Royal Burials

[HM Queen Catherine]

Correction on Caroline Matilda of Great Britain is noted. Thanks for the update! Apparently, somewhere along the line I had her burial listed as Roskilde.. I should have known better given the story of her life.. LOL.

And I've updated the list on my previous post..

[Vasillisos Markos]

What exactly did Caroline Matilda do?

[Connie Cutmantle]

She had an affair with a Royal Physician called Johann Friedrich Struensee! Her daughter was probably sired by Struensee! Poor thing... she really was a tragic figure! Her husband Christian VII suffered from serious mental illness...it must have been terrible for her!

[HM Queen Catherine]

I think Caroline Matilda and Christian VII were both tragic figures.

Christian was severely mentally ill when he married the fifteen year old Caroline, possibly suffering from schizophrenia. He was even the one that brought Struensee to court.

Of course, Caroline and Christian were divorced and Struensee was executed. Caroline spent the remainder of her life in Celle and never saw her children again.

From that point on, Denmark fell under the regency of the Dowager Queen Juliana and Christian's younger brother Frederick, until Christian's son became regent in 1784. Christian VII died 1808 in Rendsburg, which is where I live.

Caroline's daughter, Louise Auguste of Denmark, is almost certainly Struensee's daughter, and portrait comparisons strongly suggest this.

Louise Auguste became the Duchess of Augustenborg through her marriage, and was the mother of another Queen of Denmark, Caroline Amalie, the second wife of Christian VIII. She died without issue, and it is this Caroline that is buried at Roskilde.

[roimat]

Originally Posted by HM Queen Catherine

As far as I can tell, Jonny, Princess Alice is still buried at the Church of St. Mary Magdalene in Jerusalem.

Prince Philippe has never visited his fathers' grave at Tatoi Royal Cemetery, near Athens. It's because the Duke of Edinburgh didn't like his father? Maybe...but the truth is that prince Andrew's grave is abandoned, i visited the place last week...

[Vasillisos Markos]

Political upheaval can also affect royal burial places. King Peter of Yugoslavia, a great, great grandson of Queen Victoria, is the only monarch of which I am aware to be buried in the United States, unless you count the former rulers of Hawaii. Peter lies at rest in an orthodox monastery in Illinois.

[HM Queen Catherine]

Originally Posted by roimat

On the contrary, prince Philippe has never visited his fathers' grave at Tatoi Royal Cemetery, near Athens. It's because the Duke of Edinburgh didn't like his father? Maybe...but the truth is that prince Andrew's grave is abandoned, i visited the place last week...

My forum entry was regarding the burial place of Prince Philip's mother, not his father. He and his sister visited Jerusalem for a ceremony honoring their mother in 1994. She is buried in Jerusalem.

I did not know that Prince Philip had not been to his father's grave, though. Interesting...

[EleanorOfAquitaine]

Very interesting thread. I wanted to visit the grave of eleanor and richard the lionheart next year.
Does anyone know, where Richards Sohn Philippe of cognac lies?
I didnt find anything about his grave on google, but i guess, it must be in france also.
Can anyone help me with this?

[Zonk]

I dont know any of the specific reasons why Phillip has not visited his fathers grave. I don't believe that he had a particular close relationship with his parents (his father particularly). Phillip was the last of five children and was basically raised by himself, his school and his maternal uncles (George and Louis Mountbatten).

I don't think he ever really lived with his father once they left Greece.

[Vasillisos Markos]

Originally Posted by EleanorOfAquitaine

Very interesting thread. I wanted to visit the grave of eleanor and richard the lionheart next year.
Does anyone know, where Richards Sohn Philippe of cognac lies?
I didnt find anything about his grave on google, but i guess, it must be in france also.
Can anyone help me with this?

Well, most of Richard's remains were interred at Fonevraud Abbey in France, near his father and mother, but his heart was supposedly buried at Rouen in Normandy and his entrails at Chalus where he died. But the upheaval of the French Revolution may have resulted in the destruction of the royal remains, although many suspect the bodies are buried somewhere on the grounds but the French Government won't give permission to excavate or search for them.

I searched on line for Phillip's burial spot but all I could find showed that his place of birth and burial are unknown.

[EleanorOfAquitaine]

@Vasillisos

That was the same i found, when i search on google. He wasnt counted as a member of the royal family, maybe thats the reason because there is no grave. But i guess, that he was buried in somere around or in Cognac, because that was where he has lived.

[HM Queen Catherine]

You might try looking for Philippe de Falconbridge, since that was his name at birth. He only became Philippe de Cognac when he married Amelie de Jarnac, the heiress of Cognac.

I have never seen his burial recorded anywhere, but he is probably buried in the chapel of the family castle (if it still exists) in the Charmente.

However, it should be noted that he sold the tariffs on his lands in Cognac to King John of England before he died, which means he may not have been living there at the time of his death. That does not mean that he would not still be buried there, especially if his wife is also buried there.

He does not appear to have had any legitimate children to inherit.. and we know that his wife died childless.

[Tiggersk8]

What an increadably facinating thread to go through. Especially learning about the Jacobite/Pretenders of England and Scotland/Great Britain.

Wasn't the ceremony that Phillip and his sister attended at their Mother's grave when she was officially recoginized for all she did in harbouring/aiding Jewish people during WWII by the Isreali State/Nation/Government? I know that happened w/in the last ten years or so. I just can't remember the exact date is all.

[MAfan]

In 1994 the Duke of Edinburgh and his sister Sophie, Princess Georg Wilhelm of Hannover, attended at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem the proclamation of their mother Alice asRighteous among the Nations.

[HM Queen Catherine]

Originally Posted by MAfan

In 1994 the Duke of Edinburgh and his sister Sophie, Princess Georg Wilhelm of Hannover, attended at Yad Vashem in Jerusalem the proclamation of their mother Alice asRighteous among the Nations.

Yes, it was 1994 when Philip went there. His mother was interred in Jerusalem in 1988, but I don't think he went then.. as there was a ban on royal visits at that time.

[Warren]

According to Hugo Vickers the Foreign Office made it clear that it was too dangerous for Prince Philip to visit as his safety could not be guaranteed. For the same reason the Prince of Wales was unable to vist his grandmother's vault when he attended the funeral of Yitzak Rabin in 1995.

Princess Alice's coffin was removed from the royal vault of St George's Chapel where it had lain for almost 19 years covered in the Greek Royal Standard. The small party which accompanied Princess Alice's remains to Jerusalem consisted of her daughter Princess Georg of Hanover, the Dean of Windsor, his wife, acting as lady-in-waiting, and the undertaker.

[MAfan]

Originally Posted by Warren

According to Hugo Vickers the Foreign Office made it clear that it was too dangerous for Prince Philip to visit as his safety could not be guaranteed. For the same reason the Prince of Wales was unable to vist his grandmother's vault when he attended the funeral of Yitzak Rabin in 1995.

It seems quite silly to me: it was enough safe for Charles to attend Rabin's funeral, but it was too risky for him to visit on the same occasion his grandmother's grave. Do I miss something?

[Warren]

I guess the heavy security was in place for all VIPs attending Rabin's funeral collectively and not for the Prince of Wales to go on a private trip into Jerusalem.

[Zonk]

I would think the same Warren...there were a lot of heavy hitters at Rabins funeral...I think two to four US Presidents attended....not that they are more important than the other guests but that says something about the level of VIPS IMO.

[HM Queen Catherine]

Originally Posted by Vasillisos Markos

Well, most of Richard's remains were interred at Fonevraud Abbey in France, near his father and mother, but his heart was supposedly buried at Rouen in Normandy and his entrails at Chalus where he died. But the upheaval of the French Revolution may have resulted in the destruction of the royal remains, although many suspect the bodies are buried somewhere on the grounds but the French Government won't give permission to excavate or search for them.

Richard I's remains are believed to have been scattered when the Huguenots ransacked the abbey in 1562. When the French revolutionaries searched the vaults in 1794, they found nothing. His tomb at Fontevraud still survives, however, and can still be seen there, along with those of his parents and sister-in-law.

Next to him is buried Isabella of Angouleme, the second wife and consort of King John. She was probably buried there because she died at the abbey. Her husband, King John, lies in Worcester Cathedral in England.

Richard's heart, interred separately at Rouen Cathedral, survived both the Huguenots and the French Revolution. That monument can still be viewed as well, along with Richard's eldest brother's tomb.. Henry the Young King.

His wife and queen, Berengaria of Navarre, is buried at L'Abbaye de l'Epau near Le Mans, France. Her tomb and remains have survived intact. She was rediscovered in a hidden vault in 1960.

All of the Plantagenet tombs at Fontrevraud Abbey are empty, and the remains have either been lost or destroyed since the late 16th century.