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Old 02-20-2019, 01:09 PM
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If the stories about a lavish celebbies-studded baby-shower on a premium location is true (if...) then Harry and Meghan have zero understanding of what a monarchy is, how vulnerable the institution is and how important it is not to turn it into a soap opera.

Can you even imagine a Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz in combination with "celebbie baby shower"? Or a Prince Willem-Alexander? He would ask: "Where is the vomit bag?"

That marriage with the Clooneys, the Winfreys and the Beckhams, that soap opera with the Markles, and now this. I really hope this is not true. This is so off-key with the rest of the nation who sees clouds and unsecurity because of Brexit. What should the families hit by closures and job losses think of all this? This is so wrong, so vulgar, so un-royal family.
If Meghan has/had a baby shower given by her friends it is nothing unusual for an expectant woman in the U.S.--it is not celebrity or soap opera. (My understanding is that baby showers were not as prevalent in Britain for anyone until more recently.)

Fact is, Meghan was a minor celebrity before she married Harry and so some of her friends are also celebrities. Is she supposed to cut her friends out of her new life?

The drama with a few of her paternal relatives is not Meghan's fault--the fault is theirs. No one should put their bad behavior on Meghan-none of us are responsible for our adult relatives.

Why is visiting friends and catching up, before the baby changes her life even more, wrong and vulgar?
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:15 PM
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If the stories about a lavish celebbies-studded baby-shower on a premium location is true (if...) then Harry and Meghan have zero understanding of what a monarchy is, how vulnerable the institution is and how important it is not to turn it into a soap opera.

Can you even imagine a Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz in combination with "celebbie baby shower"? Or a Prince Willem-Alexander? He would ask: "Where is the vomit bag?"

That marriage with the Clooneys, the Winfreys and the Beckhams, that soap opera with the Markles, and now this. I really hope this is not true. This is so off-key with the rest of the nation who sees clouds and unsecurity because of Brexit. What should the families hit by closures and job losses think of all this? This is so wrong, so vulgar, so un-royal family.
So now there is a litmus test for her friends? First their is no Winfreys, get your story straight. Oprah is not married, she is partnered with Stedman Graham.

I don't remember hearing the same venom at Eugenie's wedding. Seated in the Quire were Robin Williams, Demi Moore, Naomi Campbell to name a few. Was that Hollywood too?

On a side note, the same celebrities that make you want to throw up, are the same ones royals rely on for their fundraising activities for their charities. In these cases their money doesn't sink does it? You don't believe it, go ask the PoW about celebrities financial contribution to the Prince's Trust
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:20 PM
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So the bottom line here is that we know Meghan has been in NYC, and that she has seen at least some of her friends. Aside from that we don't know if she even had/is having a shower, or if so, which of her friends have been invited. With the exceptions noted, the rest is the most rampant speculation.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:28 PM
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So the bottom line here is that we know Meghan has been in NYC, and that she has seen at least some of her friends. Aside from that we don't know if she even had/is having a shower, or if so, which of her friends have been invited. With the exceptions noted, the rest is the most rampant speculation.
At this point, everything that's being delivered to The Mark is speculated to be for Meghan or the baby shower.

And btw, on a general note, their delivery entrance is also easily accessible by road, which isn't surprising given its NYC, and the paparazzi have been taking shots of things being delivered. So much for the theory that she could've snuck out from the back entrance.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:32 PM
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If the stories about a lavish celebbies-studded baby-shower on a premium location is true (if...) then Harry and Meghan have zero understanding of what a monarchy is, how vulnerable the institution is and how important it is not to turn it into a soap opera.

Can you even imagine a Mathilde d'Udekem d'Acoz in combination with "celebbie baby shower"? Or a Prince Willem-Alexander? He would ask: "Where is the vomit bag?"

That marriage with the Clooneys, the Winfreys and the Beckhams, that soap opera with the Markles, and now this. I really hope this is not true. This is so off-key with the rest of the nation who sees clouds and unsecurity because of Brexit. What should the families hit by closures and job losses think of all this? This is so wrong, so vulgar, so un-royal family.
If "families hit by closures & job losses" can cope with having a fabulously rich royal family indulging in very expensive hobbies, they won't bat an eyelid at Meghan's few days in NYC with her friends.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:35 PM
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At this point, everything that's being delivered to The Mark is speculated to be for Meghan or the baby shower.

And btw, on a general note, their delivery entrance is also easily accessible by road, which isn't surprising given its NYC, and the paparazzi have been taking shots of things being delivered. So much for the theory that she could've snuck out from the back entrance.
Why oh why doesn't TRF have an eye-rolling emoji?

I don't see why any royal, from any country, should have to use back entrances when they are on a private visit, unless their security detail deems it necessary.

And, considering that this is a hotel in one of the world's largest cities, I'm sure photographing all of those deliveries is keeping the photographers busy. I wonder if they got a good shot of the 100 pounds of frozen shrimp the head chef requested? (jk)
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:37 PM
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And, considering that this is a hotel in one of the world's largest cities, I'm sure photographing all of those deliveries is keeping the photographers busy. I wonder if they got a good shot of the 100 pounds of frozen shrimp the head chef requested? (jk)
Don't know if it was 100lbs or shrimp, but DM did report eyewitness accounts of boxes being delivered that are labelled with the hotel chef's name and now the speculation is it's all for Meghan and her guests. Nevermind that they hotel serves hundreds. Anyways, I doubt the hotel has that many entrances. It's NYC.

And now it's being reported that, while she's in New York, she's being transported in a State Department vehicle. Yea, she's not the final decision maker on how she goes out of that hotel.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:44 PM
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In my opinion a monarchy needs some distance, some docorum, some sacrality even. I only wanted to mark that a celebby shrugging, in luxury indulging "baby shower" (if true..., if...) is s eh... Kardashian, I can not imagine anything more off-key than this.

The Duchess gets a baby. Where are the times that mommy knitted a woollen hat and auntie gave a Dinky Toy while visiting the mother in blessed circumstances? I can hardly believe the story in DM is true, but if true, if a celebbie-studded "baby shower" is organized on the most exclusive venue imaginable... Really, this is s wrong. It destroys everything. It completely erases the fine line which separates royalty from celebrities.

I hope that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who I really admire, use their common sense, their fine antenna, focus on their life in their beautiful cottage and connect with ordinary Britons and not raise in the Clooney-Serena-Winfrey-Beckham Stratosphere. Diana went that way with her Elton-Michael-Versace-Travolta flings and we know how it ended.
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The discussion about how reporters found out Meghan was in NY, has gone on for pages and pages and the discussion is now just going around in circles. Let’s move on from that topic, please.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:49 PM
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Royals interact with celebrities. We watched two weddings last year full of celebrities. I am not understanding your point here. Meghan was an actress with celebrity friends. Did you really expect her to just drop them?

Meghan doesn't have to sit in a room and stare at a wall because you dislike that she existed as Meghan Markle, working actress before she became a Duchess.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:58 PM
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In my opinion a monarchy needs some distance, some docorum, some sacrality even. I only wanted to mark that a celebby shrugging, in luxury indulging "baby shower" (if true..., if...) is s eh... Kardashian, I can not imagine anything more off-key than this.

The Duchess gets a baby. Where are the times that mommy knitted a woollen hat and auntie gave a Dinky Toy while visiting the mother in blessed circumstances? I can hardly believe the story in DM is true, but if true, if a celebbie-studded "baby shower" is organized on the most exclusive venue imaginable... Really, this is s wrong. It destroys everything. It completely erases the fine line which separates royalty from celebrities.

I hope that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who I really admire, use their common sense, their fine antenna, focus on their life in their beautiful cottage and connect with ordinary Britons and not raise in the Clooney-Serena-Winfrey-Beckham Stratosphere. Diana went that way with her Elton-Michael-Versace-Travolta flings and we know how it ended.
A small party at a hotel is not "celebrity." Even normal middle class folks have parties at various hotel or restaurant venues. For example, my niece's bridal shower and my mother's 90th birthday party in our family over the past year. Again, a baby shower is not by any stretch of the imagination inherently indecorous, a luxury or egads "Kardashian"--if there even was a baby shower.

BTW--I do believe the only time Diana had contact with John Travolta was at the White House, where they were both guests of President and Mrs Reagan.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:00 PM
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In my opinion a monarchy needs some distance, some docorum, some sacrality even. I only wanted to mark that a celebby shrugging, in luxury indulging "baby shower" (if true..., if...) is s eh... Kardashian, I can not imagine anything more off-key than this.

The Duchess gets a baby. Where are the times that mommy knitted a woollen hat and auntie gave a Dinky Toy while visiting the mother in blessed circumstances? I can hardly believe the story in DM is true, but if true, if a celebbie-studded "baby shower" is organized on the most exclusive venue imaginable... Really, this is s wrong. It destroys everything. It completely erases the fine line which separates royalty from celebrities.

I hope that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, who I really admire, use their common sense, their fine antenna, focus on their life in their beautiful cottage and connect with ordinary Britons and not raise in the Clooney-Serena-Winfrey-Beckham Stratosphere. Diana went that way with her Elton-Michael-Versace-Travolta flings and we know how it ended.
I don't know if what you described as how royalty should be is realistic. The fact of matter is it's not a new thing for royalty and celebrity to rub elbows. It was only that way because the media of the day didn't necessarily report it the way they do now. So it a sense, that was a charade. The media landscape has changed. Just think back to how long it took for the media to actually report on the royal family's personal life in the old days. That's not the case today.

And I think we need to keep a more open mind these days about celebrities. Like ALL other industries, there are good and bad people. The three women that have been reported as throwing this bash include one of the all time best tennis players, a world renowned human rights lawyer, and a co-founder of the Shoebox Project. These aren't people to snicker at. Royals have had far more unsavory people as their friends from other industries.
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:01 PM
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Just my two cents but I think the issue here is maybe a clash of cultures. While baby showers are very common in the US, they seem to be less so in Europe, particularly among those who can afford to buy anything and everything they could possibly need or want for their baby. It seems that in those circles, a close friend or family member might give something thoughtful or sentimental but not necessarily the bottles and diapers and baby bathtubs that are the norm at most US baby showers.

I also think that many Americans and maybe it doesn't even matter if you're American or not, see these luxury hotel type showers as very ostentatious, very Kardashian-like, very Hollywood-like when most regular American baby showers involve a couple of hours, a few refreshments, and a host of very normal and necessary gifts exchanged in an aunt's living room or the private room of a local restaurant.

It just seems very much that had she had a small gathering of close friends for a very low key tea and cakes kind of thing with a few small sentimental gifts and good wishes it probably would have gone over better with the look of it than the destination, luxury hotel, State Department SUVs, spectacle it's being presented as. Whether or not it actually is that is hard to say but if it is, it all sort of smacks of a very Hollywood style rather than a very down to earth, low key, Queen keeps her cereal in tupperware like the rest of us type style.
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Just my two cents but I think the issue here is maybe a clash of cultures. While baby showers are very common in the US, they seem to be less so in Europe, particularly among those who can afford to buy anything and everything they could possibly need or want for their baby. It seems that in those circles, a close friend or family member might give something thoughtful or sentimental but not necessarily the bottles and diapers and baby bathtubs that are the norm at most US baby showers.

I also think that many Americans and maybe it doesn't even matter if you're American or not, see these luxury hotel type showers as very ostentatious, very Kardashian-like, very Hollywood-like when most regular American baby showers involve a couple of hours, a few refreshments, and a host of very normal and necessary gifts exchanged in an aunt's living room or the private room of a local restaurant.

It just seems very much that had she had a small gathering of close friends for a very low key tea and cakes kind of thing with a few small sentimental gifts and good wishes it probably would have gone over better with the look of it than the destination, luxury hotel, State Department SUVs, spectacle it's being presented as. Whether or not it actually is that is hard to say but if it is, it all sort of smacks of a very Hollywood style rather than a very down to earth, low key, Queen keeps her cereal in tupperware like the rest of us type style.
I agree with you, whatever it is, it has come across as very flashy and somewhat vulgar. It's like watching Meghan Markle the actress having a baby shower not HRH The Duchess of Sussex.
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It just seems very much that had she had a small gathering of close friends for a very low key tea and cakes kind of thing with a few small sentimental gifts and good wishes it probably would have gone over better with the look of it than the destination, luxury hotel, State Department SUVs, spectacle it's being presented as. Whether or not it actually is that is hard to say but if it is, it all sort of smacks of a very Hollywood style rather than a very down to earth, low key, Queen keeps her cereal in tupperware like the rest of us type style.

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I agree with you, whatever it is, it has come across as very flashy and somewhat vulgar. It's like watching Meghan Markle the actress having a baby shower not HRH The Duchess of Sussex.
What exactly seems flashy or vulgar? The fact that Meghan is staying at a hotel, where some close friends might have held a baby shower for her? Good grief.

ETA: Meghan does not call the shots with the State Department.
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Just my two cents but I think the issue here is maybe a clash of cultures. While baby showers are very common in the US, they seem to be less so in Europe, particularly among those who can afford to buy anything and everything they could possibly need or want for their baby. It seems that in those circles, a close friend or family member might give something thoughtful or sentimental but not necessarily the bottles and diapers and baby bathtubs that are the norm at most US baby showers.

I also think that many Americans and maybe it doesn't even matter if you're American or not, see these luxury hotel type showers as very ostentatious, very Kardashian-like, very Hollywood-like when most regular American baby showers involve a couple of hours, a few refreshments, and a host of very normal and necessary gifts exchanged in an aunt's living room or the private room of a local restaurant.

It just seems very much that had she had a small gathering of close friends for a very low key tea and cakes kind of thing with a few small sentimental gifts and good wishes it probably would have gone over better with the look of it than the destination, luxury hotel, State Department SUVs, spectacle it's being presented as. Whether or not it actually is that is hard to say but if it is, it all sort of smacks of a very Hollywood style rather than a very down to earth, low key, Queen keeps her cereal in tupperware like the rest of us type style.
While she wears her ultra-luxury scarves (with names like Hermes and Burberry) or her grand jewels. Reality is, royals might have moments of thriftiness or normalcy, they are by no means livings a normal person's life with a normal person's budget.
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I agree with you, whatever it is, it has come across as very flashy and somewhat vulgar. It's like watching Meghan Markle the actress having a baby shower not HRH The Duchess of Sussex.
It may be a difference of cultures, but there is absolutely nothing wrong or vulgar with your friends throwing you a baby shower. And if said friends combined are worth billions, they are not going to give you a baby shower in their mom's or aunts living room.
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We actually don't know what is being served and what gifts, if any, are given.

In Meghan's situation, many of her long time friends live in America. Perhaps it was easier to arrange, that Meghan travelled over, instead of all of her friends traveling to UK. Added, that Meghan was always going to stay at a luxury hotel, don't all the royals do? So I don't know how a low key tea at living room was going to be arranged, when most of the guests would've travelled from another continent.

Btw, I personally hate the word 'vulgar' being used, when friends get together to celebrate a baby shower. Jmho.
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What exactly seems flashy or vulgar? The fact that Meghan is staying at a hotel, where close friends might have held a baby shower for her? Good grief.

ETA: Meghan does not call the shots with the State Department.
Precisely, but not only the State Department but NYPD and her RPOs. She does what they say, not the other way around on this trip.
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It may be a difference of cultures, but there is absolutely nothing wrong or vulgar with your friends throwing you a baby shower. And if said friends combined are worth billions, they are not going to give you a baby shower in their mom's or aunts living room.
Nor are they going to do it at your local restaurant considering there is a price tag on your head. There is nothing celebrity about State Department vehicle. It's very much a security issue. NOBODY wants an international incident on their hands and that's why they are involved.
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