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Old 04-21-2018, 06:29 PM
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It looks like Sophie Winkleman is there, so I'm hoping that means she's made a full recovery from her accident.
I recently saw a photo of her attending the races, so I assume she is well.
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Old 04-21-2018, 06:53 PM
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I did kinda expect Kate to make an appearance if she hadn't given birth yet, it's a party not really a working gig. But perhaps she is miserable right now.


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I didn't expect Catherine as she's due any day now. I'm more surprised that Zara wasn't there as there's no real consensus on when she's due. I'm now thinking Zara must be due within the next few weeks.
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Old 04-21-2018, 06:57 PM
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I didn't expect Catherine as she's due any day now. I'm more surprised that Zara wasn't there as there's no real consensus on when she's due. I'm now thinking Zara must be due within the next few weeks.
She's been seen out this week back/forth with the kids at school so I thought she might make an appearance tonight.

Zara not being there is a surprise and it does make me think she's not going to have a 'sometime this summer' baby.


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Old 04-21-2018, 07:03 PM
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Well, there's a big difference between a quiet school drop-off and going into labor on national television. lol

With Zara, it would be adorable if she and the baby shared a birthday. May 15th.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:07 PM
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It was wonderful to see almost everyone, including the extended family, celebrating HM's birthday tonight. Including some faces we haven't seen for a while; I noticed Tim Taylor and his daughter Estella in the Royal Box as well as the Earl of Snowdon and his daughter.

HM's expression at Charles calling her "mummy" is hilarious! She definitely has a "Charles, you're too old to be calling me that" look on her face.
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:16 PM
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A contented performer's Instagram from tonight!

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bh2N2U_j...=officialdonel
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Old 04-21-2018, 07:28 PM
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We have a lot of newish members here. Let me point out that this is an EXCELLENT opportunity to observe Harry and Meghan in the BRF environment.

Take the opportunity to notice where they are seated, where others in the family are seated and try to learn a bit from that.
At the Commonwealth service everyone sat in the order of succession. At the birthday concert the seating arrangements switched up a bit, but with the queen sitting between Charles and William it's showing the continuity of the Crown: the sovereign, her heir and the heir's heir.

When Charles becomes king can he change the order of precedence? The queen changed it I think twice.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:10 PM
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The seating arrangements for the concert were quite relaxed, I thought. Edward, one of the Queen's children, sat up the back. Beatrice, Eugenie, Jack to the side. Sophie and Louise behind the Queen. I don't think too much should be read into any of it, to be honest.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:19 PM
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I like that Charles and William are sat next to the The Queen in the absence of Prince Philip
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:20 PM
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It was wonderful to see almost everyone, including the extended family, celebrating HM's birthday tonight. Including some faces we haven't seen for a while; I noticed Tim Taylor and his daughter Estella in the Royal Box as well as the Earl of Snowdon and his daughter.

HM's expression at Charles calling her "mummy" is hilarious! She definitely has a "Charles, you're too old to be calling me that" look on her face.
That would be a bit rich though as she was heard calling her own mother 'mummy' well into her 70s. There was a documentary done for the Queen Mum's 100th birthday and they have a scene where the Queen says something like 'oh mummy' and she would have been older than Charles is now.

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At the Commonwealth service everyone sat in the order of succession. At the birthday concert the seating arrangements switched up a bit, but with the queen sitting between Charles and William it's showing the continuity of the Crown: the sovereign, her heir and the heir's heir.

When Charles becomes king can he change the order of precedence? The queen changed it I think twice.
He can change the private order of precedence - as the Queen has done - but not the public order as that is set at the College of Heralds as it involves a lot more people than just members of the BRF.
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He can change the private order of precedence - as the Queen has done - but not the public order as that is set at the College of Heralds as it involves a lot more people than just members of the BRF.
Please, provide your source
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:44 PM
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Is this Jack's first evening event with the royal family?! It looks like fiancé(e)s are included from now on (as is common in most royal families) in most events; only the dinner was apparently not deemed proper if not yet married as both Harry and Eugenie attended alone.

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Please, provide your source
I guess it's the follow up of the House of Lords Precendence Act 1539. So, it seems there is indeed an Act that prescribes the order of precedence.

I've always liked this overview on Wikipedia.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:53 PM
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The act provides for precedence in the House of Lords. Most hereditary peers no longer sit in the Lords. Same for royal peers.
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Old 04-21-2018, 09:54 PM
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HM's expression at Charles calling her "mummy" is hilarious! She definitely has a "Charles, you're too old to be calling me that" look on her face.
I thought it was because he's done it before to get a laugh.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:10 PM
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This article gives sources:

Male Members of the Royal Family

The traditional order is:
Sovereign's sons (Precedence Act 1539)
Sovereign's grandsons (settled practice since a warrant of 13 Dec 1726 placing the dukes of Edinburgh and Cumberland before the duke of York)
Sovereign's brothers (Precedence Act 1539)
Sovereign's uncles (Precedence Act 1539)
Sovereign's nephews (in male or female line; Precedence Act 1539: "or the King's brothers' or sisters' sons")
grandsons of former sovereigns who are dukes (since 1850 when the duke of Cambridge was placed before the archbishop of Canterbury)
grandsons of former sovereigns who are not dukes (HRH and Prince of GB by letters patent, 30 Oct 1917; precedence by custom)
Within each class, siblings are arranged by order of birth and otherwise individuals are arranged by order of succession to the throne (e.g., among grandsons and nephews).


Order of Precedence in England and Wales
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:25 PM
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Not to get of track but there’s precedence in Parliament and there’s precedence at court.

Parliamentary precedence for royals and hereditay peers more or less no longer applies. Hereditary peers no longer have seats in the Lords aside from a very few.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:38 PM
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The seating arrangements for the concert were quite relaxed, I thought. Edward, one of the Queen's children, sat up the back. Beatrice, Eugenie, Jack to the side. Sophie and Louise behind the Queen. I don't think too much should be read into any of it, to be honest.
We also have to keep in mind that while this was a public event, it’s not as official as other events as this is the personal birthday that the Queen is celebrating. This isn’t Trooping. In this case, she was surrounding by her children and then grandchildren and then other relatively, with the exception of William. In events like Commonwealth Day Service, which are more official, while the Queen’s children do have precedence over William and Harry, they don’t necessarily follow that. William and Harry are given spots ahead of their uncles and aunt a lot of times. Case in point, the Commonwealth Day saw no only the heir and his heir seated ahead of the Queen’s other two children that attended, but so were Harry and Meghan.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:40 PM
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but so were Harry and Meghan.
Which I never have gotten, but we won't discuss that here.
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Old 04-21-2018, 10:48 PM
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I don't think it's a great mystery. Charles views and wishes are being felt.


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Old 04-21-2018, 10:52 PM
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That the monarchy be slimmed down, even though Harry will hold the same position as the Duke of York and Earl of Wessex so isn't that a little counter-productive.
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