IMO the only people who get 'irritated' by Charles don't understand that he's actually trying to do some good.

I agree with Osipi in the way that William will already be heir, with two titles to his name, why does he need another one. He will just assume the role without the title, much like Camilla does nowadays.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:05 PM
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Just wondering how this could happen. If Charles is King and William is the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge when William and Catherine have a child it is my understanding the child would take the lesser of it's father titles. Would that mean the child would be Duke or Duchess of Cambridge or how does that work.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:10 PM
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Just wondering how this could happen. If Charles is King and William is the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge when William and Catherine have a child it is my understanding the child would take the lesser of it's father titles. Would that mean the child would be Duke or Duchess of Cambridge or how does that work.
As William will be The Duke of Cambridge until he becomes king, his son will inherit the lesser title of that dukedom, The Earl of Strathearn I believe.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:20 PM
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But if Charles is King and William is the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge would the take child the Dukedom of Cambridge or would the Child take the Earldom of Strathearn
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:29 PM
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I think The Prince of Wales will follow with tradition and invest William as Prince of Wales when the time comes. I think the plans already in place to hand over the Principality over to William, also with the Duchy of Cornwall. I think it's already been mentioned that William attends or have attended the Duchy's meetings.

Also, the nice side of it is that Wales will have a new Princess of Wales. Although Camilla is the current Princess of Wales, she isn't formally acknowledged as such. I think it would be nice for the Principality to have a Princess of Wales again. Also, the Cambridges actually live in their future Principality.
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But if Charles is King and William is the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge would the take child the Dukedom of Cambridge or would the Child take the Earldom of Strathearn
William is The Duke of Cambridge. It isn't his lesser title. His son will be The Earl of Starthearn, the lesser title of William's first Dukedom.

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. Also, the Cambridges actually live in their future Principality.
Wales isn't a principality. It is a country. There has never been a constitutional basis to call it such.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:35 PM
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But if Charles is King and William is the Duke of Cornwall and Cambridge would the take child the Dukedom of Cambridge or would the Child take the Earldom of Strathearn
I was actually thinking that William & Catherine's children would carry the Cambridge name. Like Prince ________ of Cambridge and Princess _______ of Cambridge. That is what will happen when William & Catherine become The Prince & Princess of Wales. Or is this different that William is second -in-line to the Throne?
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:47 PM
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William is The Duke of Cambridge. It isn't his lesser title. His son will be The Earl of Starthearn, the lesser title of William's first Dukedom.



Wales isn't a principality. It is a country. There has never been a constitutional basis to call it such.
I'm sorry, I meant to say country.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:50 PM
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I was actually thinking that William & Catherine's children would carry the Cambridge name. Like Prince ________ of Cambridge and Princess _______ of Cambridge. That is what will happen when William & Catherine become The Prince & Princess of Wales. Or is this different that William is second -in-line to the Throne?
Two posts which explain it;

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You're mostly right, but it depends on the gender of the children. If William and Catherine have children during the present Queen's reign, only their eldest son will have a title. He'd be HRH Prince X of Cambridge. All other children will be Lord/Lady X Cambridge. That's due to Letters Patent from George V. When Charles becomes King, all of their children then become HRH Prince/Princess X of Cornwall and Cambridge. When William becomes Prince of Wales, they'd be HRH Prince/Princess X of Wales, just like their father and uncle were.

It's really not confusing, it's just a matter of following the order of titles that William will eventually either inherit or be given. The next title up ahead is Duke of Cornwall, as that is immediately inherited upon the assumption of the new monarch. May he not see it for many more years, but still.
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A first born daughter, going by the 1917 Letters Patent, would be Lady X Mountbatten-Windsor (not Cambridge), although one would expect The Queen to raise her to HRH Princess X of Cambridge given recent discussions allowing a first born daughter to succeed to the throne ahead of later born sons.
It all depends on when they have children and what succession laws are in place and which LPs (if new ones have been issued) are in use.

The discussion about William's lesser title still stands, it is Earl of Strathearn and not Duke of Cambridge.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:59 PM
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Lumutqueen, thanks for pointing that out.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:13 AM
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I don't see how giving William another title on top of the numerous ones he'll already have, will irritate anyone. IMO the only people who get 'irritated' by Charles don't understand that he's actually trying to do some good.

I agree with Osipi in the way that William will already be heir, with two titles to his name, why does he need another one. He will just assume the role without the title, much like Camilla does nowadays.
IMO, I think the future King Charles would be wise to create William Prince of Wales before his coronation.
I have a 'feeling' that some of the Royal prerogatives that HM enjoys at the moment will be clawed back by parliament when Charles is King.
The Orders of the Garter and Thistle for example will have to be bestowed with 'ministerial advice'
If William is not created Prince of Wales then I think it will make the title almost impossible to grant to any of William's children. Once a tradition is lost I think it is almost impossible to revive especially in a modern constitutional monarchy where some of these grander titles may appear 'over the top' to some of the public.
Bestow the title on William or risk it falling into non-use in the future.
This is only my unlearned opinion and I defer to and respect the views of the more knowledgeable members.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:37 AM
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IMO, I think the future King Charles would be wise to create William Prince of Wales before his coronation.
I have a 'feeling' that some of the Royal prerogatives that HM enjoys at the moment will be clawed back by parliament when Charles is King.
The Orders of the Garter and Thistle for example will have to be bestowed with 'ministerial advice'
If William is not created Prince of Wales then I think it will make the title almost impossible to grant to any of William's children. Once a tradition is lost I think it is almost impossible to revive especially in a modern constitutional monarchy where some of these grander titles may appear 'over the top' to some of the public.
Bestow the title on William or risk it falling into non-use in the future.
This is only my unlearned opinion and I defer to and respect the views of the more knowledgeable members.
I definitely see the point you are making here. However, I cannot see how in the future that the British parliament could ever take action as to deem who the monarch can or cannot bestow traditional titles to. In these matters, the monarch is the font of honor and has always been that way. For British parliament to be seen to step in and declare their need of assent for the monarch to bestow any title or honor, its practically telling the realm we don't need the monarchy at all now do we?

My point I was trying to make with perhaps Charles holding off and not creating William the Prince of Wales is for the reason that he knows that his reign will be a short one (the Queen is in good health and more active at 86 than this ol' granny here at 60) and could well be in his late 70s before he ascends the throne. Traditions DO mean a lot to Charles and the meaning behind them do also. I believe that Charles would see creating William as Prince of Wales to be a role that would be short lived for William. Almost as if granting a title as just something that is done. If he leaves it be for William to create his first born younger son or daughter with the title, the realm would have a Prince or Princess of Wales seen as a more meaningful role serving the people of the UK. The continuity of the role of PoW has meaning then. Charles himself is perhaps the longest PoW in history and has accomplished so much he's actually redefined the title into a role.

As I said, its just my off the wall thoughts and by no means am I stating that this is what Charles should or would do. It just makes a bit of sense to me as we see the monarchy moving ahead.
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A friend who belongs to a 'Kate Middleton fashion club' in Israel emailed me this article today and I thought I'd post it.
Not sure if this is the right thread but she tells me Catherine's fashions are becoming big business in parts of Israel.

Ultra-Orthodox Jewish women demand Kate Middleton dresses
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Duchess of Cambridge goes antique shopping

Antiques trade gazette - Duchess of Cambridge gives Anglesey lead in celebrity stakes

Article is a few days old but I like that Catherine bargains for the best price lol. She loves her antiques.
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Kate is going to be terrific

Helen Mirren: 'Kate Middleton is what the monarchy needs' - Celebrity News - Digital Spy

'Kate Middleton is an ordinary girl – she’s just what the monarchy needs,' says Helen Mirren | Marie Claire
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I couldn't agree more. She's a breath of fresh air, and has a lot of potential to do some great things.
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