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Old 02-06-2013, 04:14 PM
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The commentators on the DM can stop their whining and complaining about W & K. It's not like they're on vacation every month. When was their last vacation with the Middletons? Everyone needs and deserves a vacation at some point.

IMO what's upsetting the DM posters are the cost of where they are they are staying + security. 30,000/week villa - sounds very nice but isn't that coming from their own money not tax money?
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:17 PM
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Could you explain to me why I'm not a member of the public? Or why the DM readers are exempted from this too?
I think this is just a reference that people who take the time to comment here and on royal stories are a small subset of the population, with views so interested that they take the time. Put another way, we can't generalize based on what we commenters post-not entirely.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:20 PM
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This whole thread is a storm in a teacup.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:21 PM
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I do not regularly follow the activities of this couple, so I may be wrong
but for me neither William nor Katherine are the problem. It's his situation which is the problem, being the heir of the heir and being married to a media star. William might have to wait for a long long time until he can do the job he was born for. And I happen to think he fills the waiting time with a usefull in-between-job.
And Katherine can't possibly be a fulltime-royal if her husband is not.

Since the Queen became monarch at a very young age and actually never had to go through this rather odd situation of "waiting heir" I think any comparisons with her are out of place. We don't know how usefull she would have filled the waiting time.

I have the feeling if William was still single nobody would complain about this holiday. But now that he is married to a media star everything becomes a headline / contoversy. The spotlight is on them whether they like it or not. And they will have to take that into account and be more careful about public perception and more sensitive towards the general economic situation in the future.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:22 PM
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I think that ignoring public opinion would be a mistake. You're all followers of royalty so you know that it takes a nano-second for an small issue to take on global status.

I can remember what happened the last time the BRF ignored public opinion.

I think that when the Cambridges finally make public their plans, they need to be very explicit about the detail. If William is staying in the RAF (probably in Suffolk) then an explanation of shifts/working patterns; His level of royal duties; her level of royal duties; how they are funded and that should include security. It needs to be spelt out. I think an interview with William but I somehow doubt that would happen.

We aren't getting overexcited about this - we are seeing the gradual erosion of popularity of this couple and that is serious. It is particularly unfair on Catherine, IMO.
Another great post, and I agree. Image is everything for the BRF.

I too remember 1997 very clearly indeed. What would have happened had they refused the state funeral in the end.....
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:25 PM
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I fact, what with Kate's schedule you could say they have been on an extended vacation already.
A 3-day hospital stay and mind numbing nausea a vacay? Ok...

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Back in summer, when infamous pictures of the Duchess were taken, they (and the furore around them) distracted from another fact: St James Palace had said that their non-appearance at the Paralympics was because they were "preparing" for their foreign tour when they actually taking another holiday.
Granted, tho they could have been holidaying and researching/getting briefed at the same time. Also, I can't imagine doing a tour, so it could've been a 'calm before the storm' for Kate.

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William appears to resent his position and seems to think that while he is entitled to all the perks that come with it, no one dares to inflict any inconveniences upon him.
I think this is unfair-he has been complained about treatment by the press, but the press have acted like vultures against him and the family.

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Kate has to date been just a glorified dummy famous for her sartorial choices-only. The press gets criticised for reporting in details her cloths but really, what else is there to report?.
Really? She has done a lot of engagements and been seen as a positive force and symbol for the RF, which seems to have chosen to ease her into her role as a royal.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:28 PM
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I too remember 1997 very clearly indeed. What would have happened had they refused the state funeral in the end.....
A bit off topic but they did refuse State Funeral. Not even the Queen Mother had a State Funeral.
The last full State Funeral was that of Winston Churchill in 1965.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:31 PM
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I have never believed that Catherine is the issue, it is all about William. He, as many have said, is enjoying the perks and not doing the royal work. I think Artemesia's post explained that very well.

but it seems that he only wants Catherine to work along side him. She absolutely blossomed when he was in the Falklands and then he comes home and she does nothing by way of royal duties.

I believe her illness was genuine because he is currently working in Wales and she is in London. That wouldn't happen if she had been well. away from him, she is beginning to book engagements. He is staying in Wales because he wants to improve his flying hours, an indication that he is staying in the RAF, not turning to full time royal

when the French pictures materialised during the tour, it was Catherine that handled the situation, William sulked.

She is doing her best but loves and supports William. He needs to learn that the nonsense of wanting to be normal is just that - nonsense. And he needs to pay attention to public opinion, and the Queen and Prince Charles need to sort him out. Basically he's spoilt.
1. What's your definition of sulking?
2. His royal work has been delayed because of his RAF duties, as has happened with MANY royals before him.
3. Wow, Catherine performed fewer duties when William came back from 6 weeks away-shocking.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:32 PM
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My apologies if this sounded like rant. It probably is one. But while I am a monarchist, an Anglophile and Kate-supporter, I am tired of making excuses all the time.
Artemisia, while I so enjoy your posts in general, this one made me angry. Why do you feel you have to make excuses for W&C? Why?

IMHO they try to live their life as best as they can and as we don't know much about it, we should accept simply them and their decisions. So what if they are not our "perfect Royal couple"? William earns his keep and has inherited from his mother, Catherine comes from a ell-off family and to deny them the right to use the money they own for their own purposes is a kind of trying to disown them and make them slaves of society. While I understand this sentiment of turning the tables on them, it is not just that generations of people fought for freedom and equal rights and now that we have that, the Royals in a kind of back-handed revenge should not participate at all but should be forced to live in an ivory tower due to their birth.

Here in Germany we have a president who is elected and what his family does is up to them. He surely cost the equivalent of a Royal Head od Stae, especially as we have to pay pensions (and security!)for those who had to retire to make place for their successor. I really like this - that's democracy for me. To press someone into a form casted from iron only because he or she was born into that role is wrong in our day and ages. IMHO, of course.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:35 PM
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Fair enough. In my defence I was not including the joint jubilee/olympic stuff because all the family had to up their duties in a unique situation. I still don't believe that it will continue now that the Jubilee/olympic celebrations are over (though I would like to be proved wrong).
Puhleeze-her engagements won't go up for a long time because she'll have a newborn, at which point everyone will complain that she having a baby is no excuse because women often work after having kids.
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Old 02-06-2013, 04:51 PM
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Saw a photo of Kate and William boarding a plane and still no baby bump!
FWIW , I was in my regular clothes until 22 weeks with my first baby and I wasn't overweight before being pregnant.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:01 PM
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1. What's your definition of sulking?
2. His royal work has been delayed because of his RAF duties, as has happened with MANY royals before him.
3. Wow, Catherine performed fewer duties when William came back from 6 weeks away-shocking.
I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I think being sarcastic is unhelpful. I am entitled to have my say as well as anyone else.

Re sulking - take a look at the pictures on the day the news broke. National newspapers even commented on it.

When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.

For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:07 PM
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Artemisia, while I so enjoy your posts in general, this one made me angry. Why do you feel you have to make excuses for W&C? Why?

IMHO they try to live their life as best as they can .
:applaud: I believe every year WnK go on this trip with the Mids and every year the same people complain. William is not ignoring his duties he is operating as he sees fit being the heir to the heir. Perhaps it's my culture but I admire him for not just sitting around being a prince and instead going out and doing something useful with his time. Just because William doesn't do as much royal duties doesn't mean he is not working. He has a full time job and has had 3 vacays in a year? That's about the same amount as other full time workers I know. You may not like that he isn't dressed up and parading in front of a camera for you to admire, but people need to stop denying that he is working.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:14 PM
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth. Regarding Prince William and those invasive photos of his wife ( subsequent to the events surrounding his mother's death)... that was not sulking, that was being pi##ed off...and rightly so.
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:24 PM
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth. Regarding Prince William and those invasive photos of his wife ( subsequent to the events surrounding his mother's death)... that was not sulking, that was being pi##ed off...and rightly so.
I was attempting to show how these things can escalate.
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Regarding the SRF? Why would I care about them? They 're not part of the Commonwealth.
Say what? What are you talking about?
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:36 PM
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I think that people are just complaining because Catherine does not work as a full-time Royal, nor does she work at any other profession. This then comes across to the public, who are not necessarily huge followers of the Royal family, that she is lazy and does not do anything thus not "earning her money from taxes". I don't AGREE with this fact, but I can see why the public would think she is lazy. I think that if they are not going to be full-time Royals then Catherine should have considering keeping her job for Jigsaw and earning money. Sophie and Edward were not full time Royals until 2002, and it would have probably been longer had the "sheikh" incident never happened. Of course it was said Sophie was "cashing in on her Royal status" etc. but the public praised her for the fact that she earned her own money, as well as did Royal duties. Why couldn't Catherine have done that? I do not know/understand, but it's part of the many reasons why Catherine has been deemed as "lazy".
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:41 PM
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When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.
You're right, I think line has to be drawn. I never understood this thing of part-time royal. If William wants to concentrate in his army career for a while before taking royal duties, that's fine (I don't think he should do that, but that's another discussion). If Kate wants to be a stay at home wife while he does that, fine. They live in Wales and have their ordinary life there, fine. But they have to define that line, so that we can know exactly what to expect from their royal "performance". Part-time royal is a very ambiguous thing: should we expect royal duties, should we not?

You seem to agree that something is wrong with their marketing, am I right?
I think it is, not only in this but also in the way Kate is leading her charity work.

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For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
Well, I cannot decide whether I agree with this holiday or not. While I think that is normal that WIlliam deserves some time off from his work (I don't question his work) and obviously Kate goes along, and that's ok for me even if she didn't work enough to deserve a holiday (as artemisia said she is in a long holiday). For me it's ok that they join the middletons in the annual family holiday BUT on the other hand I understand the frustration of those that have criticised this holiday.
It gives the wrong message when people at home are facing tough times. As it gives the wrong message when she is so sick to work and yet good enough to take such a long flight.
They failed to understand this and that's what worries me, it indicates that they don't care so much for what people may thing and that's a bad sign because as has been said, image is everything in the royal family
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Old 02-06-2013, 05:46 PM
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I too think everyone need to calm down and take a deep breath.

The Cambridge's taking some time off with the extended members of their family isn't the end of the world. The Crown Prince Couple, Frederik & Mary is about to do the same thing, as well as Joachim & Marie. They take a little time to enjoy some with their family and then go back home and get back to work. It's the samething other families do all over the world.

I happen to believe The Queen is okay with members of her family taking some time off. She knows they work hard and deal with a lot, so there's nothing wrong with them taking some time to relax. She pretty much do the samething at Sandringham, Balmoral and Windsor.
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I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, but I think being sarcastic is unhelpful. I am entitled to have my say as well as anyone else.

Re sulking - take a look at the pictures on the day the news broke. National newspapers even commented on it.

When Charles and Andrew were in the military, they did not do part-time royal duties. The defining line was very clear. MAybe that's part of the issue - again, they need to reiterate what the plan is to the public again. positive marketing is about repeat messages.

For those of you who think this is a storm in a teacup - have a look at the Spanish RF threads and the furore over the King taking a holiday during an economic crisis. There has even been debate about him abdicating.

Under normal circs. a holiday doesn't matter but these are difficult times and normal rules do not apply.

I've always been a supporter of both of them, look at previous posts but this holiday is a mistake by them IMO.
He may have been upset on the day the photos leaked (and who can blame him?), but he was fine for the rest of the trip. In fact, all of the royal reporters/photographers on tour, said they both did an excellent job of putting the photos behind them and getting on with the trip.

There are tons of articles detailing their part-time status and William works schedule. So I think it has less to do with a lack of communication, and more to do with the fact that people just want them to be full-time working royals.
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