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The country had a King who was accepted as the son of the previous king. Any claim by someone else was going to open a can of worms over basically arguing that Henry IV had usurped the throne in 1399. While Henry VI appeared to be in control there was no point but when he went a bit strange it seemed a good idea - to get rid of an unsatisfactory king.

Edward didn't see a reason for making his claim until it was clear that Henry wasn't up to the job particularly as this claim sets off the most ferocious part f the Wars of the Roses.
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On October 16, 1460 Prince Edward, Duke of York (future King Edward IV) formally claimed the crown of England by right of inheritance. He then submitted to the Lords in Parliament a genealogy showing his descent from King Henry III.
Why had Edward not put forward his claim before?
His claim was through Edward III. Yes, he was descended from Henry III, but further back. Henry IV usurped the throne from his cousin Richard II. Richard was grandson of Edward III by his son the Black Prince. Henry was John Gaunt's son, 3rd child of Edward.

Edward IV didn't lay claim earlier as his claim was weaker. Edward III had 9 kids reach adulthood. Edward, Isabelle, Joan, Lionel and John were his eldest. His sixth child to live Edmund was Duke of York. Edmund's youngest son Richard was grandfather of Edward IV. Simply put, the male line of the 5th child (usurper or not) had a better claim than the 6th child. He got a small boost as his mother Cecily was a granddaughter of Gaunt but female line had a weaker claim.

The Yorks made their claim through the female line. John and Edmund's older brother Lionel only had 1 child,Philipa. Her granddaughter Anne married Richard of York, Edmund's son, uniting the 2 lines. But a senior male line, Gaunt, had a stronger claim.

As long as Henry VI was sane, his claim was stronger. Once he was mad, Edward IV convinced the court to ignore Henry's son and move on.

That is how we get the Tudor claim. Henry's mother was descended from John Gaunt, her father was John's grandson. If Henry VI and his son were unable to reign, the Gaunts still had best claim. Her great-grandfather was Henry IV's younger brother. By marrying the York heir, Henry VII united Lionel, John and Edmund's lines.

They got more into eliminating rivals, Henry VIII certainly. The Poles a prime example.Margaret Pole was the niece of Edward IV by his brother George. Her and her eldest son were beheaded and another exiled. Early death spared Arthur. Reginald was an exiled priest, returned to favor under Mary I. A grandson also died in the tower. Other family like Edward Neville were as well.
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His claim was through Edward III. Yes, he was descended from Henry III, but further back. Henry IV usurped the throne from his cousin Richard II. Richard was grandson of Edward III by his son the Black Prince. Henry was John Gaunt's son, 3rd child of Edward.

Edward IV didn't lay claim earlier as his claim was weaker. Edward III had 9 kids reach adulthood. Edward, Isabelle, Joan, Lionel and John were his eldest. His sixth child to live Edmund was Duke of York. Edmund's youngest son Richard was grandfather of Edward IV. Simply put, the male line of the 5th child (usurper or not) had a better claim than the 6th child. He got a small boost as his mother Cecily was a granddaughter of Gaunt but female line had a weaker claim.

The Yorks made their claim through the female line. John and Edmund's older brother Lionel only had 1 child,Philipa. Her granddaughter Anne married Richard of York, Edmund's son, uniting the 2 lines. But a senior male line, Gaunt, had a stronger claim.

As long as Henry VI was sane, his claim was stronger. Once he was mad, Edward IV convinced the court to ignore Henry's son and move on.

That is how we get the Tudor claim. Henry's mother was descended from John Gaunt, her father was John's grandson. If Henry VI and his son were unable to reign, the Gaunts still had best claim. Her great-grandfather was Henry IV's younger brother. By marrying the York heir, Henry VII united Lionel, John and Edmund's lines.

They got more into eliminating rivals, Henry VIII certainly. The Poles a prime example.Margaret Pole was the niece of Edward IV by his brother George. Her and her eldest son were beheaded and another exiled. Early death spared Arthur. Reginald was an exiled priest, returned to favor under Mary I. A grandson also died in the tower. Other family like Edward Neville were as well.

You're mixing things up a bit here...

Edward III had 5 sons who survived into adulthood; Edward, the Black Prince, Lionel of Antwerp, John of Gaunt, Edmund of Langley, and Thomas of Woodstock.

Edward had one child, Richard II. Lionel (the Duke of Clarence) had 1 daughter, Philippa. John (the Duke of Lancaster) had a number of children, including Henry IV and John Beaufort. Edmund (the Duke of York) had a few children including Richard, Earl of Cambridge. Thomas (the Duke of Gloucester) had 1 son, Humphrey.

Henry IV usurped the throne of Richard II, bypassing the descendants of Lionel - which, while Lionel only had a daughter, she had sons, and there was precedent that grandsons could inherit through their mothers - that's how Henry II inherited. But Philippa's son was young, and so it was easy for Henry IV to skip past him.

Go forward a few decades, and Henry IV's grandson was on the throne (Henry VI) and mentally unstable. Well, now Philippa's son (Roger) had a daughter (Anne), who's son (Richard) would have been the senior claimaint through Lionel's line. This Richard was the Duke of York, and also the senior claimant through Edmund's line, as his father was Richard, Earl of Cambridge.

Edward IV was the son of Richard, and when his father (who did claim the throne before him) died, he claimed the throne in turn. Richard was actually killed in a battle against the King's forces.
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