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Old 02-06-2013, 02:13 PM
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Her engagements didn't stop after his return from the Falklands. My numbers may be off, but since his return, she's done like 11 or 12 engagements by herself. Not to mention the joint engagements, Jubilee celebrations, the tour and the Olympics stuff. So saying she's done nothing since his return is not true.
Fair enough. In my defence I was not including the joint jubilee/olympic stuff because all the family had to up their duties in a unique situation. I still don't believe that it will continue now that the Jubilee/olympic celebrations are over (though I would like to be proved wrong).
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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I really do believe TRH's will become fulltime royals in the near future.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:33 PM
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Personally I think people are getting themselves all worked up about something very minor. Take a deep breath and count to ten, roll your shoulders and relax a bit. The Cambridges are on vacation with the Middletons in Mustique.....not exactly something that will raise questions in the House of Commons.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:36 PM
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Marvelous post, Cepe! Entirely plausible.

I think it very natural that Will would have tremendous fear of his wife becoming what his mother was, and therefore wants her out of the limelight.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:37 PM
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People are treating this like a major scandal.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:41 PM
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Fair enough. In my defence I was not including the joint jubilee/olympic stuff because all the family had to up their duties in a unique situation. I still don't believe that it will continue now that the Jubilee/olympic celebrations are over (though I would like to be proved wrong).
I gotcha. I think because of her part-time status, people sometimes overlook the fact that Kate does work. Unfortunately for her though, she is being compared to the other members of the BRF and I think it sometimes does her a disservice.

I really haven't seen anything to suggest that she won't keep up her work schedule. I think as long as she and the baby are healthy, she'll continue doing a few engagements every month.

I agree, Dman. It's looking more and more likely that they will become full-time royals. And if they don't go full-time, then I can see them stepping up the number of monthly engagements they do.

So true, royalistbert and Nglalitzine.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:43 PM
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Saw a photo of Kate and William boarding a plane and still no baby bump!
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:47 PM
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Saw a photo of Kate and William boarding a plane and still no baby bump!
Don't worry. If those paps don't get that bikini shot, their editors will make them swim home.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:55 PM
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Saw a photo of Kate and William boarding a plane and still no baby bump!
Those photos are from their trip last year.
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Old 02-06-2013, 02:58 PM
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I think this whole conversation is ridiculous. The majority of people could care less that they are on vacation. As said this seems to be a tradition with Kate's family. She will be doing engagements soon and has been working. This is not some scandalous situation. I think we all just need to calm down.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:08 PM
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I think that ignoring public opinion would be a mistake. You're all followers of royalty so you know that it takes a nano-second for an small issue to take on global status.

I can remember what happened the last time the BRF ignored public opinion.

I think that when the Cambridges finally make public their plans, they need to be very explicit about the detail. If William is staying in the RAF (probably in Suffolk) then an explanation of shifts/working patterns; His level of royal duties; her level of royal duties; how they are funded and that should include security. It needs to be spelt out. I think an interview with William but I somehow doubt that would happen.

We aren't getting overexcited about this - we are seeing the gradual erosion of popularity of this couple and that is serious. It is particularly unfair on Catherine, IMO.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:14 PM
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The commentators on the DM can stop their whining and complaining about W & K. It's not like they're on vacation every month. When was their last vacation with the Middletons? Everyone needs and deserves a vacation at some point.

IMO what's upsetting the DM posters are the cost of where they are they are staying + security. 30,000/week villa - sounds very nice but isn't that coming from their own money not tax money?
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:17 PM
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Could you explain to me why I'm not a member of the public? Or why the DM readers are exempted from this too?
I think this is just a reference that people who take the time to comment here and on royal stories are a small subset of the population, with views so interested that they take the time. Put another way, we can't generalize based on what we commenters post-not entirely.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:20 PM
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This whole thread is a storm in a teacup.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:21 PM
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I do not regularly follow the activities of this couple, so I may be wrong
but for me neither William nor Katherine are the problem. It's his situation which is the problem, being the heir of the heir and being married to a media star. William might have to wait for a long long time until he can do the job he was born for. And I happen to think he fills the waiting time with a usefull in-between-job.
And Katherine can't possibly be a fulltime-royal if her husband is not.

Since the Queen became monarch at a very young age and actually never had to go through this rather odd situation of "waiting heir" I think any comparisons with her are out of place. We don't know how usefull she would have filled the waiting time.

I have the feeling if William was still single nobody would complain about this holiday. But now that he is married to a media star everything becomes a headline / contoversy. The spotlight is on them whether they like it or not. And they will have to take that into account and be more careful about public perception and more sensitive towards the general economic situation in the future.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:22 PM
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I think that ignoring public opinion would be a mistake. You're all followers of royalty so you know that it takes a nano-second for an small issue to take on global status.

I can remember what happened the last time the BRF ignored public opinion.

I think that when the Cambridges finally make public their plans, they need to be very explicit about the detail. If William is staying in the RAF (probably in Suffolk) then an explanation of shifts/working patterns; His level of royal duties; her level of royal duties; how they are funded and that should include security. It needs to be spelt out. I think an interview with William but I somehow doubt that would happen.

We aren't getting overexcited about this - we are seeing the gradual erosion of popularity of this couple and that is serious. It is particularly unfair on Catherine, IMO.
Another great post, and I agree. Image is everything for the BRF.

I too remember 1997 very clearly indeed. What would have happened had they refused the state funeral in the end.....
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:25 PM
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I fact, what with Kate's schedule you could say they have been on an extended vacation already.
A 3-day hospital stay and mind numbing nausea a vacay? Ok...

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Back in summer, when infamous pictures of the Duchess were taken, they (and the furore around them) distracted from another fact: St James Palace had said that their non-appearance at the Paralympics was because they were "preparing" for their foreign tour when they actually taking another holiday.
Granted, tho they could have been holidaying and researching/getting briefed at the same time. Also, I can't imagine doing a tour, so it could've been a 'calm before the storm' for Kate.

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William appears to resent his position and seems to think that while he is entitled to all the perks that come with it, no one dares to inflict any inconveniences upon him.
I think this is unfair-he has been complained about treatment by the press, but the press have acted like vultures against him and the family.

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Kate has to date been just a glorified dummy famous for her sartorial choices-only. The press gets criticised for reporting in details her cloths but really, what else is there to report?.
Really? She has done a lot of engagements and been seen as a positive force and symbol for the RF, which seems to have chosen to ease her into her role as a royal.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:28 PM
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I too remember 1997 very clearly indeed. What would have happened had they refused the state funeral in the end.....
A bit off topic but they did refuse State Funeral. Not even the Queen Mother had a State Funeral.
The last full State Funeral was that of Winston Churchill in 1965.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:31 PM
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I have never believed that Catherine is the issue, it is all about William. He, as many have said, is enjoying the perks and not doing the royal work. I think Artemesia's post explained that very well.

but it seems that he only wants Catherine to work along side him. She absolutely blossomed when he was in the Falklands and then he comes home and she does nothing by way of royal duties.

I believe her illness was genuine because he is currently working in Wales and she is in London. That wouldn't happen if she had been well. away from him, she is beginning to book engagements. He is staying in Wales because he wants to improve his flying hours, an indication that he is staying in the RAF, not turning to full time royal

when the French pictures materialised during the tour, it was Catherine that handled the situation, William sulked.

She is doing her best but loves and supports William. He needs to learn that the nonsense of wanting to be normal is just that - nonsense. And he needs to pay attention to public opinion, and the Queen and Prince Charles need to sort him out. Basically he's spoilt.
1. What's your definition of sulking?
2. His royal work has been delayed because of his RAF duties, as has happened with MANY royals before him.
3. Wow, Catherine performed fewer duties when William came back from 6 weeks away-shocking.
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Old 02-06-2013, 03:32 PM
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My apologies if this sounded like rant. It probably is one. But while I am a monarchist, an Anglophile and Kate-supporter, I am tired of making excuses all the time.
Artemisia, while I so enjoy your posts in general, this one made me angry. Why do you feel you have to make excuses for W&C? Why?

IMHO they try to live their life as best as they can and as we don't know much about it, we should accept simply them and their decisions. So what if they are not our "perfect Royal couple"? William earns his keep and has inherited from his mother, Catherine comes from a ell-off family and to deny them the right to use the money they own for their own purposes is a kind of trying to disown them and make them slaves of society. While I understand this sentiment of turning the tables on them, it is not just that generations of people fought for freedom and equal rights and now that we have that, the Royals in a kind of back-handed revenge should not participate at all but should be forced to live in an ivory tower due to their birth.

Here in Germany we have a president who is elected and what his family does is up to them. He surely cost the equivalent of a Royal Head od Stae, especially as we have to pay pensions (and security!)for those who had to retire to make place for their successor. I really like this - that's democracy for me. To press someone into a form casted from iron only because he or she was born into that role is wrong in our day and ages. IMHO, of course.
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