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Old 02-06-2013, 09:04 PM
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Blah, blah,blah. Some people on this thread should just grow up. A full time military man and his wife are taking a vacation. If your life is so bad that you resent that, then maybe you should go back to school so you can better yourself, then maybe you wouldn't be so negative.
Personal attacks on the opinions of those with whom you disagree, even generalized ones, do not add to the strength of your counterargument. In fact it detracts from it.

Questions about the empathetic role the royal family plays in the lives of its people is not a sign of "resentment." They are legitimate questions of the interplay of government (and yes, the future head of state who performs royal duties is part of the government, or at least part of a hereditary ruling class) and the people it serves.

You advise people with whom you disagree to "grow up." Are questions about class structure and governmental structure NOT within the purview of the wise. What in the arguments about the royal family's role when the lives of the ordinary citizen is strained financial do you find childish?

As for Will's money, yes a working man should be able to take his pregnant wife on vacation. All working men. I highly doubt that Will's coworkers can afford the same vacation for their pregnant wives. Will's money comes from his very privileged status NOT hard work on his part. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Will and Kate have no vacations - what people ARE suggesting is that Will show more empathy and compassion for the British people and NOT flaunt his great wealth and privilege (none of which he earned), but rather show a little gratitude for his position and comfort.

I for one do not resent Will's vacations and status. I live very well, and certainly do not live the life of the average Brit that I am reading about. "Resentment," "envy," "jealously" are very weak arguments when raising questions about economics, government, class structure, and overall equality, or at least just compassion, knowledge and empathy for the people you will one day serve as head of state.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:08 PM
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Blah, blah,blah. Some people on this thread should just grow up. A full time military man and his wife are taking a vacation. If your life is so bad that you resent that, then maybe you should go back to school so you can better yourself, then maybe you wouldn't be so negative.
Why is it that whenever someone posts something that is anything other than 100% supportive of William and Kate, they get told to grow up, stop posting, blah blah blah?

While I can't speak for anyone else here who has dared to voice criticism, my life is quite good, thank you. And for the record, I have a Bachelor's degree, a Master's degree, and just finished a certification program as well. I haven't ruled out a PhD, if I can find the time and money, but I fail to see how this might change my opinion of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:17 PM
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The reason that people (including the William and Kate) are not sensitive to other people's suffering is simply the fact that they don't care.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:26 PM
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Blah, blah,blah. Some people on this thread should just grow up. A full time military man and his wife are taking a vacation. If your life is so bad that you resent that, then maybe you should go back to school so you can better yourself, then maybe you wouldn't be so negative.
I knew there was something wrong with this conversion, the usual "grow up", "resent", envy" blah blah blah post was missing. here it is
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:26 PM
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Okay folks....lets all go back to our corners for a breather shall we?

Surely its possible to have a civil discussion with people who don't hold the same opinion as you?

Likewise, while we are all here to discuss the Cambridge's Current Events which includes this vacation, let's not assume that we know what they are thinking or that we have the right to speak on their behalf.

So it goes without saying that rude and nasty posts as well as posts that indicate that the poster knows the inner thoughts of William and Catherine will be deleted without notice.

Thank you.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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The reason that people (including the William and Kate) are not sensitive to other people's suffering is simply the fact that they don't care.

Hmmm they seemed rather sensitive to peoples suffering when they made a point of visiting burned out areas of your province when they were there in 2011 and when they visited areas of the Uk damaged by the riots.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:31 PM
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Dang...are the Danish royals getting this much hassle for their current (luxury) vacation?

I was under the impression that the Middletons were paying for this vacation, so William is technically not flaunting anything.
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Old 02-06-2013, 09:54 PM
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Hmmm they seemed rather sensitive to peoples suffering when they made a point of visiting burned out areas of your province when they were there in 2011 and when they visited areas of the Uk damaged by the riots.
And visiting the areas affected by Cyclone Yasi in FAQ
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:00 PM
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In this day and age, the Queen has no subjects and does not govern. And, monarchy is apparently on the decline... I would have thought their priority would be making sure that they are connected with their people and show empathy and understanding. Instead I am seeing more and more people react as Angieuk has because of their inability to monitor their timing and choices. It is devastating to watch the struggles going on at the moment. It is shocking to watch the RF not be sensitive enough to the suffering.

I ask again. Was it necessary to take such a luxurious break? What were they thinking?

Their PR machine must be frustrated, they would know this was going to be an issue. I hope they get huge salaries, they deserve it!!
Since the monarchy has record support. I think a poll during the Jubilee had it at 80% The highest it had been for a very long time. The average is between 60 to 75% support.
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Old 02-06-2013, 10:04 PM
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The reason that people (including the William and Kate) are not sensitive to other people's suffering is simply the fact that they don't care.
I think that's a little harsh. Evidence from those who have met them suggests otherwise. I think this couple has a great deal of compassion, and just because they went on a holiday that the Middleton family takes every year doesn't mean they don't care about others. It's not their fault that there are those who are unemployed or living in poverty. People have to realize that in reality, no one is equal. There will always be someone who is more intelligent, more wealthy, has more opportunities, etc. That's how life works. I know that if I had the kinds of opportunities the Cambridges have in terms of travel and what not, I would take advantage of them at every possible moment. As has been pointed out, they're not full-time royals, so if they want to travel, and holiday in fancy resorts, that's their business. William is far from poor, so he can definitely use some of his inheritance for a trip with his wife and in-laws.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:03 PM
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Didn't they take a vacation for a few days after their Asian tour last fall?

Also, FYI, disreputable websites which feature paid advertisements with blogs and social commentary DO have their employees and interns create personas, and then are told to make Iprovoking comments to stir up commentary and interest. My son had that experience.
I certainly would not be surprised if on line tabloids did the same.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:16 PM
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Since the monarchy has record support. I think a poll during the Jubilee had it at 80% The highest it had been for a very long time. The average is between 60 to 75% support.
I was referring to their loss of power and influence. Corrosion of entitlements, etc. However I also see decline with regards to the Commonwealth.

Should have explained myself better.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:18 PM
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Not to detract from the ongoing discussion on whether or not a vacation is appropriate at this time for Will and Kate, I am wondering what their response is going to be for the people in and around the Solomon Islands they visited last year after the recent earthquake and devastating tsunami that followed.

Will and Kate really seemed to enjoy their time there and the people they met so naturally I thought of them when I first heard the news on this earthquake. Hopefully we'll get an announcement of some kind.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:22 PM
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Not to detract from the ongoing discussion on whether or not a vacation is appropriate at this time for Will and Kate, I am wondering what their response is going to be for the people in and around the Solomon Islands they visited last year after the recent earthquake and devastating tsunami that followed.

Will and Kate really seemed to enjoy their time there and the people they met so naturally I thought of them when I first heard the news on this earthquake. Hopefully we'll get an announcement of some kind.
Same thing w/me when I heard the news last night. I'm sure we'll be hearing something soon.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:23 PM
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I agree with, Zonk. I think we all just need to calm down. There are several royals who are on or are going on vacation. They all have been busy and they want to take some time to be with their families. There's nothing wrong with that.

Also, I do think it's very important to point out that the royals do care about those who are less fortunate. They lend their royal patronage to countless charities and organizations that deal with the poor, hungry and sick. They're not dissing or ignoring those who have very little by going on these vacations. They're vacations may be on the expensive side but it does not mean they don't care about others who are struggling.

I agree, when the news about the earthquake and tsunami in the Solomon Islands, I thought about the Cambridge's tour and I hope The Queen send them a message of their thoughts and prayers.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:25 PM
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If I remember well Charles and Diana took a holiday to the Caribbean when Diana was pregnant with William ( remember the infamous photos of Diana in her pink bikini) and I don't remember any furore at the time so I am not sure why there is one now.
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Didn't they take a vacation for a few days after their Asian tour last fall?
No they didn't go on vacation. William went back to work after the tour.
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:41 PM
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If I remember well Charles and Diana took a holiday to the Caribbean when Diana was pregnant with William ( remember the infamous photos of Diana in her pink bikini) and I don't remember any furore at the time so I am not sure why there is one now.
Diana, my mother tells me, worked hard all the way up to her children's birth and was even photographed sleeping at an event .

She was also a different generation and very young so I think folks "cut her some slack" (and there is no way I am letting my Mom see this last paragraph!)
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Old 02-06-2013, 11:50 PM
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Diana had a difficult time during her pregnacies but she was also The Princess of Wales (fulltime) and she was pushed to do a great deal. While pregnant, Diana often appeared glum and making those public appearences while in those conditions weren't easy for her.
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Diana, my mother tells me, worked hard all the way up to her children's birth and was even photographed sleeping at an event .

She was also a different generation and very young so I think folks "cut her some slack" (and there is no way I am letting my Mom see this last paragraph!)
The event she fell asleep at was very early in her pregnancy- it's actually what prompted the pregnancy announcement, much like Kate's hospitalization is what prompted hers.
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