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Old 02-06-2013, 06:09 PM
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The Queen Mother one was the only one that really bothered me. It was made worse when virtually the whole family show up. Sometimes I think the York Girls are more up to it.
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Sigh. I suppose people will still be posting about the Mustique trip long after they return or until something more important comes along, like a new hairdo or dress or bikini bump pic, that will get people even more worked up about.
Even when Catherine does attend an official engagement people rarely post too much about the merits of the organization she is visiting. No its her hair ( she should have worn it up), her clothes (OMG she showed her knees, pass the smelling salts), her shoes (nude heels, ugh) or her jewels (why isnt she wearing a tiara) or her makeup (too heavy) that people are more interested in.
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No, they weren't the only ones. Zara and Prince Edward (who funny enough was at the same ski resort attending an engagement), also missed the Queen Mother's memorial.

As for the Paralympics, yes they did miss the closing, but they attended the opening and a number of the events.

Since the palace has announced that Kate is feeling better and will be returning to public duties on the 19th, this trip obviously doesn't come at a time when she is too ill to do public duties.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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They weren't patron of the paralympics or even the olympics. They said she was getting better and continue to get better from her HG and has been working with her charity and will have a public engagement on February 19.

The trip last skiing trip last March like the trip to Mustique is a Middleton family tradition.

Did Zara and Peter go to the memorial?

I don't know why people are acting like the palace lied about her being sick when she was hospitalized.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:17 PM
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IIRC, the ski trip meant they were the only family members missing at the Queen Mother's memorial, the 3 day trip to France was during the Closing Ceremony of the Paralympic Games, of which they were patrons, and now this trip, with it's 8+ hour plane trip comes at a time when we have been told Kate is too ill to do any official engagements.

There may very well be perfectly reasonable explanations for all this, but as I said earlier in the thread, image is very important for Royals (rightly or wrongly) and this simply does not look good. Especially when Kate in particular seems to have a reputation (justified or not) in some quarters of being less than hard-working.

Well-put!
I honestly don't grudge William and Kate a vacation, and if they had taken a break somewhere in Britain, then nothing would have been said, imo. But Mustique has a reputation as a playground for the wealthy, and with so many of their countrymen struggling to just get by, it looks self-indulgent and heartless for them to go there.

Also, Kate is giving the impression that she's fine to do what she wants to do but her royal engagements...not so much.
The whole thing is a PR disaster.

I hope when they return they will step up their royal engagements somewhat, and try to indicate that they do care about other people.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:18 PM
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Sigh. I suppose people will still be posting about the Mustique trip long after they return or until something more important comes along, like a new hairdo or dress or bikini bump pic, that will get people even more worked up about.
Even when Catherine does attend an official engagement people rarely post too much about the merits of the organization she is visiting. No its her hair ( she should have worn it up), her clothes (OMG she showed her knees, pass the smelling salts), her shoes (nude heels, ugh) or her jewels (why isnt she wearing a tiara) or her makeup (too heavy) that people are more interested in.
Lol, so true


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No, they weren't the only ones. Zara and Prince Edward (who funny enough was at the same ski resort attending an engagement), also missed the Queen Mother's memorial.

As for the Paralympics, yes they did miss the closing, but they attended the opening and a number of the events.
Yes they did, iirc not many royals show up to the Paralympics
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:20 PM
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If being a RAF rescue pilot (or working as a emergency response personel) isn't caring about other people I don't know what is
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:30 PM
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If being a RAF rescue pilot (or working as a emergency response personel) isn't caring about other people I don't know what is?
True, and I don't recall any of the people he has lifted from the sea or off the side of a mountain saying "no, no , no, leave me here, you should be cutting a ribbon somewhere, I'll wait for the next helicopter while you do that". In fact they didn't seem to have any complaints at all that he was working in the SAR and not cutting ribbons, reviewing troops or giving a talk on animal husbandry to the local agricultural society. Pretty sure they didnt ask why his wife wasn't with him either.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:31 PM
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Prince William and Kate gets ‘Thanks’ for Big C recovery from nine-year-old leukaemia sufferer | The Sun |News

Another article which is quite similar to the one in Hello! but as you can see Wills and Kate do try their best to keep in touch with those they meet from their charities.
Thank you for sharing this. Definitely brightened up my day. I wish that sometimes people would actually focus on the good that this couple can do, even if it's not in full-time capacity just yet.

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I have never believed that Catherine is the issue, it is all about William. He, as many have said, is enjoying the perks and not doing the royal work. I think Artemesia's post explained that very well.

but it seems that he only wants Catherine to work along side him. She absolutely blossomed when he was in the Falklands and then he comes home and she does nothing by way of royal duties.

I believe her illness was genuine because he is currently working in Wales and she is in London. That wouldn't happen if she had been well. away from him, she is beginning to book engagements. He is staying in Wales because he wants to improve his flying hours, an indication that he is staying in the RAF, not turning to full time royal when the French pictures materialised during the tour, it was Catherine that handled the situation, William sulked.

She is doing her best but loves and supports William. He needs to learn that the nonsense of wanting to be normal is just that - nonsense. And he needs to pay attention to public opinion, and the Queen and Prince Charles need to sort him out. Basically he's spoilt.
This is a very interesting point of view, and one I personally never thought to consider, because Catherine struck me as someone who could stand up for herself and what she felt was right for her. However, now it's a whole different ball game, because she has to follow William's lead in some cases, and perhaps not just William, but the rest of the RF is trying to prevent another Diana-type mania (which is in full swing as is). I can definitely picture William as someone who can sulk and get a little bratty, but on the grand scheme of things, we all can behave in such manner when something doesn't go our way, or we don't like an outcome of a situation. I think, at the end of the day, this couple will figure out what's best for them, but I'm skeptical about them caring all that much about public opinion. As to the holiday, why the heck not? Was the time right? Perhaps not, but it's over and done, so perhaps we should all move on to something else.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:34 PM
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They weren't patron of the paralympics or even the olympics. They said she was getting better and continue to get better from her HG and has been working with her charity and will have a public engagement on February 19.

The trip last skiing trip last March like the trip to Mustique is a Middleton family tradition.

Did Zara and Peter go to the memorial?

I don't know why people are acting like the palace lied about her being sick when she was hospitalized.
No, Zara (or Mike) wasn't there. I think the speculation was that she was training for the Olympics. Peter wasn't there because Autumn had given birth the day before. And Prince Edward had an engagement in France.

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So true.

There have been quite a few articles posted that reveal how Wiiliam and Kate keep in constant contact with the people they meet. If that doesn't show they care about others, then I don't know what does.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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IIRC, the ski trip meant they were the only family members missing at the Queen Mother's memorial, the 3 day trip to France was during the Closing Ceremony of the Paralympic Games, of which they were patrons, and now this trip, with it's 8+ hour plane trip comes at a time when we have been told Kate is too ill to do any official engagements.

There may very well be perfectly reasonable explanations for all this, but as I said earlier in the thread, image is very important for Royals (rightly or wrongly) and this simply does not look good. Especially when Kate in particular seems to have a reputation (justified or not) in some quarters of being less than hard-working.
That's what I think too. For me is not so much how many holidays they take, it's the timing of their holidays, the 3 of them had a wrong timing which gives the impression to those that don't follow their activities so much (ie, the majority of people) that they put holidays first, royal work second. While that may not be true, is what it looks like seen from outside, and I think they should pay more attention to it
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:51 PM
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Blah, blah,blah. Some people on this thread should just grow up. A full time military man and his wife are taking a vacation. If your life is so bad that you resent that, then maybe you should go back to school so you can better yourself, then maybe you wouldn't be so negative.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:58 PM
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Blah, blah,blah. Some people on this thread should just grow up. A full time military man and his wife are taking a vacation. If your life is so bad that you resent that, then maybe you should go back to school so you can better yourself, then maybe you wouldn't be so negative.
It seems to me that it is exactly the "full time military man" part that people resent the most. It appears they would much rather he and his wife were out cutting ribbons, waving fron car windows, reviewing troops, unveiling plaques etc......and most important of all see new clothes on Catherine that can be commented on and dissed.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:59 PM
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That's what I think too. For me is not so much how many holidays they take, it's the timing of their holidays, the 3 of them had a wrong timing which gives the impression to those that don't follow their activities so much (ie, the majority of people) that they put holidays first, royal work second. While that may not be true, is what it looks like seen from outside, and I think they should pay more attention to it

And yet in August and September when the majority of the royal family are on vacation in Scotland, Will and Kate were at their peak public appearances and visibility. The reality is the William's court calendar is not the same as his father's, nor his grandmother's. First, he factors in his RAF time commitment, then you have the anchors of the Royal Calendar (Trooping, Knight of the Garter, Remebrance Day etc) add to it an Olympic year and a Diamond Jubilee year, throw a royal tour in ... and try to keep a few dates with the in-laws and oh yes his wife is pregnant. Anyone with family commitments knows juggling vacation schedules can be a logistical headache - its no wonder if they get some time, they take a few days here and there. its only going to get more complicated with children - then you have the school calendar to respect.

They went on a vacation - that probably has been planned for months. When Kate got sick in December, they werent sure she would make it - but that time had most likely long since been blocked out on their calendar and he had put in for vacation from the RAF.... she was feeling well, they went. it is a freezing cold Winter in UK and a few days in the sun will be a nice break before they get back to the royal season. Feb - Jun should be very busy for them getting ready for a new baby and moving into a new home and whatever changes come along with William's career.

I hope they enjoy the time.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:02 PM
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This trip isn't a PR disaster, it's just people online trying to make more of than it really is.

I know a great deal of people were disappointed that the Cambridge's and other members of the royal family missed the memorial service of The Queen Mother & Princess Margaret but their plans were made well in advance and I'm sure The Queen understood it. Sometimes plans clash with others.

The palace isn't lying about Catherine's condition. They have mentioned that she's getting better, working behind the scenes and will resume her official public official engagements. She's not putting her royal role off in any way.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:09 PM
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I know a great deal of people were disappointed that the Cambridge's and other members of the royal family missed the memorial service of The Queen Mother & Princess Margaret but their plans were made well in advance and I'm sure The Queen understood it. Sometimes plans clash with others.
I would hope she understood it because it is not as if she hasn't missed a funeral or a memorial service in her lifetime.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:17 PM
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I would hope she understood it because it is not as if she hasn't missed a funeral or a memorial service in her lifetime.
I'm also sure their thoughts and prayers were with the family too.
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:34 PM
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I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I think being sarcastic is unhelpful. I am entitled to have my say as well as anyone else.

Re sulking - take a look at the pictures on the day the news broke. National newspapers even commented on it.

When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.

For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
1. I'm sorry if I offended.
2. You're faulting William for being publicly upset about a gross breach of privacy against his wife and accusing him of doing nothing but looking unhappy, do I have that correct?
3. SRF and this vacation - apples and oranges. Spain needed to be bailed out by the EU, UK has option to leave the EU because the EU might be dragging the British economy down, and the UK pound is so strong compared with its international brethren, it might as well be renamed the Chuck Norris currency.
3. Agree with you about delineating Williams's RAF duties, but it wouldn't help anyway- people would still criticize them because they are high profile.

I'm starting to think the only prob with this vacation is the timing, but there's very little that WandK could control-it's when her family was going, it's when he has time off, it's before her public duties resume, etc.
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I'm really glad they have gone on holiday. I always knew they were lazy; and any respect I had for them has completely gone now.

I am out of work and living on baked beans and soup and struggling to pay my bills.

This has given me the kick I needed to walk away. I couldn't care less how many engagements she does in February or onwards, it is all a great big public sham! I won't be tuning in to any of it again. Time to get back to the real world and leave these spoilt indulgent people far behind!
In this day and age, the Queen has no subjects and does not govern. And, monarchy is apparently on the decline... I would have thought their priority would be making sure that they are connected with their people and show empathy and understanding. Instead I am seeing more and more people react as Angieuk has because of their inability to monitor their timing and choices. It is devastating to watch the struggles going on at the moment. It is shocking to watch the RF not be sensitive enough to the suffering.

I ask again. Was it necessary to take such a luxurious break? What were they thinking?

Their PR machine must be frustrated, they would know this was going to be an issue. I hope they get huge salaries, they deserve it!!
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Old 02-06-2013, 07:52 PM
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In this day and age, the Queen has no subjects and does not govern. And, monarchy is apparently on the decline... !
Where did you get the idea that the monarchy is in decline? Support is as high as it always has been. Pretty consistent 75% or more. Most democratic politicians would kill for numbers like that.
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