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Old 02-06-2013, 03:35 PM
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Fair enough. In my defence I was not including the joint jubilee/olympic stuff because all the family had to up their duties in a unique situation. I still don't believe that it will continue now that the Jubilee/olympic celebrations are over (though I would like to be proved wrong).
Puhleeze-her engagements won't go up for a long time because she'll have a newborn, at which point everyone will complain that she having a baby is no excuse because women often work after having kids.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:51 PM
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Saw a photo of Kate and William boarding a plane and still no baby bump!
FWIW , I was in my regular clothes until 22 weeks with my first baby and I wasn't overweight before being pregnant.
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1. What's your definition of sulking?
2. His royal work has been delayed because of his RAF duties, as has happened with MANY royals before him.
3. Wow, Catherine performed fewer duties when William came back from 6 weeks away-shocking.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I think being sarcastic is unhelpful. I am entitled to have my say as well as anyone else.

Re sulking - take a look at the pictures on the day the news broke. National newspapers even commented on it.

When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.

For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:07 PM
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Artemisia, while I so enjoy your posts in general, this one made me angry. Why do you feel you have to make excuses for W&C? Why?

IMHO they try to live their life as best as they can .
:applaud: I believe every year WnK go on this trip with the Mids and every year the same people complain. William is not ignoring his duties he is operating as he sees fit being the heir to the heir. Perhaps it's my culture but I admire him for not just sitting around being a prince and instead going out and doing something useful with his time. Just because William doesn't do as much royal duties doesn't mean he is not working. He has a full time job and has had 3 vacays in a year? That's about the same amount as other full time workers I know. You may not like that he isn't dressed up and parading in front of a camera for you to admire, but people need to stop denying that he is working.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:14 PM
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth. Regarding Prince William and those invasive photos of his wife ( subsequent to the events surrounding his mother's death)... that was not sulking, that was being pi##ed off...and rightly so.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:24 PM
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth. Regarding Prince William and those invasive photos of his wife ( subsequent to the events surrounding his mother's death)... that was not sulking, that was being pi##ed off...and rightly so.
I was attempting to show how these things can escalate.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:24 PM
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth.
Say what? What are you talking about?
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:36 PM
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I think that people are just complaining because Catherine does not work as a full-time Royal, nor does she work at any other profession. This then comes across to the public, who are not necessarily huge followers of the Royal family, that she is lazy and does not do anything thus not "earning her money from taxes". I don't AGREE with this fact, but I can see why the public would think she is lazy. I think that if they are not going to be full-time Royals then Catherine should have considering keeping her job for Jigsaw and earning money. Sophie and Edward were not full time Royals until 2002, and it would have probably been longer had the "sheikh" incident never happened. Of course it was said Sophie was "cashing in on her Royal status" etc. but the public praised her for the fact that she earned her own money, as well as did Royal duties. Why couldn't Catherine have done that? I do not know/understand, but it's part of the many reasons why Catherine has been deemed as "lazy".
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:41 PM
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When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.
You're right, I think line has to be drawn. I never understood this thing of part-time royal. If William wants to concentrate in his army career for a while before taking royal duties, that's fine (I don't think he should do that, but that's another discussion). If Kate wants to be a stay at home wife while he does that, fine. They live in Wales and have their ordinary life there, fine. But they have to define that line, so that we can know exactly what to expect from their royal "performance". Part-time royal is a very ambiguous thing: should we expect royal duties, should we not?

You seem to agree that something is wrong with their marketing, am I right?
I think it is, not only in this but also in the way Kate is leading her charity work.

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For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
Well, I cannot decide whether I agree with this holiday or not. While I think that is normal that WIlliam deserves some time off from his work (I don't question his work) and obviously Kate goes along, and that's ok for me even if she didn't work enough to deserve a holiday (as artemisia said she is in a long holiday). For me it's ok that they join the middletons in the annual family holiday BUT on the other hand I understand the frustration of those that have criticised this holiday.
It gives the wrong message when people at home are facing tough times. As it gives the wrong message when she is so sick to work and yet good enough to take such a long flight.
They failed to understand this and that's what worries me, it indicates that they don't care so much for what people may thing and that's a bad sign because as has been said, image is everything in the royal family
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:46 PM
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I too think everyone need to calm down and take a deep breath.

The Cambridge's taking some time off with the extended members of their family isn't the end of the world. The Crown Prince Couple, Frederik & Mary is about to do the same thing, as well as Joachim & Marie. They take a little time to enjoy some with their family and then go back home and get back to work. It's the samething other families do all over the world.

I happen to believe The Queen is okay with members of her family taking some time off. She knows they work hard and deal with a lot, so there's nothing wrong with them taking some time to relax. She pretty much do the samething at Sandringham, Balmoral and Windsor.
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I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I think being sarcastic is unhelpful. I am entitled to have my say as well as anyone else.

Re sulking - take a look at the pictures on the day the news broke. National newspapers even commented on it.

When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.

For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
He may have been upset on the day the photos leaked (and who can blame him?), but he was fine for the rest of the trip. In fact, all of the royal reporters/photographers on tour, said they both did an excellent job of putting the photos behind them and getting on with the trip.

There are tons of articles detailing their part-time status and William works schedule. So I think it has less to do with a lack of communication, and more to do with the fact that people just want them to be full-time working royals.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:52 PM
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It's not part of the reason why Catherine has been deemed as Lazy, since she was deemed lazy when she was working at Jigsaw and her parents company before she got marry by the same people who are saying she's lazy now.

And no, people on forums and the Daily mail saying she's lazy does not means that the public at large think she lazy or even care what she does

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:applaud: I believe every year WnK go on this trip with the Mids and every year the same people complain. William is not ignoring his duties he is operating as he sees fit being the heir to the heir. Perhaps it's my culture but I admire him for not just sitting around being a prince and instead going out and doing something useful with his time. Just because William doesn't do as much royal duties doesn't mean he is not working. He has a full time job and has had 3 vacays in a year? That's about the same amount as other full time workers I know. You may not like that he isn't dressed up and parading in front of a camera for you to admire, but people need to stop denying that he is working.
Well said

Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie took the same amount of vacation (days) outside of the UK as Will and Kate, but I didn't hear any complain
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:55 PM
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Maybe Catherine will like to have a "normal job" but is maybe Queen Elizabeth and the Palace the ones who won't allow her to work outside the royal ring because of her position; she is closer to the throne than Sophie and Edward were.

We don't know what the plans are, Prince Charles situation is even worse, he's getting old and I see him more like a Royal Farmer than a Royal Highness.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:56 PM
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You're right, I think line has to be drawn. I never understood this thing of part-time royal. If William wants to concentrate in his army career for a while before taking royal duties, that's fine (I don't think he should do that, but that's another discussion). If Kate wants to be a stay at home wife while he does that, fine. They live in Wales and have their ordinary life there, fine. But they have to define that line, so that we can know exactly what to expect from their royal "performance". Part-time royal is a very ambiguous thing: should we expect royal duties, should we not?

You seem to agree that something is wrong with their marketing, am I right?
I think it is, not only in this but also in the way Kate is leading her charity work.


Well, I cannot decide whether I agree with this holiday or not. While I think that is normal that WIlliam deserves some time off from his work (I don't question his work) and obviously Kate goes along, and that's ok for me even if she didn't work enough to deserve a holiday (as artemisia said she is in a long holiday). For me it's ok that they join the middletons in the annual family holiday BUT on the other hand I understand the frustration of those that have criticised this holiday.
It gives the wrong message when people at home are facing tough times. As it gives the wrong message when she is so sick to work and yet good enough to take such a long flight.
They failed to understand this and that's what worries me, it indicates that they don't care so much for what people may thing and that's a bad sign because as has been said, image is everything in the royal family
Yes I am; and I agree over Catherine's charity work.

Exactly. Its PR disasters and mixed messages. It's ok for us who follow the Royals and we know what the palace said about part-time and therefore expectations are not high about seeing these two out and about. But we on the forums represent probably less than 1% of the UK public.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:57 PM
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I too think everyone need to calm down and take a deep breath.

The Cambridge's taking some time off with the extended members of their family isn't the end of the world. The Crown Prince Couple, Frederik & Mary is about to do the same thing, as well as Joachim & Marie. They take a little time to enjoy some with their family and then go back home and get back to work. It's the samething other families do all over the world.

I happen to believe The Queen is okay with members of her family taking some time off. She knows they work hard and deal with a lot, so there's nothing wrong with them taking some time to relax. She pretty much do the samething at Sandringham, Balmoral and Windsor.
If you go to another forums all you would see is how lazy Frederik is, If I only read that forum I would have thought that he was unpopular in Denmark. That is far from the case with the DRF.

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He may have been upset on the day the photos leaked (and who can blame him?), but he was fine for the rest of the trip. In fact, all of the royal reporters/photographers on tour, said they both did an excellent job of putting the photos behind them and getting on with the trip.

There are tons of articles detailing their part-time status and William works schedule. So I think it has less to do with a lack of communication, and more to do with the fact that people just want them to be full-time working royals.
I don't even think that's it, It just people not paying attention to those articles because that don't fit their agenda. They much rather say that Will and Kate are wasting tax payers money
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:02 PM
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^True. I think for some that's basically what it boils down to.

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If Kate wants to be a stay at home wife while he does that, fine. They live in Wales and have their ordinary life there, fine. But they have to define that line, so that we can know exactly what to expect from their royal "performance". Part-time royal is a very ambiguous thing: should we expect royal duties, should we not?
From what I recall, it was announced that they would do about 2 or 3 engagements a month. Which is basically what they've been doing. And about a week ago, one of the royal reporters stated that Kate is expected to continue this schedule throughout her pregnancy. He wasn't sure about William, since he's trying to get his flying hours up.

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I think that if they are not going to be full-time Royals then Catherine should have considering keeping her job for Jigsaw and earning money. Sophie and Edward were not full time Royals until 2002, and it would have probably been longer had the "sheikh" incident never happened. Of course it was said Sophie was "cashing in on her Royal status" etc. but the public praised her for the fact that she earned her own money, as well as did Royal duties. Why couldn't Catherine have done that? I do not know/understand, but it's part of the many reasons why Catherine has been deemed as "lazy".
Catherine hasn't worked for Jigsaw in years. The last place she worked was for her parents company and she resigned right before the wedding. The Middletons are constantly being accused of cashing in and lambasted for selling princess party supplies (something that every party supply company sells), can you imagine the outcry if Kate still worked for them?
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Artemisia, while I so enjoy your posts in general, this one made me angry. Why do you feel you have to make excuses for W&C? Why?
Most of us here are monarchists in some shape or form. Artemisia's posts seemed like a constructive criticism.

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IMHO they try to live their life as best as they can and as we don't know much about it, we should accept simply them and their decisions.
When someone is in a position not only of privilege but also serves as a representative of a nation or a commonwealth of nations, it simply does not work that way. Just ask Bill Clinton, King Juan Carlos or any number of others.


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So what if they are not our "perfect Royal couple"? William earns his keep and has inherited from his mother, Catherine comes from a ell-off family and to deny them the right to use the money they own for their own purposes is a kind of trying to disown them and make them slaves of society. While I understand this sentiment of turning the tables on them, it is not just that generations of people fought for freedom and equal rights and now that we have that, the Royals in a kind of back-handed revenge should not participate at all but should be forced to live in an ivory tower due to their birth.
Sorry, I think it is an insult to the many people who have lived in slavery and oppression and have died fighting for equality and freedom to suggest Will and Kate are part of their fight.

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Here in Germany we have a president who is elected and what his family does is up to them. He surely cost the equivalent of a Royal Head od Stae, especially as we have to pay pensions (and security!)for those who had to retire to make place for their successor.
You cannot compare an elected head of state to one who inherits the position solely through accident of birth, as the elected head of state is directly answerable to the people through the electoral process.


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I really like this - that's democracy for me. To press someone into a form casted from iron only because he or she was born into that role is wrong in our day and ages. IMHO, of course.
This is kind of like a republican argument but with a twist; the republican form of government is the better one because in a monarchy we enslave the hereditary head of state and force him/her to bow to the people's will. I think I have to agree with this on that principle. Which is why I always thought that if the person next in line really wants to bow out, there's no shame in it.
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I think that people are just complaining because Catherine does not work as a full-time Royal, nor does she work at any other profession. This then comes across to the public, who are not necessarily huge followers of the Royal family, that she is lazy and does not do anything thus not "earning her money from taxes". I don't AGREE with this fact, but I can see why the public would think she is lazy. I think that if they are not going to be full-time Royals then Catherine should have considering keeping her job for Jigsaw and earning money. Sophie and Edward were not full time Royals until 2002, and it would have probably been longer had the "sheikh" incident never happened. Of course it was said Sophie was "cashing in on her Royal status" etc. but the public praised her for the fact that she earned her own money, as well as did Royal duties. Why couldn't Catherine have done that? I do not know/understand, but it's part of the many reasons why Catherine has been deemed as "lazy".
Molly2101, Catherine did work before her marriage and she's working now as William's wife and third lady of the land. I think the main problem was that a great deal of people didn't like her job at Party Pieces and deemed it an unfit job for a person that went to university. When she was working at Jigsaw, she was hounded on a regular bases and the paparazzi hounding got to her, so she went to work at Party Pieces. The girl was working but people didn't see her doing it, so they called her lazy and then Katie Nicholl started the phrase 'Waity Katie', which wasn't nice or fair to Catherine.

Members of the royal family are always working. Even when we don't see them on public official engagements, they are always in meetings, going over correspondence with their aides and even having private meetings with their charity officials. They do work a great deal behind the scenes too.

I think it's unfair to call her lazy or even tolerate others calling her lazy when even the palace has said that HRH is getting better and is back to work. She's staying in contact with her charities and is about to pay them an official visit. She's doing what she suppose to do.
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You're right, I think line has to be drawn. I never understood this thing of part-time royal. If William wants to concentrate in his army career for a while before taking royal duties, that's fine (I don't think he should do that, but that's another discussion). If Kate wants to be a stay at home wife while he does that, fine. They live in Wales and have their ordinary life there, fine. But they have to define that line, so that we can know exactly what to expect from their royal "performance". Part-time royal is a very ambiguous thing: should we expect royal duties, should we not?
Thank you! Something I've been saying for ages. Before their marriage they should have decided one or the other, not both!

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And no, people on forums and the Daily mail saying she's lazy does not means that the public at large think she lazy or even care what she does

Well said

Harry, Beatrice, and Eugenie took the same amount of vacation (days) outside of the UK as Will and Kate, but I didn't hear any complain
Nobody ever said we represent the majority of the public, but we do represent a part of it which counts for something.
I think you'll find that Henry, Beatrice and Eugenie get criticised left right and centre for the holidays they take. Henry less so but look at his trip to Vegas. Bea and Eugenie get criticised everytime they're out in fresh air for something.
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In the past 12 months they've had 3 vacations. 1 week at a ski resort (after William's six-week stint in the Falklands) 3 days in France, and this trip to Mustique.
IIRC, the ski trip meant they were the only family members missing at the Queen Mother's memorial, the 3 day trip to France was during the Closing Ceremony of the Paralympic Games, of which they were patrons, and now this trip, with it's 8+ hour plane trip comes at a time when we have been told Kate is too ill to do any official engagements.

There may very well be perfectly reasonable explanations for all this, but as I said earlier in the thread, image is very important for Royals (rightly or wrongly) and this simply does not look good. Especially when Kate in particular seems to have a reputation (justified or not) in some quarters of being less than hard-working.
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