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Old 06-17-2009, 12:45 PM
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Still, that's no more than a de facto consort who acts as a regent now and then. Catherine of Aragon, a queen consort who also acted as regent for her husband, was more significant in government than Mary II, a queen who was actually a monarch - Catherine even defended England against the Scots!

Poor Mary II is remembered only as the wife of the King who overthrew James II & VII. The beggining of this thread indicates that there are people who don't even know that she was a monarch.

I wonder what would've happened if she accepted the parliament's offer to reign alone. Perhaps William would've abandoned her and her father would've had more chances to reclaim his throne. Perhaps Mary II was actually smart and not as submissive as we think - is it possible that she knew how fragile her reign would be without her husband's army? I know, so much perhapses :)

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Old 06-18-2009, 05:57 PM
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I think May was naturally submissive, given that this was how 17th women were raised to be, and also Mary wasn't that intellectual or well educated, and had married very young, and had little taste of independence. All she knew was leaning on her husband. Had Mary II lived in Tudor Times, she may have taken the throne alone, as Mary I, Elizabeth I both did so, as Tudor royal women were usually well educated and independent for the 16th century, although of course Mary I did marry, etc, whereas Elizabeth did not.

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Old 05-15-2010, 08:59 PM
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I agree that Mary was naturally submissive and truly loved her husband. And when she was asked about ruling over England, it did not make sense to her that she should be regnant and William consort. (William wasn't happy about that arrangement either). She insisted that as the wife she would play an inferior role but in the end was happy to rule "equally" beside her husband, who soon came to realize how bright she truly was. He even trusted her to take over the affairs of State when he left for Holland and Ireland.
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Old 05-15-2010, 11:06 PM
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Their marriage to me seems very much a love match. He genuinely mourned her and she clearly loved him. It would have seemed natural for her to allow him to reign equally with her, and let's also remember how close his own claim to the throne was.

Even 150 years later Victoria allowed Albert a large say in running things to the extent where during much of the 1840s and 1850s he really did the job with her at his side rather than the other way round, again partly because women were expected to do what there husbands told them.
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The British Royal House of Orange (1689-1702) & The Glorious Revolution (1688)


I have just updated the information I have written on the Royal House of Orange.

"William III, Prince of Orange, married Mary Stuart on the 4th November 1677. They were both brought up as staunch protestants, Mary was the eldest daughter of King James II. However James converted to Catholicism around 1689 when she was nine and it was this decision that seeded the beginnings of discontent that lead to the “Glorious Revolution” of 1688."

To find out more please go to British Royal House of Orange
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:38 PM
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Again, I am very impressed with the shear amount of information ukchrisuk provides in such a concise summary. Thanks.
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Old 07-11-2013, 04:24 PM
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Thanks again for your kind comments
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Old 01-22-2014, 05:20 PM
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On February 3, 1689, Prince William of Orange declared that he would not agree to rule as regent or as Mary's consort. He demanded the full power and sovereignty of a monarch, jointly held with his wife. They became William III and Mary II.
In Emperors, Kings & Queens, Sonya Newland wrote:

William III was respected rather than loved by his subjects.
In Emperors, Kings & Queens, Sonya Newland wrote:

Mary II bowed to him (William III) in all matters of government, but proved herself a capable ruler in her own right when he was away.
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From Westminster Abbey : William III

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Old 01-31-2017, 01:26 AM
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Video: Why the William of Orange story is described as one of the biggest lies of British history (From HeraldScotland)
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I missed the insight that William III of Nassau, Prince of Orange was no "foreign invader" as spouse of Mary Stuart (daughter of King James II). He himself was half-British via his mother Mary Stuart, The Princess Royal (daughter of King Charles I). While Mary was the Number One in the line of succession, she married her full cousin William, who was the Number Four in that same succession.
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Of course he was a foreign invader who initiated a succesfull coup-d'etat. He was accompanied by 15.000 Dutch troops and transported by a small armada of 400 vessels.

The propaganda that was used is well documented. Lucy Worsley hardly has a scoop.
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Old 01-31-2017, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Marengo View Post
Of course he was a foreign invader who initiated a succesfull coup-d'etat. He was accompanied by 15.000 Dutch troops and transported by a small armada of 400 vessels.

The propaganda that was used is well documented. Lucy Worsley hardly has a scoop. ]
A foreign invader is Louis XIV invading the Low Countries. Mary Stuart simply was the rightful heiress to her father, the King. Yes, she married a very rich, mighty and shrewd husband, himself a successor to the same throne and he enforced her throne, but I would not label it as a foreign invader, after all the rightful British Princess and her half-British Prince -a successor himself- came on the throne.

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