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Old 02-13-2013, 06:08 PM
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Who do they think they are???
Human beings.

What if the next time it's a stalker taking pics of them??

Seriously, we don't have a right to take away every piece of privacy from them. It's ridiculous and inhumane!! We treat animals at a zoo better - they at least get taken out of the public eye if they exhibit distress. Catherine tries to do that, and people accuse her of being lazy.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:12 PM
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Well, I don't blame William for wanting to protect his wife. That's what us men do naturally. We protect our family and will bite anyones head off who dare mess with our own.
And that attitude really cheeses me off. Always has; always will. I'd be a lot more sympathetic if I were reading about Kate complaining and threatening legal action. Or, better still, initiating legal action, not just huffing and puffing indignantly. Why does her husband have to be the one doing it? She's a university educated woman who should be standing up for herself. She'd earn some respect from me if she did.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:13 PM
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I personally think they are more annoyed that the press let the world know that they are on a beach enjoying this glorious vacation (rather than flying helicopters, helping out gran with royal duties, home retching from HG, home shooting off email to various charities one represents), rather than the photos itself.

They can't very well moan that their vacation has been made public, so they will moan about the photos. And yes, any comment from their spokespeople is a "moan" or a "complaint" on the matter when other royals, including their own family members, never utter a word.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:14 PM
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William had the fortune or misfortune, depending on how you look at it, to be born Diana's son, and that is the reason he and his wife are celebrities no matter how much they don't want to be. And they are celebrities. Diana made herself and her children celebrities. I am fairly sure that if Charles had married Camilla, or Davina Sheffield, or Lady Jane Wellesley, or maybe even Lady Sarah Spencer, instead of Diana, their children would not be attracting the same level of attention from the public and, by extension, the press.
I think the media would've hounded Charles's children no matter who he had married back in the day. The British royals are one of, if not the most respected and well known royal families on this planet. They are treated very unfairly in many ways though.

I think Wiliam & Harry are very proud to be able to call Diana their mother and probably wouldn't change that for nothing in the world.

Roslyn, I don't think William is threatening to take legal action over the photos. I wouldn't blame him if he did but the royal reporters said that the palace don't have any plans to do much about the pictures. Catherine has stood up for her privacy before and I think if she felt totally wronged, she will do so in the future.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:15 PM
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Just popping in to say that if I had paid a lot of money for a fancy holiday at a fancy resort, and I was lounging around enjoying myself on the public beach near the fancy resort, and taking photographs of the goings-on on said public beach, and William and Kate were also there on the public beach and were mingling and enjoying themselves on said public beach - or even just walking along said public beach - I would take photographs of them, and if some magazine offered me $150,000 or so for those photographs, you can be damn sure I would sell them. No qualms whatsoever.
IMO- That is disgusting. I would say, 'it's all fun and games until someone dies because of these publicity hawkers,' meaning the photographers, but people ALREADY HAVE, all in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

Again, just because someone is in the public eye doesn't mean they should be stripped of their rights.

And there is also something wrong with the people who get a vicarious thrill out of snooping into others' lives.

Seriously, I despair for humanity right now.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:16 PM
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Maybe she needs to pick up the phone and have a chat with mary who seems to have handled the paps well.
Princess Mary doesn't receive nearly the amount of press attention that Kate and the BRF do. The press coverage of the Danish royals here in the US, is pretty much non-exsistence, while Kate can't even sneeze without being on every tabloid cover, news program and entertainment show. I don't think Mary would really be able to offer much advice.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:25 PM
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Princess Mary doesn't receive nearly the amount of press attention that Kate and the BRF do. The press coverage of the Danish royals here in the US, is pretty much non-exsistence, while Kate can't even sneeze without being on every tabloid cover, news program and entertainment show. I don't think Mary would really be able to offer much advice.
I think the other European royals are very happy and breath a sigh of relief that they don't have the same media pressure as the British royals do. They can do their royal duties, live their private lives and take some time off without the whole world dancing on their tonsils for every little thing. Queen Margarethe II of Denmark touched on this subject a bit in her CNN interview last year.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:28 PM
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I agree! And anyway, why should Crown Princess Mary need to give the Duchess of Cambridge any advice? She dated Prince William for almost 10 years didn't she? The Duchess went into her marriage with her eyes wide open and was well aware of the massive press scrutiny she would face!
Crown Princess Mary must be thanking God that she is not in the Duchess of Cambridge's position!
As a matter of fact, I myself thank God that I am not in the Duchess of Cambridge's position!
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:32 PM
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Just popping in to say that if I had paid a lot of money for a fancy holiday at a fancy resort, and I was lounging around enjoying myself on the public beach near the fancy resort, and taking photographs of the goings-on on said public beach, and William and Kate were also there on the public beach and were mingling and enjoying themselves on said public beach - or even just walking along said public beach - I would take photographs of them, and if some magazine offered me $150,000 or so for those photographs, you can be damn sure I would sell them. No qualms whatsoever.
I agree with casualfan, I find this a dire approach. That anyone thinks that its ok to make money from a woman's body (cos that's what this is about) and her baby is very sad indeed.

I'm also surprised at the number of people (women mainly) who cannot empathise with Catherine. The "she made her bed, she can lie on it" attitude is pretty awful.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:45 PM
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:46 PM
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IMO- That is disgusting. I would say, 'it's all fun and games until someone dies because of these publicity hawkers,' meaning the photographers, but people ALREADY HAVE, all in the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

Again, just because someone is in the public eye doesn't mean they should be stripped of their rights.

And there is also something wrong with the people who get a vicarious thrill out of snooping into others' lives.

Seriously, I despair for humanity right now.
Um, every one of us on here, who spend our days and nights hanging out here, get a vicarious thrill out of snooping into the lives of others, the royal ones in this case. Including me. I mean, my God, we know all about them, more than they do. I think we all justify it by claiming it's all high brow with us because we know about all the dead royals too, and claim that that bit makes us history buffs. Let's face it, we here are the ones served by that press. We are the ones who strip them of their rights just as surely as they are the ones who stripped themselves of their winter clothing.

P.S. if you're going to despair for humanity on something, why not save it for children living in famine?
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:49 PM
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I agree with casualfan, I find this a dire approach. That anyone thinks that its ok to make money from a woman's body (cos that's what this is about) and her baby is very sad indeed.

I'm also surprised at the number of people (women mainly) who cannot empathise with Catherine. The "she made her bed, she can lie on it" attitude is pretty awful.
You're so right, cepe. It's the same attitude that some here had when the DM printed a photo taken by a pap when Kate bent over on an engagement - well, she chose to wear a short skirt, what else did she expect? That just makes my skin crawl, because we all know where it inevitably leads. "She was asking for it" has been used as an excuse against women far too often for women to start making it themselves.

Presumably the same people would say that if your house is burgled while you're on holiday, it's clearly your own fault for choosing to leave the country. Your car gets stolen? Your own fault for buying a desirable model. Get knocked down crossing the road? Well, you should've just stayed on your own side of the street.

It would be quite funny were it not so sad.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:02 PM
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Um, every one of us on here, who spend our days and nights hanging out here, get a vicarious thrill out of snooping into the lives of others, the royal ones in this case. Including me. I mean, my God, we know all about them, more than they do. I think we all justify it by claiming it's all high brow with us because we know about all the dead royals too, and claim that that bit makes us history buffs. Let's face it, we here are the ones served by that press. We are the ones who strip them of their rights just as surely as they are the ones who stripped themselves of their winter clothing.

P.S. if you're going to despair for humanity on something, why not save it for children living in famine?
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have no desire to live vicariously thru them. I look at their fashion, I read about their work, and I'm interested in royal history. I have no interest in seeing their every move, especially if it's private.

And by the way, I despair of this situation because it represents a troubling combination of disrespect, unreasonableness, breach of privacy, and an abandonment of common decency-some of the qualities that I associate with man-made disasters like famine, too.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:10 PM
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You're so right, cepe. It's the same attitude that some here had when the DM printed a photo taken by a pap when Kate bent over on an engagement - well, she chose to wear a short skirt, what else did she expect? That just makes my skin crawl, because we all know where it inevitably leads. "She was asking for it" has been used as an excuse against women far too often for women to start making it themselves.

Presumably the same people would say that if your house is burgled while you're on holiday, it's clearly your own fault for choosing to leave the country. Your car gets stolen? Your own fault for buying a desirable model. Get knocked down crossing the road? Well, you should've just stayed on your own side of the street.

It would be quite funny were it not so sad.
It is not a case of "she was asking for it". It's a case of she assumed the risks associated with the activity and should not be surprised at the result. A fine, but important, distinction. If a woman wears skimpy clothes and goes into a room full of drunken men late at night alone and acts provocatively, she runs the risk of being touched improperly or even raped. Doesn't mean she deserves it, or that it isn't assault or rape. Just means she should have known better and shouldn't be surprised.

Just as a person who leaves their house unattended assumes the risk it will be burgled; just as a person who buys a fancy car assumes the risk it will be stolen; and just as a person who crosses the road assumes the risk that a person who is not paying attention will run them down. Doesn't mean their insurer should not pay out on their claim, for insurance is all about risk. It means that people who know the risk should not being surprised, and should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

In the case of Kate on Mustique, don't walk along a public beach in a bikini if you don't want to be photographed.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:12 PM
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I agree! And anyway, why should Crown Princess Mary need to give the Duchess of Cambridge any advice? She dated Prince William for almost 10 years didn't she? The Duchess went into her marriage with her eyes wide open and was well aware of the massive press scrutiny she would face!
Crown Princess Mary must be thanking God that she is not in the Duchess of Cambridge's position!
As a matter of fact, I myself thank God that I am not in the Duchess of Cambridge's position!
OK, let's get real here. Mary is Mary, lives in Denmark and, most important of all, is not Catherine! As is so often said, "you can't compare apples and oranges".

Now to the subject at hand. William and Catherine are both said to be smart, intelligent 30 something year olds. They even have a degree apiece. Could someone please explain to me why, knowing as they did that there was virtual bounty on the first photo of "The Baby Bump", they decided to holiday in a public place and stroll down the beach in swim wear, and her in a bikini no less?

They are both veterans of paparzzi camera shots (many less than flattering) from clubbing in London, saw Harry embarrassed to the nth degree courtesy of camera phones, and yet they chose to put themselves out there, in full view of anyone who knew who they were, and then have SJP publicly whine about invasion of privacy when someone took the absolutely inevitable photo.

It is not a good look. It makes them look like they have an overweening sense of entitlement and I don't know about most of you, but I am wondering what sort of person does that. The rest of his family (Harry notwithstanding) keep their heads down, play the game and pick their battles on solid ground. I was right behind them about the invasion of privacy in France because they were in private at someone's private home where they had, not only an expectation of privacy, but a legal one as well.

In this case exactly the opposite is true.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:16 PM
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In the case of Kate on Mustique, don't walk along a public beach in a bikini if you don't want to be photographed.
But why should anyone want to take a pic of her on vacation ANYWAY? That's the point.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:18 PM
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I personally think they are more annoyed that the press let the world know that they are on a beach enjoying this glorious vacation (rather than flying helicopters, helping out gran with royal duties, home retching from HG, home shooting off email to various charities one represents), rather than the photos itself.

They can't very well moan that their vacation has been made public, so they will moan about the photos. And yes, any comment from their spokespeople is a "moan" or a "complaint" on the matter when other royals, including their own family members, never utter a word.
That's actually not true. The BRF has complained quite a few times. In one of my earlier posts, I stated that the Queen called the leaked vacation photos of Prince Charles and Diana, "one of the darkest days in journalism. Quite a few times, Diana filed complaints and threatened to sue when vacation photos of her, William and Harry were published. She also won a lawsuit when a hidden camera took photos of her at the gym. I also recall Prince Philip snapping at a photographer that was taking pictures of him.

Let's also not forget that the Queen put her foot down and stopped photographers from being able to photograph the royals at Sandringham.

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The new get-tough approach has the full support of the Prince of Wales, Prince William, Prince Harry and other senior members of the Royal family, who are now prepared to take legal action against what they see as the "intrusive and unacceptable behaviour" of photographers.

Several freelance photographers usually spend many hours a day touring Sandringham in the hope of "snatching" photographs of the Royal family on the estate.

However, senior aides at both Buckingham Palace and Clarence House have told The Sunday Telegraph that they will no longer tolerate photographers using telephoto lenses to capture pictures of the Royal family in "private" situations.

Until now, the Royal family has, reluctantly, turned a blind eye to such photographs provided they were taken from public roads and they did not involve trespass on private land. Source
This quote from the article, sums up how William and the BRF feel about privacy.

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"Members of the Royal family feel they have a right to privacy when they are going about everyday, private activities," he told The Sunday Telegraph.

"They recognise there is a public interest in them and what they do, but they do not think this extends to photographing the private activities of them and their friends."
And I'm sure other European royals have made complaints or asked for the media to give them a bit of privacy too.
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But why should anyone want to take a pic of her on vacation ANYWAY? That's the point.
$$$$$$$$$$

If you were vacationing on that beach when she walked by, are you really going to tell us that you would not take a photo if you had a camera with you? Maybe if you did, you would just keep it as a private memento, but I reckon most people would sell if they were offered a three figure sum for their snaps.

People buy magazines because they contain photos of Kate, and - for some reason which I find completely unfathomable - seem to want to particularly see her "bump". And they'll see her "bump" in the raw, unobscured by clothing of any sort, since she's wearing a bikini.
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It is not a case of "she was asking for it". It's a case of she assumed the risks associated with the activity and should not be surprised at the result. A fine, but important, distinction. If a woman wears skimpy clothes and goes into a room full of drunken men late at night alone and acts provocatively, she runs the risk of being touched improperly or even raped. Doesn't mean she deserves it, or that it isn't assault or rape. Just means she should have known better and shouldn't be surprised.

Just as a person who leaves their house unattended assumes the risk it will be burgled; just as a person who buys a fancy car assumes the risk it will be stolen; and just as a person who crosses the road assumes the risk that a person who is not paying attention will run them down. Doesn't mean their insurer should not pay out on their claim, for insurance is all about risk. It means that people who know the risk should not being surprised, and should be prepared to deal with the consequences.

In the case of Kate on Mustique, don't walk along a public beach in a bikini if you don't want to be photographed.
I agree, she should just lock herself in Buckingham Palace or wherever and order takeout for the rest of her life.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:28 PM
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Is there a reason people aren't posting the pictures in the thread? Star magazine has them...

Kate Middleton's Pregnant Bikini Pics Were PUBLISHED! | Perezitos.com

Is her hair naturally curly? It is really frizzy in the cover picture.
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