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Old 02-28-2019, 08:11 PM
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Sorry, but 36 is already considered advanced age for a pregnancy. Asking a couple who love one another want a family, and who are already well into their 30s, to wait an additional 2 years, so they can "be comfortable" is absurd, imo. So many women are already facing an inability to get pregnant at that point in time, no need to complicate it. They face life as a team, so they don't need a grace period.
I ageee...and I think they both knew right away they were committed and in it for the long haul, they knew it would take a year or so to tie up loose ends. By the time they got married they were ready for a baby. I said I don't know how long ago (dating/engagement era) it wouldn't surprise me to see an pregnancy announcement by the end of 2018...they just did it earlier than even I expected since they had the Australian Tour.

The idea they would get married and then wait 2 more years at their ages and life experience wasn't even reasonable IMO. As it is now they likely have time for another child before she hits 40 if they are trying to stay under that age for pregnancies.


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Old 02-28-2019, 08:18 PM
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I ageee...and I think they both knew right away they were committed and in it for the long haul, they knew it would take a year or so to tie up loose ends. By the time they got married they were ready for a baby. I said I don't know how long ago (dating/engagement era) it wouldn't surprise me to see an pregnancy announcement by the end of 2018...they just did it earlier than even I expected since they had the Australian Tour.

The idea they would get married and then wait 2 more years at their ages and life experience wasn't even reasonable IMO. As it is now they likely have time for another child before she hits 40 if they are trying to stay under that age for pregnancies.


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Old 02-28-2019, 08:40 PM
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Right..that's the 'loose ends' I'm referring to.plus I'm sure Harry had to get things sorted out on his end as well.


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Old 03-01-2019, 03:26 AM
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Two rational, sane and responsible human beings met and made a decision to join together for the rest of their lives and have a family. We know of these two human beings but there are none among us that can say they actually know these people and are really qualified to say what they should or should not have done. They're adults and capable of making their own decisions and that's what they've done.

We watched them date, we watched them get engaged and then we watched their wedding and within a few months, saw two happy faces as they announced the impeding birth of their first child. They've both stepped into the royal roles expected of them as if they've been doing it together since time began.

From where I sit, this is an extremely happy couple that not only care and love each other immensely but also have the same goals and expectations of where their future is taking them and embrace it. There have been pitfalls and traps and obstacles along the way but they have been and will handle those together as a team and, to me, that can only serve to make them stronger together than they ever were on their own.

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Old 03-01-2019, 10:59 AM
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Two rational, sane and responsible human beings met and made a decision to join together for the rest of their lives and have a family. We know of these two human beings but there are none among us that can say they actually know these people and are really qualified to say what they should or should not have done. They're adults and capable of making their own decisions and that's what they've done.

We watched them date, we watched them get engaged and then we watched their wedding and within a few months, saw two happy faces as they announced the impeding birth of their first child. They've both stepped into the royal roles expected of them as if they've been doing it together since time began.

From where I sit, this is an extremely happy couple that not only care and love each other immensely but also have the same goals and expectations of where their future is taking them and embrace it. There have been pitfalls and traps and obstacles along the way but they have been and will handle those together as a team and, to me, that can only serve to make them stronger together than they ever were on their own.

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Old 03-01-2019, 11:17 AM
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Well said, Osipi!
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Old 03-01-2019, 12:30 PM
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Sorry, but 36 is already considered advanced age for a pregnancy. Asking a couple who love one another want a family, and who are already well into their 30s, to wait an additional 2 years, so they can "be comfortable" is absurd, imo. So many women are already facing an inability to get pregnant at that point in time, no need to complicate it. They face life as a team, so they don't need a grace period.
Thank you so much, that is so true. Not to mention the FACT that having your 1st child at almost 40, and who know they could have had issued with getting pregnant at 1st( thank god they did not). Not to mention if they wanted more kids. what Wait until what 40, and then try for your 2nd and 3rd at 42 & 45
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Old 03-01-2019, 03:03 PM
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I think she's mostly doing fine, too. However, the truth is that we have absolutely zero idea if "the Firm" is complaining, or is 100% happy with how things are going. Whatever feedback Meghan is getting behind the scenes, we are never going to hear about it, and that's as it should be. We never heard any public complaints when other members of the royal family made mistakes, that's the way the BRF rolls.
Exactly this. And while we're never going to be told about it, I suspect that behind the scenes there's pushback already, or will be, about her friends being so open with the media, companies not being made to sign NDAs and therefore allowed to name drop her, etc. The one thing the British royal family doesn't do is to allow themselves to be surrounded by indiscrete people who would sell them out or speak to the media about them. And while I, along with many others, suspect that Meghan gave her consent to the story from People with five of her friends speaking out, I highly doubt that she consented to the comments being made to publications about her shower, what they did and how much it was exactly what she needed, etc. and I would imagine that she'll see a strong urging from the family about the need to choose her friends carefully, cut out those that are indiscrete, etc.
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Old 03-01-2019, 04:18 PM
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Two rational, sane and responsible human beings met and made a decision to join together for the rest of their lives and have a family. We know of these two human beings but there are none among us that can say they actually know these people and are really qualified to say what they should or should not have done. They're adults and capable of making their own decisions and that's what they've done.

We watched them date, we watched them get engaged and then we watched their wedding and within a few months, saw two happy faces as they announced the impeding birth of their first child. They've both stepped into the royal roles expected of them as if they've been doing it together since time began.

From where I sit, this is an extremely happy couple that not only care and love each other immensely but also have the same goals and expectations of where their future is taking them and embrace it. There have been pitfalls and traps and obstacles along the way but they have been and will handle those together as a team and, to me, that can only serve to make them stronger together than they ever were on their own.

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Old 03-01-2019, 06:40 PM
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Exactly this. And while we're never going to be told about it, I suspect that behind the scenes there's pushback already, or will be, about her friends being so open with the media, companies not being made to sign NDAs and therefore allowed to name drop her, etc. The one thing the British royal family doesn't do is to allow themselves to be surrounded by indiscrete people who would sell them out or speak to the media about them. And while I, along with many others, suspect that Meghan gave her consent to the story from People with five of her friends speaking out, I highly doubt that she consented to the comments being made to publications about her shower, what they did and how much it was exactly what she needed, etc. and I would imagine that she'll see a strong urging from the family about the need to choose her friends carefully, cut out those that are indiscrete, etc.

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Old 03-02-2019, 07:03 AM
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Two rational, sane and responsible human beings met and made a decision to join together for the rest of their lives and have a family. We know of these two human beings but there are none among us that can say they actually know these people and are really qualified to say what they should or should not have done. They're adults and capable of making their own decisions and that's what they've done.

We watched them date, we watched them get engaged and then we watched their wedding and within a few months, saw two happy faces as they announced the impeding birth of their first child. They've both stepped into the royal roles expected of them as if they've been doing it together since time began.

From where I sit, this is an extremely happy couple that not only care and love each other immensely but also have the same goals and expectations of where their future is taking them and embrace it. There have been pitfalls and traps and obstacles along the way but they have been and will handle those together as a team and, to me, that can only serve to make them stronger together than they ever were on their own.

When something is working, you smile and enjoy it instead of trying to fix something that ain't broke.
Very well said, and I completely agree.

It's wild to me to see so open speculation of divorce here. And it's based on no facts at all, just mere, and very negative speculation.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:15 AM
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Please note that several off-topic posts have been deleted. Discussion on the financing of the Royal Family can take place in the Royal Wealth and Finances thread.

Also, let's move on from any discussion relating to potential divorce scenarios - as stated previously, it is speculative as well as being inappropriate.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:19 AM
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So her friends can talk to the press and divulge private information, private companies can advertise on their social media that they took part in the shower (why was there no privacy clause signed?!?).. but her dad gets crucified and shunned for doing the exact same thing. (And no her dad never said a single bad word about her- all his interviews were practically gushing what a wonderful person she is- the only difference in crime is that he gave those interviews to the Daily Mail and GMB rather than people)

Once again, optics and perception.

https://people.com/royals/meghan-mar...union-friends/
Her dad actually said, that Meghan would be nothing without him, how her horrible attitude is from her mother, how Meghan should've treated Samantha better, Samantha and her one sided hate campaign are Meghan's fault. He told details about her previous marriage, how she allegedly served drugs at that wedding. He also asked her for money for his loyalty. He's been telling lies about Meghan in shocking amount of 26 interviews, so far, I think.

So no, comparing Meghan's friends, who have done nothing but support her, to her dad isn't correct.

Having said all that, I think, Meghan as an adult woman should be allowed to decide for herself who she wants in her life and who not. Imho it's not upto strangers who don't know them or their relationship, to decide on. Jmho.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:40 AM
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Exactly this. And while we're never going to be told about it, I suspect that behind the scenes there's pushback already, or will be, about her friends being so open with the media, companies not being made to sign NDAs and therefore allowed to name drop her, etc. The one thing the British royal family doesn't do is to allow themselves to be surrounded by indiscrete people who would sell them out or speak to the media about them. And while I, along with many others, suspect that Meghan gave her consent to the story from People with five of her friends speaking out, I highly doubt that she consented to the comments being made to publications about her shower, what they did and how much it was exactly what she needed, etc. and I would imagine that she'll see a strong urging from the family about the need to choose her friends carefully, cut out those that are indiscrete, etc.
Exactly which friends need to be dropped because they were indiscreet? Iíve seen a few directly attributed remarks that were fairly innocuous. That isnít selling her out. The rest of the shower stories seem to be more (speculative) sensationalism than accurate reporting.
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Old 03-02-2019, 07:53 PM
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I just wanted to quickly say I appreciate the mods taking thr forum at hand and sorting things out. I frequently read but rarely even bother to log in because of the way it's been.

I agree with you Osipi, you put it very well.

I have been wondering since all the negativity and where the out of control, ott media behaviour has originated, and why, since Harry had to step in with his statement. I'm in Australia so I don't know whose who in the UK media. It just seems to me that there is at least a small group of media who really have the knives out but why? Not talking about race, nationality etc. That's just dog whistling. What I'm talking about is why go so hard when that just means the royal family will never give them any kind of exclusive etc. Do they know they've burnt the bridge and are just going hell for leather into Megan as payback?

Just seems this level of negativity is counterintuitive to me and it makes me think there must have been something gone on we don't know about.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:06 PM
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Just seems this level of negativity is counterintuitive to me and it makes me think there must have been something gone on we don't know about.
Perhaps its what has gone on that they *don't* know about. People came to know that Harry and Meghan were seriously dating but we never saw them out and about and they were very elusive. Its pretty much remained that way since too unless Harry and Meghan were out and among the people in their public roles.

"No signs of Harry or Meghan anywhere" doesn't sell and feed information that many make their living doing. The negativity, IMO, is giving Harry and Meghan just cause to avoid them like the plague unless they're "on the job" so to speak and I don't blame them. Hopefully things will reach a balance in the future? One can hope.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:36 PM
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You are right I think, but I feel there is more to it though. All the other royals have gone under the radar over the years for various reasons. The sheer magnitude of the sustained attacks (for want of a better word) and constant negative spin is just out of proportion this time I believe.

As you say though, maybe one day things will settle down. I think there was a turning point for William and Kate when they sued the French (?) media. Maybe it will take something like that to end the juggarnaut.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:52 PM
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I think that the British tabloids really got its collective gander up about Harry's statement re press harassment way back in November 2016. Of course he complained about online trolls as well, let's not forget that bunch, but it was pretty clear that it was the British tabloids that he was having a go at.

Whereupon those rags fell back into plaintive wide-eyed 'What, us? Why?' mode, and their editors thought 'OK! Going to play those games Harry? Just you wait, you ain't seen nothing yet!' Unfortunately for them Harry remains a very popular Royal, a favourite in Britain, so the knives couldnt be out overtly for him. But they could for his foreigner wife. And, let's face it Meghan's half-sister provided plenty of copy to begin with!

I think the tabloids perhaps expected a huge fail by a nervous young woman on the Pacific tour. When that didn't happen they waited until they all arrived back and decided to put 'Princess Uppity-Boots' back in her box. The rumours about Duchess Difficult began with one remark about the wedding tiara by Robert Jobson, others about feuds rapidly followed and were embroidered on and continued through November/December 2018 and into the New Year.

And let's not forget, negative press about someone sells newspapers and is entertaining. These stories are mainly Clickbait, but they are successful Clickbait.
I don't know what they're going to do during Meghan's maternity leave, but there's always Samantha's book about her half-sister, and egregious stuff about the new baby and the way it's going to be reared!
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Old 03-03-2019, 02:46 AM
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Good point about targetting Meghan rather than Harry, Curryong. Of course you are also right about Samantha being the gift that keeps on giving.

Perhaps it's just a perfect storm, a simple confluence of factors that have played out, or been played, as negative commentary and stories. I still feel that this goes deeper though. Perhaps I watch too many whodunnits. :) I would like to see all the suspects gathered in the library where we could all watch the final reveal of who is it the tabloid media (or elsewhere) who is pulling all the strings! On a serious note though, it is actually disturbing to see. Who else could they turn on next? Someone without the money and support of the Britsh Royals behind them. Just how much damage are some prepared to do to get their 6hrs worth of clickbait.

I'm not sure if all my talk about media is off topic but it's just so pervasive it's kinda hard to find something that isn't connected to it in some way.
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Old 03-03-2019, 03:11 AM
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Prince Harry just better had chosen a countryside lady with a discreet family who loves to be low profile. He himself, already a media magnet, married another media magnet with a dysfunctional family even. Do we ever, ever hear about the Donaldson family? About the Westling family? About the Hellqvist family? About the De Lannoy family? No: no one knows them and no any of them has the urge to blabbermouth. By the way: the same counts for former butlers, secretaries, dressers to British royals. What happened with discretion? Do they not know that silence is golden? All those Paul Burrells, Patrick Jephsons, Dickie Arbiters and the likes: blab-blab-blab in media.

I hope for the Sussexes the negative tide turns, but I have little expectation. Look at Marie-Christine of Kent: once a foreigner and a Princess Pushy, always a foreigner and a Princess Pushy for the tabloids.
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