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Old 04-02-2014, 02:46 PM
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Well, this sure throws a wrench in the works, but I'm still betting that it's Richard's remains. And at this point, this poor king needs a permanent resting place so if it's to be Leicester rather than York, then so be it.
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There could be any number of unacknowledged people with that Mtd DNA though - as many illegitimate children also had further illegitimate descendants, particularly female whom they didn't know about.

The odds are that this is Richard but definitively - no they can't be that sure as to say 100%.
If we were talking of Y-chromosome DNA I'd have to agree with you, as quite a few people in history had different biological fathers than their pedigrees may state. (Before DNA profiling, proof of paternity was a whole lot harder than proof of maternity.) But mtDNA passes solely through the female line - we all carry only our mother's mtDNA - so our biological fathers wouldn't figure in the mtDNA profile at all. I suppose there could have been an unacknowledged illegitimate daughter of one of the women in that family who was secretly adopted by another family who later had a slightly-built, well-fed male descendent (from an otherwise all-female line) with scoliosis who died near Bosworth of horrible head wounds and was given the prime burial spot in the Greyfriar's choir but a careless grave whose facial reconstruction just happens to look exactly like portraits of Richard III ...

Dr John Ashdown-Hill found an all-female line of descent from Richard's sister Anne down to the Ibsens, and another was later found by the U of L. These two separate lines shared the same mtDNA with the Greyfriar's remains. Given all the other evidence that I listed above, the odds that it is someone other than Richard III are nearly non-existent.
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Richard III: this king should stay in Leicester

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Richard III 'short' premieres at Cannes Film Festival

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Richard III: High Court ruling to be revealed on Friday
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Although I'm disappointed that Richard won't be buried in York, I'm relieved that a decision was made and he'll finally be laid to rest. Thanks for posting all these links, An Ard Ri, they've been very informative!
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You're welcome,I find it all so interesting and I agree its a pity there will be no York burial.

Richard III: Leicester's plans to reinter king back on track after High Court ruling

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Leicester was NEVER going to let this chance of a major tourist attraction slip from its grasp...

After all it has NOTHING else to recommend it [except perhaps some notably good 'curry houses'.]
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I haven't posted in months ,but here goes . I am disappointed that the reinterment will not be in York, however this has been displaced by hearing that the two people,we all know who they are, who were instrumental in bringing about the discovery of Richard, may be sidelined by those in Leicester.

People have said that York only wanted Richard as a "tourist attraction". In my experience this city needs nothing else to attract tourists to it. York does not need Richard, Leicester ,however does. All we can hope for is that the last English king of England will be allowed to rest in the peace and dignity he deserves.
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How is Richard the last English King? In what way were the Tudors not English?
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How is Richard the last English King? In what way were the Tudors not English?
The Tudors were originally Welsh. Maybe that's what the poster meant.
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I had always heard Richard III referred as the last Plantagenet king and the last to die in battle.
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Of which he would be both. But he's certainly not the last English king, that would be Elizabeth I.
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Surely Anne is the last Queen of England?

The Act of Union - officially joining the two kingdoms into one occurred in 1707.

From 1603 - 1707 they monarchs were King/Queen of England and separately King/Queen of Scotland - hence James I and VI and James II and VII - separate numbers for separate monarchies.
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Anne is the last Queen of England, but I'm not certain I would consider her to be an English queen. William I was King of England, but he himself was a Norman, and it wasn't for some time after the Conquest until the Kings of England were themselves really English.

I would argue similarly of the Stuarts. They may have been Kings and Queens of England, but they weren't necessarily English. James I was Scottish, and I would argue that the other Stuarts were either Scottish or British, but not English.

Similarly, Georges I and II were German Kings of Britain. It wasn't until later on in the dynasty that the Hanovers themselves really became British.
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I had always heard Richard III referred as the last Plantagenet king and the last to die in battle.
In fact, the Plantagenet family themselves were a powerful French family that assumed control of the English throne in 1133.
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