Victoria/Duke of Kent/Haemophilia

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Warren

"...some other problem" ? I think it could be said that George, 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven, died at the age of 45 as a result of being "partied out". A touch of over-indulgence, perhaps?

:)
W

I agree Warren. His wife, Nadeja, was an extravagant woman herself. She was carrying on sexual affairs with many women througout her life and partied quite hard herself. She ended up being named in the Vanderbilt divorce and child custody case because she was having an affair with Gloria Vanderbilt.

An interesting side note, Gloria Vanderbilt's sister was Thelma, Lady Furness, mistress to Edward VIII until Wallis came along. . . .

[Elspeth]

And I gather that on a holiday with Thelma, Gloria, and Nadeja, Wallis was uncomfortable enough to leave early. It isn't clear if that's because she disapproved of the affair between Gloria and Nadeja or if Nadeja had propositioned her, but it didn't seem to affect her friendship with Thelma. Perhaps if she'd broken all ties with them at that point, before she really became close to Edward, history might have turned out differently.

[chrissy57]

I was simply pointing out that there were two sons of the Victoria not one as the earlier poster had mentioned and that this son and his son died relatively young. With both of them dying relatively young there would be 'some other problem' - i.e. partying too much is a problem isn't it? Self-inflicted sure - but a problem nevertheless.

[Warren]

Chrissy57

Please don't take it the wrong way; you gave us the perfect opportunity to indulge in a bit of salacious scandal and gossip!

:) W

Originally Posted by chrissy57

I was simply pointing out that there were two sons of the Victoria not one as the earlier poster had mentioned and that this son and his son died relatively young. With both of them dying relatively young there would be 'some other problem' - i.e. partying too much is a problem isn't it? Self-inflicted sure - but a problem nevertheless.

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

why think of a gene mutation, which is so rare indeed, when the answer is there, under our eyes?

A haemophiliac courtier in the early 19th Century? In my humble opinion not very likely. Any proof?

[emily62_1]

Originally Posted by lashinka2002

I don't know if you can say the illness has disappeared, the truth may simply be that its treatable now. The RF wouldn't disclose all of thier illness' to the public unless they absolutely had to. I think every royal house who has a genetic link to this disease just may keep it private. If it has just disappeared I'm guessing it could possibly have been weaned out by Royal members not marrying cousins so close in thier genetic pool. I could be wrong too.

well, with our modern media ,how could have they possibly managed to hide from media the news that any Royal member has inherited the illness ? I'm really startled, in less than 100 years, who was the lasyt RF member who suffered from this illness, Alexei ? well, it has just desappeared, gone away......

[lashinka2002]

Originally Posted by emily62_1

well, with our modern media ,how could have they possibly managed to hide from media the news that any Royal member has inherited the illness ? I'm really startled, in less than 100 years, who was the lasyt RF member who suffered from this illness, Alexei ? well, it has just desappeared, gone away......

I'm baffled as to how it would simply disappear unless it was a misdiagnosis all those years ago, they did not have the technology that we have today so I think that it may have been possible.

From what I can see the last royal to inherit this horrible disease was Prince Gonzalo of Spain in 1914, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Some royals to have this disease and dates are...

Prince Leopold 1889-1922 (Princess Beatrices son) he was a hemopheliac, he never married and died from surgery at age 33.

Queen Ena of Spain 1887-1969 (Princess Beatice's daughter) She had 5 children
Alfonso born 1907 was a hemopheliac, he died in a car crash and bleed to death in 1936
Juan non hemopheliac born 1908
Beatriz not a carrier born 1909
1910 Dead baby boy
Cristina not a carrier born 1911
This seems to be the last generation affected by the disease in Spain at least.
Gonzalo born 1914 was a hemopheliac, he also died from internal bleeding in a car accident in 1934

Princess Alice (Queen Victoria's daughter) had 7 children
Princess Victoria was not a hemophelia carrier
Princess Elisabeth had no children it is not known if she was a carrier
Princess Irene 1866-1953 (princess Alice's daughter) was a carrier and had 3 children
Waledemar born 1889 was a hemopheliac lived a very restricted life, became ill and died from lack of blood from transfusion. He had no children.
Sigsimund born 1896 was not a hemopheliac. He had 2 healty children.
Henry born 1900 was a hemopheliac and died at age 4
Prince Ernst was not a hemopheliac
Prince Fredriech 1870-1873 was a hemopheliac, he slipped and fell out of a window and bleed to death he was only 3
Princess Alexandra 1872-1918 was a carrier
Her son Alexis 1904-1918 was a hemopheliac, was murdered.
Her daughters may or may not have been carriers of the disease.
Princess May 1874-1878 died from diptheria very young.

Princess Alice 1883-1981 (Prince Leopold's daughter) had 3 children
May who was not a carrier, she had a son who was not a hemopheliac and neither were her grandsons.
Rupert born 1907 was a hemopheliac he died from bleeding of a car accident. He bleed for 4 days.
Maurice born 1910 died six months after he was born, it was assumed he was a hemopheliac

[wymanda]

Originally Posted by Mapple

A haemophiliac courtier in the early 19th Century? In my humble opinion not very likely. Any proof?

IMO the most likely source for the Haemophilia being introduced was QV's mother Victiore of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. As I have linked before there was a high infant mortality rate in her family in the generations prior to her marriage to the Duke of Kent.

Originally Posted by wymanda

The following link explains it all and also provides the information on Queen Victoria's mothers family and the strong chance that the gene came from there.

http://www.geocities.com/jesusib/haemophilia.html

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by wymanda

IMO the most likely source for the Haemophilia being introduced was QV's mother Victiore of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha. As I have linked before there was a high infant mortality rate in her family in the generations prior to her marriage to the Duke of Kent.

Yes, either that or a new mutation. It would have been very difficult for Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld to find a haemophiliac lover in the early 19th Century.

[ysbel]

I just found an article that hemophilia can skip up to 6 generations before appearing. This may be a reason that no cases before Victoria or after Gonzalo have been found. It also mentioned the more probable cause that the gene was mutated in Victoria's case.

http://iaia.essortment.com/royalhemophil_ravx.htm

[josie21]

the gene are not in the brtitish royal today.. but he must be in spain..

it is possible that queen victoria was a love child. there were emergency in the royal familly to have an heir because there where not child who could succeed the throne at that time. her mother and father was really old at that time to have a child and many women in the royals familly had take another men to have an heir because their husband couldnt have one. catherine the great did that.. maybe her real father had the gene and pass to her because there seems to have any hemophiliac before her in both of the familly...

[Mapple]

Originally Posted by josie21

... many women in the royals familly had take another men to have an heir because their husband couldnt have one. catherine the great did that..

I don't want to hijack the thread, but the case of Paul I is far from being clear-cut. Catherine herself named one of the Saltykovs as Paul's father (privately and not for 'public consumption', of course) and she had many affairs, but Paul I bore a striking resemblance to Peter III.

Originally Posted by josie21

maybe her real father had the gene and pass to her because there seems to have any hemophiliac before her in both of the familly...

The real father ought to have been a haemophiliac then, barring the case of a 'sleeping' gene.

[lashinka2002]

I picked up an interesting book last week on blood types.
In one of the chapters it says that Queen Elizabeth II & Prince Charles are Type O blood types & suggests a type O bleeding disorder blood connection in regards to thier family history. Type O's have naturally thin blood, hence the bleeding suggestion of a possible hemophelia connection.

The book is called eat right 4 your blood type by Dr. Peter J. D'adamo
The statement is made on page 95. This unnfortunately is all it says.

Aside from that the book was very interesting.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by josie21

the gene are not in the brtitish royal today.. but he must be in spain..

it is possible that queen victoria was a love child. there were emergency in the royal familly to have an heir because there where not child who could succeed the throne at that time. her mother and father was really old at that time to have a child and many women in the royals familly had take another men to have an heir because their husband couldnt have one. catherine the great did that.. maybe her real father had the gene and pass to her because there seems to have any hemophiliac before her in both of the familly...

The Duchess of Kent was not too old to have a baby when she married Edward, Duke of Kent in 1818. She was in her thirties and had already produced 2 healthy children: Feodora and Charles of Leiningen. There is no evidence to support that the Duke of Kent was impotent. The Duchess of Kent, weird as she might have been throughout Victoria's minority, would not have risked having a love child to take the Crown of England. George IV did not like her and he would have had little Alexandrina Victoria bastardized if he had one little snippet of information that the Duchess had done such a thing! If George IV didn't get the information, William IV would have done it and made the Duke of Cumberland the next heir.

[iowabelle]

Originally Posted by Mapple

Yes, either that or a new mutation. It would have been very difficult for Viktoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld to find a haemophiliac lover in the early 19th Century.

I thought the disease came through the mother's line, so what would a hemophiliac lover have to do with it?

[auntie]

I read on a website an article about a book someone wrote about the Russian Royal family, and he claims, with proof that Alexei didn't have Hemophelia, and that it was misdiagnosed and that Rasputin underdtood it and used it to his advantage! interesting, hmm,

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by auntie

I read on a website an article about a book someone wrote about the Russian Royal family, and he claims, with proof that Alexei didn't have Hemophelia, and that it was misdiagnosed and that Rasputin underdtood it and used it to his advantage! interesting, hmm,

Can you tell us the website??

[auntie]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin

Can you tell us the website??

h'mm it was a long time ago, I searched google for Romanov and Photo and got into this site...