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Prince Leopold, Queen Victoria's youngest son, died at Cannes where he was convalescing after a fall. It was festival time; the Battle of the Flowers. He was a haemophiliac, hurt his knee, and died from the complications.

He had once told his wife, who was expecting a baby at the time of his death in March 1884, that he wanted to be buried in St George's Chapel where they were married 'beneath the place where the beautiful music and singing was going on'.

The Queen would have liked Leopold to have been buried at Frogmore, but decided in the end to place him in Prince Albert Chapel next to St George's because she felt the vault of St George's was too difficult to visit.

Four of Queen Victoria's nine children died away from England and three are buried in Germany.
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I just noticed that Prince John the son of George V and Queen Mary is buried at St. Mary's Magadalene church in Sandringham.

Why wasn't he buried in a royal crypt? I know he was hidden from the public due to epilepsy, but it seems he wasn't even acknowledged as a royal in death!


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He is also buried near his uncle, Prince Alexander John Charles Albert of Wales, son of the future Edward VII and Queen Alexandra, who died age one day in 1871. Queen Alexandra reportedly told Queen Mary that "our darling Johnnies lie side by side."
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Henrietta, known as 'Minette', was the much loved youngest daughter of King Charles I. Born in Devon, she spent much of her life in France. Minette was married off to the dissolute younger brother of the King of France, Phiip, Duke of Orleans, at sixteen.

She died at the age of 29 in June 1670, and is buried in the Cathedral of St Denis, Paris.

Her youngest daughter, Anne Marie, who was less than a year old when her mother died, grew up to marry Victor Amadeus II, Duke of Savoy. From the descendants of this marriage comes the present-day Stuart claimant to the British throne, (a Roman Catholic.)
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Henrietta was buried at St Denis but all burials at the Basilique Saint-Denis were desecrated in October 1793 and the bodies dumped into mass pits outside the Abbey church.Some remains were salvaged from the mass pits in January 1817 but they could not distinguish who's bones they had and all are thus buried in an ossuary in the crypt. Its quite possible some of her remains are in that ossury jumbled up with Catherine de Médicis and Louis XIV!

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Queen Victoria died on this day January 22nd,1901 and is buried at the Royal Mausoleum.

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Fascinating An Ard Ri. I forgot about a little thing called the French Revolution! Still, Minette is possibly still there in part, enjoying distinguished company in the crypt!
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I'd imagine the Duchess was possibly buried alongside her mother at St Denis as they were both dumped into the mass pits on October 18th,1793.
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I just noticed that Prince John the son of George V and Queen Mary is buried at St. Mary's Magadalene church in Sandringham.

Why wasn't he buried in a royal crypt? I know he was hidden from the public due to epilepsy, but it seems he wasn't even acknowledged as a royal in death!


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Prince John's Grave at St. Mary's Magadalene church in Sandringham.

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Prince John's Grave at St. Mary's Magadalene church in Sandringham.

http://image2.findagrave.com/photos/...johnprince.jpg
And the little grave next (above in the picture) is that of his uncle Prince Alexander John.
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James II was buried at the chapel of the English Benedictines of Saint-Edmond,sadly they were desecrated in 1793.His viscera which was buried elsewhere with those of his wife and daughter Louise were rediscovered in 1824 during repairs to the church of St Germain.


Mary of Modena,queen of James II was buried at the Couvent des Visitandines de Chaillot near Paris but her burial was destroyed in 1794,the convent was later demolished.
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Who's remains lies in the mortuary chests at Winchester Cathedral?

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Is it time to dig up other famous skeletons?

Following the success of the Richard III excavation, is it time to dig up other famous skeletons? | History Extra
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I don't know about other skeletons but I do wish sometimes that the mystery of the possible bones of Edward V and his younger brother Richard, held in Westminster Abbey could be investigated. There have been so many advances in forensic science since the 1930's when the bones were last examined. It would be extremely interesting.
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I don't know about other skeletons but I do wish sometimes that the mystery of the possible bones of Edward V and his younger brother Richard, held in Westminster Abbey could be investigated. There have been so many advances in forensic science since the 1930's when the bones were last examined. It would be extremely interesting.
Well, according to the reports of how and where those bones were found, the chances that they are those of Edward IV's sons are virtually nil. The bones were found ten feet under the foundations of a great stone staircase that dated from two centuries before the boys' births. It took several days to dismantle that staircase and dig out those foundations in 1674. How could anyone have dug under it in 1483 and buried the bodies of two children without someone noticing? Several hundred people were in and out of the Tower every day, and more than 100 lived there full-time. Someone would have said something, especially after Bosworth: "Oi, there was a bloody great 'ole dug right there gov - they tore apart that stair over there - took 'em days - and then put it back. Strange thing that, eh?" That didn't happen.

Those bones are far more likely to be from the Roman cemetery currently being excavated near the Tower that extends into the bounds of the Tower precincts. When discovered they were tossed into the garbage pit and only later dug back out when someone remembered Shakespeare's play. Charles II had Christopher Wren make that beautiful urn and placed the bones in the Abbey. When examined in 1933 the doctors, none of whom were anthropologists or archaeologists used to examining ancient bones, assumed they were genuine before they even saw them and their report didn't contradict that. Some of the bones in the urn weren't even human!

Modern scientists who have examined the poor-quality black and white photographs of the bones have reported that you can't tell the sex of prepubescent bones with any degree of accuracy, and the dimensions of the bones as given would appear to be too young for Edward and Richard. IIRC there were no teeth in what was left of the skulls so no good source of DNA. The only thing that could be even remotely tested with current technology would be carbon dating to show how old the bones are and even then there has been so much contamination the results might be a little iffy unless they show the age to be in the thousands of years rather than hundreds. The Queen will never allow the examination, the Abbey doesn't want one (their main point was what to do with the bones if the aren't the "princes") and I don't think either Charles or William really cares one way or the other. My own personal opinion? The bones are those of Roman children.
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The bones were reputedly found with shreds of 'rag and velvet about them', a material unknown to Roman Britain, or any other part of the Empire for that matter.

Modern scientists would be very remiss if they pronounced conclusively on any bones by just looking at black and white photographs.

I think it is extremely insulting to infer that Dr Lawrence Tanner, an eminent physician, archivist and official at the Abbey and Professor W. Wright, a dental surgeon, who was President of the Anatomical Society of Great Britain, didn't know what they were talking about with regard to these incomplete skeletons, the probable age of the dead children, their height, or the dental evidence, especially the chronic bone disease in the elder child's jaw.

However, if we are going to argue that looking at black and white photographs (as well as examining the 1934 report) is acceptable, in 1955 Richard III's revisionist biographer enlisted the assistance of four experts: three Americans, one British, Dr W. Krogman, Professor of Physical Anthropology in the Graduate School of Medicine University of Pennsylvania, and Professor B Kraus of the Dept of Anthropology University of Arizona, among them.

Professor Myers, the eminent medieval historian, canvassed the opinion of Professor Harrison, Professor of Anatomy at the University of Liverpool. In 1978 Elizabeth Jenkins, author of 'The Princes in the Tower', obtained an opinion from F M Lind, BDS London, LDS, RCs England.

In 1981 the late Prof Charles Ross, author of the seminal biography of Richard III, sought the opinions of Dr Juliet Jones, a specialist in the study of ancient bones, Dr Musgrove, an anatomist, and Prof. E Bradford, a professor of dental surgery. Dr Jean Ross, senior lecturer in anatomy at Charing Cross Hospital Medical School gave her opinion, in 1984, during a TV programme.

The findings of these experts were in all cases consistent with the bones being those of the Princes in the Tower. Although some questioned the findings of Tanner and Wright they did not discredit them; indeed, their conclusions substantiated them.

The dental evidence showed the age of the elder child was at least eleven years and at the most thirteen. The age of the younger child was placed at between seven and eleven and a half years. That is consistent with the Princes ages around September 1483, when they likely died, at a time when Richard was in full control of the Tower and its officials.

That part of the Tower was a private royal staircase leading to a Chapel used by the King for his own devotions. Who knows with such a tyrant as Richard what parts of buildings were cut off from officials and others who worked at the Tower at that time.
Yes, the Dean and Chapter of Westminster Abbey, who are in charge, are reluctant to disturb any remains, and are not willing to submit the bones again to further tests. That is understandable, but in my view, regrettable. It may change when Charles comes to the throne.
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Richard the Lionheart's mummified heart analysed

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Looks like a dig for the remains of King Stephen and his family might be next...

Is another of Britain's medieval monarchs about to be dug up? Archaeologists to dig for King Stephen - grandson of William the Conquerer - under a school playing field* | Daily Mail Online
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The undignified fates of the bodies of Anglo-Saxon kings in the medieval period

Richard III laid to rest, but what about the undignified fates of the bodies of Anglo-Saxon kings in the medieval period? | History Extra
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William the Conqueror's daughter, Adela de Blois is claimed to be buried in Holy Trinity church at the abbey her mother, Queen Mathilde, built along with her sister, the abbess Cecelia. The tour guides for the abbey say Adela is not there. Would you or anyone know where she is supposed to have been buried in the church or crypt? I'm guessing the government tour guides are just not aware of her burial site there?
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Its quite possible that her remains and tomb were destroyed,the Abbey of Sainte-Trinité in Caen (l'abbaye aux Dames) was sacked by rampaging Huguenots in 1562 and sadly again in 1793 during the French Revolution.Both times Matilda's tomb and others were smashed,her bones were salvaged and reburied.

I've also read that Adela was buried at the Cluniac Abbey in Marcigny where she retired?

Cecilia of Normandy was Abbess of Sainte-Trinité in Caen and died there in 1126 and buried 'within the abbey walls',it has never been discovered.

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