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Old 12-05-2018, 07:54 AM
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Exactly! His ego is very bruised. And right, Piers had nothing to do with advancing Meghan's career. Suits was already successful, and Meghan and her castmates were doing very well with no help from Piers. Making the connection with Piers once he reached out to her, was part of Meghan helping to continue promoting goodwill for the show. If anything, it was Piers being a fan and a hanger-on. He loved the show, and he wanted to get advance copies of episodes and insider info. He's admitted to enormous pique at having that access taken away once Meghan began dating Prince Harry. The reason Piers was dropped by Meghan and her castmates is because he could not be trusted. Harry obviously informed Meghan about Piers' untrustworthy tabloid purveyor notoriety in the U.K.
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If she did cut off contact with Piers, it seems she made the right decision.
Let’s look at it from a different side of this. It seems to me that Meghan understood who you can be friends with in a professional capacity and who you can be friends with on a personal capacity and you can truly trust. Rick Hoffman, along with rest of her Suits family, closed up as soon as this became public. I remember reading an article right after Harry’s letter that there were other incidents where the cast was always friendly with press and have a good relationship with them, but once the news came out about Meghan and Harry, you can’t even get them to answer a FB message.

Now as for Piers, he went on and on about his “friendship” with Meghan and disclosed details as soon as he possibly could.

It sounded like, once again, Meghan made the right judgment call about people.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:14 AM
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Think what you will of Piers Morgan, but it is fairly evident that Meghan reached out to him to network and advance her own career. And there is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this-- this is what actresses, and people in all fields, do, as Piers acknowledges. Piers himself has no problem with this. The entire business world is made up of these sorts of relationships. The reality is, though, that the very day she met Prince Harry, for whatever reason, she decided she did not need this major networking connection. (And whatever opinion people hold of Piers, he is indeed a major networking connection.) People can draw their own conclusions about this. Personally, I find it strange that someone would throw away a professional connection that she spent literally years cultivating after one date. To me, personally, this implies that she met Harry and decided right away that she no longer needed important connections in her industry-- in other words, she knew she wouldn't be continuing in the industry. Others disagree and that is ok.
But also consider the attitude we’re seeing on display from Morgan, the assumption on his part that they weren’t just networking connections but suddenly, by way of these professional communications, good personal friends. That’s creepy. And we can’t know for sure what he was saying to her at the time or how she took it, but if a guy like Piers Morgan took my professional networking as a deep and instant personal connection, I’d certainly at least be questioning how much I really needed that connection and whether I could afford to drop him. If he was behaving questionably, ghosting wouldn’t be rude so much as smart. And if, at the same time, I happened to truly develop an instant connection with a prince for whom a contact with someone like Piers would be liability...well, the decision would be that much easier.
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I'm afraid I don't follow. Meghan did not even know Harry when she reached out to Piers, she asked to meet up with him, she asked to be on his show, and she asked to introduce him to her fellow cast members. Far from being a royal insider, Meghan had not spoken one word to Harry or any other member of the Royal Family.

Think what you will of Piers Morgan, but it is fairly evident that Meghan reached out to him to network and advance her own career. And there is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this-- this is what actresses, and people in all fields, do, as Piers acknowledges. Piers himself has no problem with this. The entire business world is made up of these sorts of relationships. The reality is, though, that the very day she met Prince Harry, for whatever reason, she decided she did not need this major networking connection. (And whatever opinion people hold of Piers, he is indeed a major networking connection.) People can draw their own conclusions about this. Personally, I find it strange that someone would throw away a professional connection that she spent literally years cultivating after one date. To me, personally, this implies that she met Harry and decided right away that she no longer needed important connections in her industry-- in other words, she knew she wouldn't be continuing in the industry. Others disagree and that is ok.

And again, say what you will about Piers, but this was a professional networking connection that she cultivated-- his own screenshots are conclusive of this and no one has ever denied it. Anyone would be upset if they responded to someone in their industry and that person took them up on the offer, decided they no longer needed the connection, and cut off all contact. It is rude whether they were friends or professional contacts. Whether others would go on air or write stories about it is another matter-- but then, that is the world they live in.
She met him once. Hardly years of work down the drain.

Do I think it was flat out you are out completely that day? No. However, I’m sure Meghan is more than aware that friendship with media only went so far before the job gets in the way and she had to hit pause. It’s reality. Think about it from this way, do any of us expect Pier Morgan, or any other entertainment journalist, with this type of scoop to keep it quiet for friendship’s sake in this case? No? So why do we expect Meghan to continue the relationship until she could find out what she has with Harry? And obviously, eventually they got serious and it was even more of a closing rank situation.

And say whatever you want about it, but Harry and Meghan did decide there was enough there to be serious with each other early on. By the time it came out, I don’t think Harry would’ve issued that statement had it not been serious. Perhaps not engagement, but they were serious about each other and finding out if they could make it last.
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Old 12-05-2018, 08:33 AM
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And again, say what you will about Piers, but this was a professional networking connection that she cultivated-- his own screenshots are conclusive of this and no one has ever denied it. Anyone would be upset if they responded to someone in their industry and that person took them up on the offer, decided they no longer needed the connection, and cut off all contact. It is rude whether they were friends or professional contacts. Whether others would go on air or write stories about it is another matter-- but then, that is the world they live in.
Piers is deluded if he thought once Meghan and Harry were dating that she would continue any relationship with him. I am surprised he is that naive.

I agree with the comment that he would love to be like Richard Kay of the 90s.

Since Meghan and Harry were serious within a month of meeting, it is not surprising the budding connection with Piers was dropped quickly. Especially once she learned of his reputation in Britain, which is smarmier than his reputation in the U.S. Any message to Piers would have been used against Meghan and outed the new romance. I don't blame her for ending the connection when she did.
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It is obvious that she probably talked to Harry about her acquaintance with him, and it is pretty obvious she was advised to keep her distance. She probably didn't know about his past exploits. Under his stewardship at the Daily Mirror as the editor in chief, there was that phone hacking controversy. Knowing Harry opinion about the Press and the tabloids in particular, it is understandable that they would would to keep him at bay. One does not need to be a rocket scientist to see why he acts like a scorned date. He wanted to use her as an entry to the BRF once the news of her relationship wit Harry became public. Unfortunately for him, she rightly cut him off
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Consider this a show of support for a young woman who is five months pregnant, in a new role, in a new country and has become the subject of such vitriol it would destroy the strongest of individuals.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...iana-1-9477169

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Old 12-05-2018, 09:16 AM
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Consider this a show of support for a young woman who is five months pregnant, in a new role, in a new country and has become the subject of such vitriol it would destroy the strongest of individuals.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...iana-1-9477169
Thanks for sharing @DeeT. I agree wholeheartedly with this writer, and I'm glad she included those pertinent and enlightening references to Michelle Obama, who shares many similarities with the Duchess of Sussex. I definitely agree that they are both strong women whose voices need to be heard in the world. Simply because Meghan married into the royal family does not mean she needs to hide her light behind a bushel. Meghan being herself takes nothing away from anyone else. As the Duchess of Sussex, she has a lot of strengths to offer the modern monarchy. Meghan becoming part of the royal firm is addition, not subtraction.

"There are a lot of similarities in the perceived role of First Lady and a new Duchess. Both are expected to play second fiddle to the main man. But neither of these women was cut out for the role of dancing to that tune. Nor should they be. They are strong independent individuals whose marriages do not define them...

[Here's] a quote from Michelle Obama’s speech when she spoke of the way her parents had encouraged her to make her way in the world. 'Instead of doing what we often do to girls who are feisty which is to put that flame out they found a way to keep that flame lit, because they knew I would need it later on. And to have that flame lit in a girl means that you have to value her voice and let her speak.'"
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Old 12-05-2018, 09:58 AM
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[...] I refer right back to the words Meghan recited from Marianne Williamson's Our Greatest Fear, a number of posts ago (see previous page).

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It's not just in some of us; it's in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others."

I suppose everyone can take from it what they will. But these words most certainly do not mean that Meghan doesn't understand what her role is within the royal family. As I said in my most recent post: Meghan joining the royal family is addition, not subtraction. By being herself, the Duchess of Sussex adds a lot of positives to the royal firm. The monarchy can not continue to exist without changing.

By Meghan sharing her voice and her good works with people and projects in need, how is that 'misguided in her thinking'? Just because Meghan advocates for everyone shining their light in the presence of others does not mean she has designs on the throne. Why on earth are you even characterizing Meghan in that way? Of course she understands the British monarchy's line of inheritance. But does that mean she needs to grovel and hide her own light behind a bushel? She's a person who expects the best from herself and who cares about and encourages others.

Meghan has done nothing out of line. She has made tremendous sacrifices to marry for love. And upon joining the royal family, she has worked diligently to learn, to listen, and to fit in while also not losing who she is as a strong woman with a voice. At the same time, Meghan has muted her voice and began living under the radar, so she is adapting to necessary changes in a new country, a new marriage, and a very different life. Few people could manage to do all that she has done with such aplomb and grace. However, I truly hope Meghan is not going to completely silence her voice or lose herself. And obviously Harry doesn't want his wife to lose who she is either, because he surely wants her to continue being at her essence, the woman he fell in love with.

The British royal family has always seemed to realize the importance of adapting to changing times. QEII has most definitely understood that reality over the course of her 65-year reign. I believe that the Queen is overjoyed at seeing the happy marriages of all of her grandchildren, and in knowing that when she passes, the monarchy is going to be left very strong and in good hands for the forseeable future. If the Queen is not a stuck-in-the-mud thinker at 92 years of age, why should courtiers, staffers, royal journalists, and royal observers be?


As far as Piers, I think the cap to put on it is as I already said, Piers is peeved about no longer receiving free advance copies of Suits episodes. What more is there to say really about PM that hasn't been said already. He's not on the Duchess of Sussex's radar.
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Old 12-05-2018, 11:49 AM
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Excellent post, MaiaMaia_53! Meghan doesn’t have to dim her light to prop up others. She’s doing just fine. That’s why Harry chose her and not others.
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It warms my heart to see Meghan so happy. Not only is she in love and is about to become a mother for the first time, but the British people have embraced her as their own. Everyone also embraced her on the tour. That must fill her with so much joy and that’s not something that can be faked.

Long may the Sussex love and happiness continue!
In any case, we all have a public face when we are in public. Sure Meghan's training as an actor probably has given her some mannerisms, but it's also taught her how to carry herself in spotlight intensive public settings. She's not fazed by cameras, which is a good thing. And she's definitely genuine, kindhearted, and a strong woman.

Indeed Meghan does have the role of a lifetime. It's a role a lot of people wish for and envy, without even understanding the depth and breadth of how difficult it must be. It's a role that many people seem to covet, but few people could manage to embrace and handle with the aplomb, grace and calm confidence Meghan is displaying. It's a good thing that she embraces her role and wants to be the best she can be.

It's easy for people like Nadia to take potshots, but not as easy for some observers apparently, to be inspired by Meghan's example.
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While Meghan marrying into the BRF is definitely an asset, a fresh voice and a woman that wants to make a difference, she's not the saving grace that'll glue the monarchy together. Team Windsor is. Working together as a family and a well oiled machine. Like her role in Suits, she's part and parcel of a cast that make up the "Firm".

I do think she's been abundantly bullied over the least little things that someone can pick up on and has been dragged down, trampled and the brunt of all kinds of imaginary wrongs. A lot of this is due to being the "flavor of the day" and is new and shiny in the limelight and people want to know everything there is to know about her. Massive media attention runs both hot and cold depending on the point of view of the writers and the people who read them.

Meanwhile, I do believe that Meghan is getting on with her life, learning her new role, settling into married life and is preparing to be a mother. She's ignoring the noise and in doing that, it doesn't affect her. I sincerely believe that she may think like I do and that if someone doesn't like her, that's *their* problem and not hers. She's learned over the years to not give rent free space in her mind to things that don't matter. That's strength right there.

Sure, Meghan is a very special person but then again, so are each and every one of us. To honor the late President George H.W. Bush today, I'm going to suggest that we're all part of "a thousand points of light" when we shine.
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...She didn't have to nurture a relationship with him after their initial meeting. She had every right to walk away from that meeting and never look back. Why he feels she owes him something is beyond me? He acts as if she wouldn't be DoS if she hadn't met him. Something which couldn't be further from the truth.
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I'm afraid I don't follow. Meghan did not even know Harry when she reached out to Piers, she asked to meet up with him, she asked to be on his show, and she asked to introduce him to her fellow cast members. Far from being a royal insider, Meghan had not spoken one word to Harry or any other member of the Royal Family.

Think what you will of Piers Morgan, but it is fairly evident that Meghan reached out to him to network and advance her own career. And there is absolutely no problem whatsoever with this-- this is what actresses, and people in all fields, do, as Piers acknowledges. Piers himself has no problem with this. The entire business world is made up of these sorts of relationships. The reality is, though, that the very day she met Prince Harry, for whatever reason, she decided she did not need this major networking connection. (And whatever opinion people hold of Piers, he is indeed a major networking connection.) People can draw their own conclusions about this. Personally, I find it strange that someone would throw away a professional connection that she spent literally years cultivating after one date. To me, personally, this implies that she met Harry and decided right away that she no longer needed important connections in her industry-- in other words, she knew she wouldn't be continuing in the industry. Others disagree and that is ok.

And again, say what you will about Piers, but this was a professional networking connection that she cultivated-- his own screenshots are conclusive of this and no one has ever denied it. Anyone would be upset if they responded to someone in their industry and that person took them up on the offer, decided they no longer needed the connection, and cut off all contact. It is rude whether they were friends or professional contacts. Whether others would go on air or write stories about it is another matter-- but then, that is the world they live in.
I absolutely agree with every word of this. I also agree with the earlier post stating that the problem with Meghan is that she comes across as insincere. I don't know the woman and I don't know any more or less about her than anyone else on this board. I also firmly believe that we're all entitled to our own opinions and impressions and don't get to "smack down" other posters whose opinions and impressions are different than ours (and frankly that "smacking down" is rampant on any board with anything to do at all with Meghan). But she does often come across as insincere. For all the talk of what a strong, independent woman she is I would remind people that women are perfectly capable of being strong and independent without being rude or abrasive. Again, I don't know whether Meghan is rude or abrasive but I can understand why people have that impression and I do think that cutting off a contact one cultivated and asking someone else to do the same when it could potentially further that person's career is rude and honestly, a bit entitled.

It does look suspicious and a bit "calculated" that she cut off Morgan and I say that as someone who finds Piers Morgan nauseating. She cultivated this relationship and then after one meeting with Harry she determined that she no longer needed contacts in that entertainment world? A bit odd, yes? However, it does fit with the narrative that she tends to cut off people quite coldly when they're no longer useful to her or when they no longer fit the image she wishes to project. Now, I myself cut off a toxic father and would never fault her for that. But it looking at a wide variety of her relationships across different settings (family, friends, marriage, professional contacts, etc.) it does seem that once she determines she has no use for someone she quickly cuts them out of her life and that's really not a very admirable trait. Granted, there may be tons of reasons that we're not privy to that led to her decisions but on the face of things it's really not the best look and no one should be shocked that stories are coming out that say essentially that.

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Meghan has done nothing out of line. She has made tremendous sacrifices to marry for love. And upon joining the royal family, she has worked diligently to learn, to listen, and to fit in while also not losing who she is as a strong woman with a voice. At the same time, Meghan has muted her voice and began living under the radar, so she is adapting to necessary changes in a new country, a new marriage, and a very different life. Few people could manage to do all that she has done with such aplomb and grace. However, I truly hope Meghan is not going to completely silence her voice or lose herself. And obviously Harry doesn't want his wife to lose who she is either, because he surely wants her to continue being at her essence, the woman he fell in love with.
Absolutely true, she has done nothing at all out of line. And that's really what all of us, lovers and detractors, need to remember. As far as actually, truly, really stepping out of line, she hasn't. At all. That said, I would point out that while everyone likes to scream about how we don't know the truth and all we're hearing is rumors and you can't believe things you don't know firsthand when the reports are negative, the same would apply to the positive. I certainly would hope that she has worked diligently to learn, to listen, and to fit in. That would behoove anyone who found themselves in such a drastically new set of circumstances. But do we know that to be true? Not really. Not anymore so that we know the negatives to be true. Again it's all down to a matter of perception, impression, and opinion and on those fronts no one's is better or more true than anyone else's. She very well might have done all of those things. She also very well might be demanding, rude, determined to do things her way and her way only, and completely unaware of the way she's coming across. I suspect that in Meghan's case, like in almost anyone's case, the truth is closest to somewhere in between those two ends of the spectrum. Just my two cents, clearly, but while there's no need to vilify the woman when none of us know her personally, there's also no need to canonize her based solely on perceptions, impressions, and opinions.
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When she has friendships that have lasted for decades, one can hardly make an assumption that she cuts off contact when they are of no use to her. Other than of emotional comfort as I'm assuming we are not accusing people of being users on that front.

Meghan's had exactly one friend that she cut off contact with. Well, actually the other party claimed it was her who cut off contact, so it's not on Meghan really.

As for professional relationships. People move on from jobs all the time. At times you stay in contact with a few that you are close to, and the rest you just lose contact with over time. I suppose everybody who has ever lost contact with a coworker can be labelled as a user and cold then.
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A well balanced and fair article from Town and Country....
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...mpression=true

Definitely the best article I've read of late regarding the younger royals. Fair, balanced, admits that things may not be completely rosy while clearly stating that they probably aren't daggers at dawn bad, either.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-46460442
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A university student from Bath and a London teenager are among those involved with a UK version of a violent American neo-Nazi group linked to five murders, a BBC investigation has found.

A propaganda image placed online by the British group suggests Prince Harry is a "race traitor" and should be shot.

Private messages between members show the leader stating that police officers should be raped and killed.

Evidence suggests the leader is Andrew Dymock, 21. He denies wrongdoing.

The BBC has seen evidence he set up the new British group known as the Sonnenkrieg Division.

Mr Dymock, who is originally from Bath and whose father is a dentistry professor, has been studying at university in Wales.
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For the past few weeks, the Duchess has conducted a few private meetings or unannounced engagements. I actually think for the time being, this is good, as it puts the focus and conversation on some of the things she is interested in.
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Saw this earlier. How despicable.
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It’s disheartening but not shocking that the Sussexes are getting that kind of hate. The white powder really wasn’t that long ago. I’m sure a lot more has occurred as well. People noticed their security has beefed up. I’d guess stuff like this is why.
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