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Old 06-25-2017, 05:15 PM
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Just a great comment RN and I so agree with RJ on her comment about Harry........He needs to be very quiet for a very long time now, I bet my last stick of gum his brother, father, grandmother and grandfather are wanting to shake him and toss him in the dungeon so he learns to shut the heck up..........we the people need and want the monarchy and he has no clue what *ordinary* really is, shopping for your groceries is not the only ordinary thing we done in life, we face the hard times when money is short, when the car breaks down, when the lease is up and wonder what the rent increase will be..........those are some of the ordinary that he will never face.........so please Prince Harry, do what you do best, promote your charities and be very still and quiet and listen to others who know best for you still have lots of growing up to do.
Thanks! And I agree with everything.

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First let me say that I don't believe Harry meant anything he said disrespectfully towards the Queen or the Monarchy. I just don't think he thought through what he said and it is easy to see why the press is running away with this. They probably know as well that the way they are twisting it is not true, but it sells papers and that is all they care about. I wish he would not give them ammunition. I am a little disturbed by the statement that you have in bold. Again, I believe he meant it only in the best of ways, but why does he not think the monarchy can go on as it has under the Queen? What is she doing wrong? The Monarchy is doing good right now. The last thing it needs is a member of the family finding fault with it and publicly stating it. All that is going to do is give the anti-monarchists fuel for their fire. I think the Queen has been and is passionate about the Monarchy. She pledged her whole life to it and has lived that out. At the rate she is going, she may live another 10 - 12 years. So if he wants to "modernize" it, he may have to wait awhile. In saying it can't go on as it has under her, many people could imagine that he is impatiently sitting around waiting until it can be "modernized." While I don't think Harry meant anything negatively towards the Queen in what he said in any way, it sounds very disrespectful on the face of it. I just think he was rash and did not think things through. I hope he is thinking now and will refrain from anymore interviews such as this.
1. I'm in fact very disturbed by it, and I know that many others are too.

2. I don't think Harry meant anything disrespectfully towards the Queen either, but as you wrote, It sounded like it.
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Old 06-25-2017, 09:50 PM
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I wanted out, confesses Harry the reluctant prince | Daily Mail Online
Yet the truth is that Harry is surprisingly thoughtful about the future of the Monarchy, saying that he and William would like to pull it into the 21st Century.

‘We want to make sure the Monarchy lasts and are passionate about what it stands for,’ he explains. ‘We feel that the British public and the whole world needs institutions like this – but it can’t go on as it has done under the Queen.

‘There will be changes and pressure to get them right. Things are moving so fast, especially because of social media, so we are involved in modernising the Monarchy.

‘We are not doing this for ourselves but for the greater good of the people and the Monarchy we represent. There is so much negative in the world – we as a family try to bring something positive.’
I think Harry has had a Freudian Slip, as the saying goes. He is revealing more than he intends.

There has always been a line of thinking that William (and Harry) are not really fond of the royal/charity lifestyle, and would prefer to do less rather than more. I think Harry's comment about 'modernizing the Monarchy' is basically an admission that under William (not under Charles) the Monarchy is going to look very different, suited to the wishes of William (and Harry).

Unless, it just struck me, there is a disagreement taking place with their father as we speak. Now that's possible. Charles may be expecting William and Harry to start stepping-up their royal events calendars, given Philip retiring and The Queen markedly slowing down. William and Harry may not be wanting/willing to step-up. Interesting possibility. Which would mean Harry's comments are a PR attempt to float the pull-back in royal duties as 'modernizing the Monarchy'. If this is the case, it's a very astute strategy that seems to have (at least temporarily) back-fired.
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Old 06-25-2017, 10:36 PM
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Unless, it just struck me, there is a disagreement taking place with their father as we speak.
I think that's one wild theory. But if you read the next sentence, it doesn't really hold up.

‘There will be changes and pressure to get them right. Things are moving so fast, especially because of social media, so we are involved in modernising the Monarchy.

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Oh to be a fly on the wall and not have to guess, imagine or interpret.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:08 PM
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I think that's one wild theory. But if you read the next sentence, it doesn't really hold up.

‘There will be changes and pressure to get them right. Things are moving so fast, especially because of social media, so we are involved in modernising the Monarchy.

Just realized, the idea came to me as I read his words again, O-H Anglophile, in your post, that Harry may be talking about marriage to Meghan. That would be modernizing the monarchy if she continues to work, has her own ideas, they live in another country perhaps, etc.

Social media is definitely having an impact. Hmmm.
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Old 06-25-2017, 11:58 PM
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Harry also says 'as a family we try to bring something positive' (against all the negativity in the world.) That hardly sounds as if he is going to leave the family and go and live elsewhere. Especially as, in another part of the interview he stresses how much he enjoys his charity work and cheering people up. That's more a view surely that he intends to go on doing that (and bringing his wife into it if and when he marries, though he refused to discuss Meghan.)

Also, his and both the Cambridges' engagement numbers are up this year on last's. I believe Harry's are over 70 as of now, according to Cepe Smith. Charles and his sons' relationship at the moment may be strained. I don't know, but it would hardly be about the engagement numbers on this year's figures.
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Old 06-26-2017, 04:18 AM
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According to protocol, after being stripped of 'HRH,' Diana was supposed to curtsey to other members of the royal family, including her own sons!
To go down the knees or to bow is always optional and never an obligation. I am sure that Diana, Princess of Wales (or Lady Diana Al Fayed, whatever), still alive, would never go down her knees for her own sons and I think William and Harry would not expect this from their mother either.
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Old 06-26-2017, 05:59 AM
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I really like Prince Harry , and I am very sorry about what happened to his mother, losing a parent it horrid especially one so young, but I don't want to know weather they are keen or not keen on royal life , they have had a lot of good times and good opportunity's because of there position that they are in , I know its hard having a private life being royal , but you can manage it .
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:07 AM
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Basically, I found Harry's statement about "modernizing the monarchy" as something that has been ongoing already for a while. The BRF does plan things well in advance on how the "Firm" is going to go into the future and I think Harry was reflecting on that.

Just in the time I've been here on TRF, I've noticed the changes. The foundation is one where a lot of Will, Kate and Harry's charity work is done under an umbrella and even with global support. We've seen the monarchy itself jump into social media with Facebook pages, Twitter accounts and the elimination, at times, of the mainstream media to get information out.

These things add to the statement that Harry said (words from Royal Norway's quote) ‘We want to make sure the Monarchy lasts and are passionate about what it stands for,’ he explains. ‘We feel that the British public and the whole world needs institutions like this – but it can’t go on as it has done under the Queen."

Elizabeth II became Queen in 1952. The monarch at that time was still pretty much secular for the British monarchy and the focus was Crown and country and its people. Over 65 years we have shrunk more and more into a global society. This point is well shown by looking at those of us that post in the British royal threads. We come from all over the world with an interest in them. I think Harry means that its very much recognized that the British monarchy is now even an important institution globally and changes are needed to adapt to that.

I have seen no indication that there's been any kind of infighting with agendas in the family whatsoever. If anything, with the announcement of Philip's retirement, an emphasis was put on "Team Windsor" What better way to transition the face of a monarchy between the old and the new than working as a team to implement it? We still see the Queen in her traditional roles and doing things the way she's always done it but yet with the advent of the younger royals more and more on the stage, we see the fresh, new ways of doing things and how they do it. In between, we see Charles and Camilla, the middle stabilizing anchor holding it all together. I would even go as far as to suggest that Charles' reign will be seen as a "transitional reign".

I don't know. These are just thoughts that occurred to me of what might be.
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Old 06-26-2017, 06:32 AM
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CBC News article with another perspective on Harry's comments.

""...."I think there are very striking similarities to Prince Philip's comments in Canada in the 1960s about how monarchy exists for the people rather than for the monarch," says Carolyn Harris..."

'Bit of a loose cannon': Why Prince Harry's musings on the monarchy may not be so surprising after all - World - CBC News
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:17 AM
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Oh I think Harry would love it if he could spend a lot of his time in Africa. Both William and Harry have a love affair going on with that country.

On the other hand, I think Harry also knows what a golden platform he's been given in order to make a difference in this world and has stated so before. He'll find his niche and his balance in things as time passes I'm sure. He's very good at what he does and an asset (for the most part) for his family. I do believe it would be a huge loss for the monarchy if, by chance, they should lose him.
From what I have read other members of the BRF do also (including now dead ones).


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Old 06-26-2017, 09:29 AM
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CBC News article with another perspective on Harry's comments.

""...."I think there are very striking similarities to Prince Philip's comments in Canada in the 1960s about how monarchy exists for the people rather than for the monarch," says Carolyn Harris..."

'Bit of a loose cannon': Why Prince Harry's musings on the monarchy may not be so surprising after all - World - CBC News
There's a name I haven't seen in a long time. Carolyn Harris. I wonder if she's still around TRF at all. She had some wonderful posts to her credit.
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:31 AM
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Basically, I found Harry's statement about "modernizing the monarchy" as something that has been ongoing already for a while. The BRF does plan things well in advance on how the "Firm" is going to go into the future and I think Harry was reflecting on that.

Just in the time I've been here on TRF, I've noticed the changes. The foundation is one where a lot of Will, Kate and Harry's charity work is done under an umbrella and even with global support. We've seen the monarchy itself jump into social media with Facebook pages, Twitter accounts and the elimination, at times, of the mainstream media to get information out.

These things add to the statement that Harry said (words from Royal Norway's quote) ‘We want to make sure the Monarchy lasts and are passionate about what it stands for,’ he explains. ‘We feel that the British public and the whole world needs institutions like this – but it can’t go on as it has done under the Queen."

Elizabeth II became Queen in 1952. The monarch at that time was still pretty much secular for the British monarchy and the focus was Crown and country and its people. Over 65 years we have shrunk more and more into a global society. This point is well shown by looking at those of us that post in the British royal threads. We come from all over the world with an interest in them. I think Harry means that its very much recognized that the British monarchy is now even an important institution globally and changes are needed to adapt to that.

I have seen no indication that there's been any kind of infighting with agendas in the family whatsoever. If anything, with the announcement of Philip's retirement, an emphasis was put on "Team Windsor" What better way to transition the face of a monarchy between the old and the new than working as a team to implement it? We still see the Queen in her traditional roles and doing things the way she's always done it but yet with the advent of the younger royals more and more on the stage, we see the fresh, new ways of doing things and how they do it. In between, we see Charles and Camilla, the middle stabilizing anchor holding it all together. I would even go as far as to suggest that Charles' reign will be seen as a "transitional reign".

I don't know. These are just thoughts that occurred to me of what might be.

It will be interesting to see how things change after Charles is King...and then William (should we all be alive still).....it definately sounds more and more like there's going to be some real streamlining of how things are done...all the 'functions' we see the Queen doing won't probably be seen again...smaller core group (so can we expect only the direct members of the King to be working for the most part after the bigger group retires or dies off?).

Perhaps a focus on charity work as the core....keep the major events like Ascot, the Garden party (couple of the big ones) but all the little ribbon cutting type ceremonies gone?

Interesting...perhaps we aren't going to see Charles move into the palace either...he will maintain his place at Clarence House and the palace will be for tourists any perhaps offices? Makes sense.

William/Harry will have main houses outside London with their 'apartments' at KP.


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Old 06-26-2017, 09:33 AM
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Was Carolyn a poster here, Osipi? How wonderful. I do agree with her comments, of course. I'd forgotten that remark of Prince Philip's. Thankyou for posting the link, DeeT. Enjoyed the article very much!
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Old 06-26-2017, 09:38 AM
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If I'm remembering right she did post quite a few of the pieces that she wrote but for the life of me, I cannot remember her member name at all. Oh for a brain that retains things the way it used to.

Now, it'll most likely come to me at 4am in the morning when I'm just about to fall asleep.
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Old 06-26-2017, 10:37 AM
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I'm still here! - I've been busy in recent years writing books:

Magna Carta and Its Gifts to Canada (Dundurn 2015)

https://www.dundurn.com/books/Magna-...s-Gifts-Canada

Queenship and Revolution in Early Modern Europe

Queenship and Revolution in Early Modern Europe - | Carolyn Harris | Palgrave Macmillan

Raising Royalty: 1000 Years of Royal Parenting (which of course includes info about William&Harry's upbringing!)

https://www.dundurn.com/books/Raising-Royalty

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Old 06-26-2017, 11:14 AM
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There she is!!! Now I know I'll be able to sleep come 4 a.m.

I'm now interested in reading Raising Royalty. I'm about to read a book that I have on order called "King Kaiser Tsar: Three Royal Cousins Who Led" by Catrine Clay and this book sounds like an excellent "go along" book that would widen the perspectives. Also it would add to the perspectives of the environment Harry was raised in and how its changed over the decades.

Nothing pleases a bookaholic more than finding more books.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:33 AM
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Enjoy "Raising Royalty" - Here's the Table of Contents

The Table of Contents for Raising Royalty: 1000 Years of Royal Parenting | Carolyn Harris
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:33 AM
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It will be interesting to see how things change after Charles is King...and then William (should we all be alive still).....it definately sounds more and more like there's going to be some real streamlining of how things are done...all the 'functions' we see the Queen doing won't probably be seen again...smaller core group (so can we expect only the direct members of the King to be working for the most part after the bigger group retires or dies off?).

Perhaps a focus on charity work as the core....keep the major events like Ascot, the Garden party (couple of the big ones) but all the little ribbon cutting type ceremonies gone?

Interesting...perhaps we aren't going to see Charles move into the palace either...he will maintain his place at Clarence House and the palace will be for tourists any perhaps offices? Makes sense.

William/Harry will have main houses outside London with their 'apartments' at KP.


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When we look at foreign monarchies, we see that often the monarch does not reside at all in the "headquarters":

King Felipe V of Spain lives at La Zarzuela and not the Royal Palace in Madrid.

King Philippe of Belgium lives at the Château de Laeken and not the Royal Palace in Brussels.

King Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden lives at Drottningholm Palace and not the Royal Palace in Stockholm.

Grand Duke Henri of Luxembourg lives at Schloss Berg and not the Grand-Ducal Palace in Luxembourg.

King Willem-Alexander will move to Huis ten Bosch Palace and not the Royal Palace in Amsterdam.

Etc.

So King Charles living at Clarence House and use Buckingham Palace for official events is quite in line with the practice in other monarchies.

Denmark is an exception as the Queen indeed lives in one of the four mansions which together form Amalienborg Palace, but she still maintains the tradition of having different residences throughout the year (Marselisborg, Fredensborg, etc.).
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:50 AM
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I just viewed your table of contents and this is now a must have for my collection of books. I so love the history of Europe and the Ancient Near East. In reading history books we don't learn just about the past but of things that can help us with today, if only more people would read history books then the world would be a better place for all of us. Thank you for the info!
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