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Old 02-09-2013, 10:16 PM
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This is when the BRF need to cut the UK press some slack. These pix will not be published by the UK national press. Same thing happened with the French piux.

I think that now is the time to enter into an agreement with the UK press for picture opportunities and formal pix release. Get the UK media to help them (if possible). This may not work but surely its worth a try.

William (and Harry) should realise that not all of the press are the same and generally slagging off the press is a bad idea. I am not advocating the path that Diana took which was to make friends with some of the press reporters and photographers - I mean media owners and a formal arrangement. Perhaps (over time) other media sources (say in Australia and Canada) could join in. It has to be cheaper than buying from a pap and that must be an incentive (she says hopefully with figures crossed.
Well they will always have that memory of their mother being chased to her death by paps. So it's no surprise the hostility towards the media.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:22 PM
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Well they will always have that memory of their mother being chased to her death by paps. So it's no surprise the hostility towards the media.
I agree but there is a difference between paps who chase around to just get pix and newspaper owners who buy the pix. The BRF need to get along side the owners. And, difficult tho' it may be for them, William and Harry need to do this. Its not a pact with the devil. Or if it is, then better the devil you know.

It's just an idea - I can see the problems, but it might help.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:43 PM
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I don't think in the Internet age even gentlemens agreements will work nowadays. All you need is a long lense from a boat and get lucky!
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:49 PM
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Why should they make deals with any of these people? Deals aren't going to stop these people from taking personal pix of them. Just because they won't be released in England doesn't change that they will be released on the Internet. And I don't see any hostility W or H has towards the media, what examples of this are there? I don't get the sense they are their fav people but I don't know about hostile.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:54 PM
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Why should they make deals with any of these people? Deals aren't going to stop these people from taking personal pix of them. Just because they won't be released in England doesn't change that they will be released on the Internet. And I don't see any hostility W or H has towards the media, what examples of this are there? I don't get the sense they are their fav people but I don't know about hostile.
I'll try again. You cant make deals with the paps. - I think we agree on this.

However (just as an idea - don't bite my head off) its the owners that buy the pix. If the BRF did more offical picture shoots etc as the other royal families do, they could (possibly) reduce thge need for pap shots.

Its an IDEA! it has issues but why not think about it instead of just shooting it down.

Hostiliy to the media by William and Harry - well here in the UK it is known about mainly because of the treatment of Diana. As as example, how about Harry's recent comments.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:04 PM
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I'll try again. You cant make deals with the paps. - I think we agree on this.

However (just as an idea - don't bite my head off) its the owners that buy the pix. If the BRF did more offical picture shoots etc as the other royal families do, they could (possibly) reduce thge need for pap shots.

Its an IDEA! it has issues but why not think about it instead of just shooting it down.

Hostiliy to the media by William and Harry - well here in the UK it is known about mainly because of the treatment of Diana. As as example, how about Harry's recent comments.
Again, making deals with the papers isn't going to make the photo taking cease. I believe no1 in the UK published those horrible pix of Kate last year but they were still published in other mags around the world and on the Internet. Are WnKnH supposed be give more photo ops just as a thank you to the British media?
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:06 PM
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OK, so the UK media can't publish the pictures, so they decided to write an article to inform everyone such pictures exist, describe some of the pictures to tempt consumers' appetite and generously "warn" those interested that these pictures will most likely be available in overseas publications.

WOW, how "honourable".
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I don't think giving the media official photo shoots will reduce the number of pap shots. Diana used to make deals with the media, and she was still hounded on vacation and during her private time.

The only thing that would reduce pap shots, is if the public stopped buying the magazines or reading the sites that buy those type of photos.
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I don't know if giving them official photo shoots will reduce the number of pap shots. Diana used to make deals with the media and she was still hounded on vacation and during her private time.
If Diana made deals and they still hounded her to death perhaps WnKnH are going a different route. I don't disagree wih the idea of them being kind and open to a select few who have proven to be honorable; but I definitely don't want to see them make buddy buddy with the mad mags out there jus in the hopes they will act civilized.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:14 PM
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I completely agree with you, cepe. Stoping the hostility towards the media could clearly help them and they need to start to distinguish the papparazzi (with whom they can make no deal) from the press (with whom they could possibly make deals).

The photoshoot idea (like other royal families do) could not work for a variety of reasons:
- while they could make deals with the british press, making deals with foreign media, such as the US, is virtually impossible. so there would always be some magazine publishing them abroad
- everyone is a potential papparazzo, as someone has mentioned, and logically is impossible to control this thing
The photoshoot works with other royal families because since they are far less famous they don't seem to suffer from the first problem (foreign press) and also people in their countries seem to be more concious of the royal's privacy, thus they don't face the second problem.

Nonetheless, I thing they should try. As an experiment, to see how it works. Even if it didn't work in moments like this, of holidays abroad, at least when in their daily moments back in the UK, the press could leave them alone
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Pregnant Kate + Holiday = Bikini = Bump photos. It's a no brainer for the paps.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:38 PM
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If Diana made deals and they still hounded her to death perhaps WnKnH are going a different route. I don't disagree wih the idea of them being kind and open to a select few who have proven to be honorable; but I definitely don't want to see them make buddy buddy with the mad mags out there jus in the hopes they will act civilized.
Yep, I see them going the opposite way of his mother. He saw that it didn't work for her, so he's not even going down that road.

Although William isn't fond of photographers, there do seem to be one or two that he is comfortable around. Arthur Edwards told a story about how during the trip home from Tuvalu, Kate and William were looking through his (Edwards) photos and joking around. He said William asked him not to publish one of the pictures, because the guys at the base would make fun of it.
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When Kate gives birth, the paps will try and scale the outside of the hospital and peer into the window as they did at Crown Princess Victoria's birth in 1977.

As long as people are willing to click on the articles with such photos, these two will never have privacy. No deals are possible. Even if she were seen everyday out and about, the photos will have a bounty on them because they are not photos of her working. (Not trying to rehash that argument here - just saying this is why a deal is now virtually impossible.)
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Robert Jobson ‏@theroyaleditor Kate bump pics: It is unclear whether photographer was on Mustique or if new snaps were taken from a boat offshore.
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Kate bump pics: Royal aide said: “This is unfortunate. They get absolutely no privacy whatsoever.”
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Kate bump pics: This was surely inevitable from the moment they stepped onto the plane to Mustique? It is unfair, but paps supply a market.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:02 AM
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But then there's the holiday. I think choosing such an expensive and distant destination at the current time demonstrates another error of judgment on their part.
Willem-Alexander and Maxima goe to Argentina to be with Maxima's parents and William & Catherine go to Mustique to be with her parents - where's the difference? Or maybe Catherine just wants to enjoy a bit of time without having to wear warm, fastly becoming too tight clothes? In the UK it's winter, in Mustique eternal spring- which is the nicest season for a mother-to-be. Not too warm but definately nicer than winter.
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Old 02-10-2013, 02:12 AM
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Pregnant Kate + Holiday = Bikini = Bump photos. It's a no brainer for the paps.
She could have bought a burkini, though.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:28 AM
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I think the Cambridge's privacy should be respected but if there pictures out there, I think the royal couple should've expected that to happen. Those paps is just waiting to get pictures of the Catherine's bump. If true, I hope none of the pics are published. Leave those folks alone.
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Old 02-10-2013, 03:29 AM
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OK, so the UK media can't publish the pictures,
They can. They choose not to.
If these guys expected anything less than this, from any media worldwide they were kidding themselves.
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Old 02-10-2013, 04:11 AM
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on the other hand, a couple of pictures boarding a plane out of a whole holiday of one week does not seem like harrasing.
people like knowing about them and they don't perform a huge amount of engagements at this stage: maybe if the press office of the RF rethought their strategy for them, and if people were used to seeing them more, the paps would not be chasing them for pictures on their private holiday. maybe something as simple as a photocall at the start of the vacation (like the dutch or the danish royals do) would satisfy their curiosity.
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I think it's an idea that could work. Even though the paps wouldn't agree to it, the existence of the fairly taken photos would reduce the value of the photos taken by the paps. If papers publish a few photos of them on vacation, then another snap taken by the paps would not be so newsworthy. Unfortunately, for the Duke and Duchess, they will still not have the freedom to do whatever they want because there will still be money out there for photos like those in France but the value of the ordinary vacation photos will plummet.
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