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Old 06-30-2012, 03:01 PM
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I'm not sure if this picture is cropped and some people, including the Dowager Marchioness of Milford Haven have been cropped off. I know there is different wedding group picture in "Philip and Elizabeth" by Gyles Brandreth where she is on the far right.
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Old 07-01-2012, 08:07 AM
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Thank you for the replies everyone, the Dowager Marchioness of Milford Haven it is then.
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Old 07-01-2012, 11:05 AM
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I suspect these are the photographs Mark was referring to; the wedding of Elizabeth and Philip and the christening of Prince Charles.
The Dowager Marchioness of Milford Haven (née Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine) is on the far right of the first pic and seated on the left in the second.

The lady in blue standing next to Queen Mary in the wedding photo is Prince Philip's mother, Princess Andrew of Greece, née Princess Alice of Battenberg. She was more recognisable perhaps at the Coronation a few year later, when she wore her nun's habit.

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Old 07-01-2012, 02:34 PM
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The 2nd picture above is the only picture I have ever seen in which then Princess Elizabeth looked like she would rather have been any place then where she was.
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In Prince Philip, Philip Eade wrote:

Victoria visited Philip during term time at Cheam, and had him for half terms with her at Kensington Palace. He later credited her with having 'the right combination of the rational and the emotional' in her approach to bringing up children.
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During his engagement to Princess Elizabeth Prince Philip stayed at his grandmother's Kensington Palace apartment, where his mother Alice was also living. His cousin David Milford Haven also moved in. They had rooms in the palace attic and if arriving back late at night they would climb over the roof and in through their bedroom windows to bypass the creaking staircase past their grandmother's rooms.
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Was one of Victoria's children premature? Louise or George?
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Was one of Victoria's children premature? Louise or George?
I seem to recall fairly certainly that Louise was premature, even that there was some drama around his birth (? - old, dusty memory). Not so certain about George, I vaguely recall that he was, too.

Victoria was an amazing woman and I've read quite a lot about her, but it's been a while. Think maybe I'll go dust of my copy of David Duff's 'Hessian Tapestry' and curl up with some hot cocoa! Thank you for the inspiration
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Yes, Louise was premature.

Source: Ilana D. Miller, The Four Graces: Queen Victoria's Hessian Granddaughters, 2nd ed. (Kensington House Books, 2014), p. 77.
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It's quite strange that she was the one who made the "lesser" marriage, for lack of a better way of putting it, to a morganatic royal, whereas her sisters married into the all-powerful Russian and German royal families ... and then look how it all turned out. There's a story, which as far as I know is true, about Queen Mary cancelling her plans so that she could go and comfort Victoria when the news came about the Romanovs being assassinated, which I think was very kind and showed what good friends they were. They must both have been really pleased when their grandchildren got married.
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According to Ilana Miller (who quotes Princess Marie Louise’s memoirs), when George V received news of the Imperial family’s fate, he wrote Victoria Milford Haven a letter which Marie Louise delivered to her (at that time Victoria was staying on the Isle of Wight). When she arrived Victoria’s husband Louis decided it would be better if he gave Victoria the letter. After reading it, Victoria went to Marie Louise’s room to thank her but never discussed the contents with her.

Victoria and Queen Mary were indeed friends. Ilana Miller states the Queen helped Victoria financially after Louis’ death. King George V also offered Victoria rooms in Kensington Palace and she and Queen Mary looked them over together to make sure they would be suitable. Queen Mary helped oversee the necessary renovations. The two women visited one another frequently and corresponded by letter whenever Victoria visited her relatives. As the two women grew older they spent much of their time together reminiscing about old days. Queen Mary also kept in touch by letter with Victoria's sister Irene.
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It's quite strange that she was the one who made the "lesser" marriage, for lack of a better way of putting it, to a morganatic royal, whereas her sisters married into the all-powerful Russian and German royal families ... and then look how it all turned out. There's a story, which as far as I know is true, about Queen Mary cancelling her plans so that she could go and comfort Victoria when the news came about the Romanovs being assassinated, which I think was very kind and showed what good friends they were. They must both have been really pleased when their grandchildren got married.
I think she was the only one of the four who had much common sense, to put it bluntly. There was no way she was going to get stuck in a royal marriage. She was pragmatic, down to earth, friendly, tolerant and understanding of others. Anne reminds me of her very much.

I have an image in my head of Victoria and Mary going antiquing, they must have been a hoot (and probably a bit overwhelming) to be around, those poor shopkeepers
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I think she was the only one of the four who had much common sense, to put it bluntly. There was no way she was going to get stuck in a royal marriage. She was pragmatic, down to earth, friendly, tolerant and understanding of others. Anne reminds me of her very much.

I have an image in my head of Victoria and Mary going antiquing, they must have been a hoot (and probably a bit overwhelming) to be around, those poor shopkeepers
Her sister Irene married out of love to Heinrich of Prussia and had a long and happy marriage despite loosing one of their sons as a young boy to hemophilia. Neither of the couple were impressed by court life and lived rather simply at their estate in Hemmelsmark.
Though not an intellectual like her sister they both seem to have shared amicable personalities and strength of character to bear all the tragedies that befell both them and their close family members. The descendants of Alice and Ludvig were an ill-fated bunch to say the least.
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Indeed, both Irene and Victoria seemed to have made good choices in husbands, and had a happy life.

While Henry's family was no longer in power in Germany, the couple maintained their estate there. Her and Henry were actually nicknamed the amiables by their family, because of their pleasant nature. They were happy, and lived away from court. The Empress Victoria couldn't understand why the couple didn't even bother to read newspapers. They managed happily to remain out of politics and out of the war. Unlike Louis and Victoria, they remained in Germany. Their estate remained intact and was left to their granddaughter upon Irene's death. Sadly they lost two sons to hemophilia, though one did live to 56 and marry, but never had children.

It seems both sisters married well, were happy with their husbands, and due to being away from court, lived through the war.


Victoria was very different from her sister. It took great strength and character for her to marry someone like Louis, and go from the comfort of royal life, to the life of basically a military wife. She educated her kids herself and George called her a walking encyclopedia. She was fearless, she even flew in a zeppelin. There seems a lot of her character in her grandson and even her great-granddaughter Anne from what I read of her.
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Her sister Irene married out of love to Heinrich of Prussia and had a long and happy marriage despite loosing one of their sons as a young boy to hemophilia. Neither of the couple were impressed by court life and lived rather simply at their estate in Hemmelsmark.
Though not an intellectual like her sister they both seem to have shared amicable personalities and strength of character to bear all the tragedies that befell both them and their close family members. The descendants of Alice and Ludvig were an ill-fated bunch to say the least.
No slight meant against Irene, she also had a very admirable character in the face of tragedy. But this is the Victoria thread, so I didn't think to mention her as well.

Anne is a great combination of Victoria and Mary, and I think she's passed it on to Zara and Mia, too.
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I got a trust fund from Princess Elisabeth of Hesse and by Rhine.
ASHPODEL, Is the Princess Elisabeth of Hesse and by Rhine Trust Fund located in the United Kingdom?
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