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Old 11-11-2017, 12:32 AM
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I enjoyed that article. I think Harry takes “duty” very seriously and steps up to the plate. IMO he’s hits a homerun every time we see him.
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Old 11-11-2017, 12:45 AM
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Yes, Missjersey, I totally agree.
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:33 AM
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So apparently Harry broke Army rules by appearing in uniform with his beard

Prince Harry breaks military rules by wearing a beard | Daily Mail Online

Prince Harry has broken military rules by wearing a beard while on official duty in a British Army uniform.
The 33-year-old retired from active service two years ago, but on Remembrance Sunday appeared with prominent ginger facial hair at the Cenotaph in London as a senior Blues and Royals officer.
A serving member in the elite cavalry regiment said: 'Prince Harry is letting us all down. There's no place for beards in the Queen's cavalry. He should have shaved it off for such an important day.'
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:39 AM
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He wasn't on official military duty I don't believe. That's the 'duty' it would refer to, not a BRF official engagement.



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Old 11-12-2017, 02:09 PM
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Sorry I’m not good at posting pictures but maybe someone can. George V had a beard 1919
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:09 PM
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The rule does exist, with the exception of the Pioneer Corp. but he is no longer in the Military so I dont think the rule applies.

Beard ok for the navy; moustaches ok for army and RAF

What I dont understand is why he is wearing that uniform. He does not hold any army post. He does have honourary navy and airforce positions so it would make sense to wear one of those.

When someone leaves the services, they dont carry on wearing their uniform.

There is probably a reason but I have no idea what it is.

EDIT. Have been sent the following by ex army

Full Uniform (which includes headdress and cap badges), may be worn on specified official occasions by ex-servicemen, providing the letter 'R' depicting 'Retired' is worn, is provided at individual expense, and agreed in advance,on request, by the relevant MOD department. It is not however a practice which is encouraged; eg. it is not normal for retired officers to wear their old uniform on Remembrance Sunday, or any other occasion, unless the officer was acting in an official or representative capacity.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:09 PM
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IF it were really verboten [amongst Princes] Prince Michael of Kent would NEVER have worn a uniform, and HMQ would have had a sharp word with her grandson beforehand...
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:22 PM
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IF it were really verboten [amongst Princes] Prince Michael of Kent would NEVER have worn a uniform, and HMQ would have had a sharp word with her grandson beforehand...
But I wanted to know WHY is was allowed, not just accept as thats how it works.
I’m happy now I know cos Ive wondered for yrs.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:22 PM
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Come on, most senior BRF-males have served in several units, even several branches, and hold a position of some sort in up to several regiments.

If they were to conform to the various rules and traditions they would have to be clean-shaven and wear false beards.

In contrast most servicemen (I think we can safely omit most women from this discussion...) belong to one unit at a time.

It's typical of Daily Mail to make a song and dance act out of such a trivial matter.
Has Harry earned the right to wear the uniform? - Yes.
Is he a disgrace to the uniform/military? - No.
Did he wear sandals with the uniform or the cap turned the other way around? - No.
Did he behave in an undignified manner? - No.
So, is there a problem? - Nope.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:27 PM
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Come on, most senior BRF-males have served in several units, even several branches, and hold a position of some sort in up to several regiments.

If they were to conform to the various rules and traditions they would have to be clean-shaven and wear false beards.

In contrast most servicemen (I think we can safely omit most women from this discussion...) belong to one unit at a time.

It's typical of Daily Mail to make a song and dance act out of such a trivial matter.
Has Harry earned the right to wear the uniform? - Yes.
Is he a disgrace to the uniform/military? - No.
Did he wear sandals with the uniform or the cap turned the other way around? - No.
Did he behave in an undignified manner? - No.
So, is there a problem? - Nope.
If this is directed at me let me reiterate - he can wear a beard, and its the DM making news rather than reporting it.

I queried that he is wearing an army uniform because he doesnt hold an honorary position in an army regiment.

How I understand because someone actually thought it was a reasonable question which I am entitled to ask.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:31 PM
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If this is directed at me let me reiterate - he can wear a beard, and its the DM making news rather than reporting it.

I queried that he is wearing an army uniform because he doesnt hold an honorary position in an army regiment.

How I understand because someone actually thought it was a reasonable question which I am entitled to ask.
It wasn't actually.
If anything it was directed at Daily Mail's silly article.

I just believe it is a question of being practical, since royals by their very nature are in a special situation.
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Old 11-12-2017, 03:37 PM
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Full Uniform (which includes headdress and cap badges), may be worn on specified official occasions by ex-servicemen, providing the letter 'R' depicting 'Retired' is worn, is provided at individual expense, and agreed in advance,on request, by the relevant MOD department. It is not however a practice which is encouraged; eg. it is not normal for retired officers to wear their old uniform on Remembrance Sunday, or any other occasion, unless the officer was acting in an official or representative capacity.
Thank you. It's really interesting bit of information.
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:23 PM
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I don’t know if Harry is in the same scenario with his Army commission, but William still holds his three commissions in the Army, Royal Navy and RAF. He even got promoted to Major, Lt Commander and Squadron Leader last January. He just is not on active service.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/235...-s-Iraq-heroes

When Harry gave out medals to the Royal Navy. He wore his Army uniform. So I don’t think he can wear a Navy or RAF uniform. Palmer in the article says he can’t.
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:31 PM
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The idiocy is strong tonight!

The Harry-beard has also made it to the news here in DK. (Mainly because the reporters here tend to copy paste from Daily Mail, In this case it's actually the Mirror though).
https://www.bt.dk/royale/prins-harry...kuffer-os-alle

Alas, the DK reporter hasn't got the foggiest idea about the military.
Somehow the article reach the conclusion that Harry's rank of cornet is equivalent to a Danish second-lieutenant, which is fairly accurate. But then the bomb falls: A cornet is the second highest rank in a regiment(!)

Fortunately there is no rope at hand or there would be a good chance I'd be dangling from a tree right now.

So to you Brits: Our reporters are way more stupid than yours. (We seriously need a thumb-your-nose-smiley)
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:37 PM
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Our reporters are way more stupid than yours.
That REALLY 'beggars belief' !
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:37 PM
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Harry hasn’t be a Cornet for a long time. That was his rank out of Sandhurst. He left the military as a Captain.
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:39 PM
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The rule does exist, with the exception of the Pioneer Corp. but he is no longer in the Military so I dont think the rule applies.

Beard ok for the navy; moustaches ok for army and RAF

What I dont understand is why he is wearing that uniform. He does not hold any army post. He does have honourary navy and airforce positions so it would make sense to wear one of those.

When someone leaves the services, they dont carry on wearing their uniform.

There is probably a reason but I have no idea what it is.

EDIT. Have been sent the following by ex army

Full Uniform (which includes headdress and cap badges), may be worn on specified official occasions by ex-servicemen, providing the letter 'R' depicting 'Retired' is worn, is provided at individual expense, and agreed in advance,on request, by the relevant MOD department. It is not however a practice which is encouraged; eg. it is not normal for retired officers to wear their old uniform on Remembrance Sunday, or any other occasion, unless the officer was acting in an official or representative capacity.
Why are any of the veterans wearing military uniform? The royals are certainly not the only ones in atteandance in uniform. And most of those would be retired veterans.

The royals hold honorary positions in the military, even those who never served in the first place (Anne, Edward). They are all considered to hold certain ranks, and wear the uniforms usually of their most senior rank. That is why Harry continues to wear an uniform.

See the same in Canada yesterday. Veterans who haven't served since WWII will still wear their uniform to events. Does anyone question them? Or is it simply royals it seems odd?

Harry retired as a captain. He continues to wear the uniform in official events.

Perhaps having Actually served active duty in the army, he thinks it proper to wear the uniform. Instead of an honorary uniform in a branch he never actually served.
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:27 PM
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Not sure about the U.K. (or other European service members) but here in the U.S. it is not at all uncommon for retired military personnel to wear their dress uniforms at various events. Weddings, funerals, parades, formal settings and of course anything connected to the military.


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Old 11-12-2017, 06:21 PM
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Not sure about the U.K. (or other European service members) but here in the U.S. it is not at all uncommon for retired military personnel to wear their dress uniforms at various events. Weddings, funerals, parades, formal settings and of course anything connected to the military.


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Yes. Being American, I didn't even bat an eye seeing Harry in his uniform, because it's a common occurrence here in the US. But perhaps there are different rules in the UK.
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Old 11-13-2017, 01:57 AM
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Just an opinion of mine but I believe that *anyone* who has ever served their country in the military should proudly wear their uniform whenever they wish to. They gave of their time and their utmost abilities and even sometimes their lives and limbs to protect those of us that remained back home. We owe each and every one of them a debt of lifelong thanks and should veterans continue to wear their uniforms with pride, we are reminded when we see them of their service.

As Leroy Jethro Gibbs says in NCIS, "Once a Marine, always a Marine".
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