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Behind the scenes in the Cathedral

Behind the scenes in the Cathedral - King Richard III in Leicester
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Richard III: Not Such A Bad Guy After All?

Interview: Mike Pitts, Author Of 'Digging For Richard III' : NPR

Digging for Richard III sounds like an excellent book!
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Old 11-26-2014, 08:19 AM
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Leicester Cathedral’s King Richard lll Community Appeal launched

Leicester Cathedral’s King Richard lll Community Appeal launched - King Richard III in Leicester
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Richard III is back in the news today

Does Richard III's DNA question the Queen's right to the throne? Analysis reveals relative of the monarch may have been conceived out of wedlock | Daily Mail Online

BBC News - Richard III's DNA throws up infidelity surprise


King Richard III – case closed after 529 years — University of Leicester
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And the fails 'journalists' are unable even to use spellchecker, to get 'medieval' right...
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Thrilling, what a pity we will never know for sure who cheated !
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Henry Tudor's blood claim to throne was pretty weak. However, if you kill the King, it helps your claim out immensely. Then you marry a York princess which brings together the Lancasters and Yorks.


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Thrilling, what a pity we will never know for sure who cheated !
We'll probably never know, but I'd bet it was Edmund of Langley's wife Isabella of Castille, after all it was much commented on when she was alive that she had loose morals and Pugh noted that her youngest son, Richard of Conisburg (Richard III's grandfather,) was quite possibly fathered by her lover John of Holland rather than her husband Edmund.
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It's fascinating stuff, but the British Press always enjoys a 'do the Windsors have a right to the throne' angle in these sort of reports.
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The press seem to ignore the fact that The House of Windsor reigns due to the legislation passed by the parliament in 1701 and for no other reason.
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The press seem to ignore the fact that The House of Windsor reigns due to the legislation passed by the parliament in 1701 and for no other reason.
Why let a little thing like the law get in the way of tabloid headline?!

Good Lord.....if they had DNA tests back in the day. Imagine the impact on history?
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The press seem to ignore the fact that The House of Windsor reigns due to the legislation passed by the parliament in 1701 and for no other reason.
The BBC article gets this fact actually:

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"Henry VII was descended from Edward III from the Beaufort line - the Beauforts were legitimised by half-brother Henry IV but not in succession. Royal succession has been based on many things in the past: ability to lead troops, religion, connections - not always seniority by royal blood."
She added: "The Queen's right to reign in based on the 1701 Act of Settlement that restricted succession to Protestant descendants of Sophia of Hanover. A medieval false paternity does not challenge the current Queen's right to reign."
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We'll probably never know, but I'd bet it was Edmund of Langley's wife Isabella of Castille, after all it was much commented on when she was alive that she had loose morals and Pugh noted that her youngest son, Richard of Conisburg (Richard III's grandfather,) was quite possibly fathered by her lover John of Holland rather than her husband Edmund.
If that were the case, then surely there is no real effect on the succession because Richard, Earl of Cambridge, married Anne Mortimer who was great granddaughter of Lionel of Antwerp and thus from the senior line of Edward III, therefore the Yorkist claim would remain intact?
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Okay, so I've taken the time to look through the University of Leicester's page of the results and I've developed a few thoughts.

First, there are two false paternity events that have been discovered; of the 5 living "male-line" relatives of Richard III, 4 of them have one type of Y-chromosome and the 5th has another - meaning that at some point in the last few generations a false paternity event happened and at least one of these so-called male line descendants of the 5th Duke of Beaufort is not actually a male-line descendant of him at all (the results don't say if the 4 matching descendants have the same type of Y-chromosome as the 5th Duke, or if it's the odd-one out; it does say that geneological information shows that all 5 of them do descend from him, just not necessarily in a male-line).

Adding to this is the fact that Richard's DNA is not of the same Y-chromosome type as any of the 5 descendants, meaning that at some point either between Edward III and Richard III or between Edward III and the 5th Duke there was at least 1 other false paternity event.

This doesn't necessarily mean anything about succession claims though. First of all, there is a span of 19 generations in which this event could have happened. Second of all, if it happened at some point between Edward and Richard it only has about a 50% chance of affecting his blood claim - if either Richard himself or Richard's father were illegitimate then the claim would have been affected, although he still would have been descended from Edward III (as he descends from Edward III in three different lines). The York claim didn't come through a purely male-line, and really both Richard and Edward staked their claim via conquest/resumption.

Thirdly it doesn't necessarily mean anything for the Lancaster succession; unless the false paternity event occurred at John of Gaunt, then the Lancasters and the Beauforts descend from different children of John of Gaunt (and, for that matter, different wives). Further, it doesn't necessarily mean anything about Henry VII's claim either, as the 5th Duke of Somerset descends in a male line from a different grandson of John of Gaunt than Henry does; Henry was the grandson of the 1st Duke of Somerset, while the 5th Duke was the descendant of the 2nd Duke of Somerset (younger brother of the 1st Duke).
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If that were the case, then surely there is no real effect on the succession because Richard, Earl of Cambridge, married Anne Mortimer who was great granddaughter of Lionel of Antwerp and thus from the senior line of Edward III, therefore the Yorkist claim would remain intact?
Exactly. The York's title may have come from Edmund of Langely, but their claim to the throne came from Anne Mortimer, the ultimate heiress of Lionel of Antwerp, the second son of Edward III.
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Genealogist claims Benedict Cumberbatch is as closely related to Richard III as the QUEEN

Benedict Cumberbatch is as closely related to Richard III as the QUEEN | Daily Mail Online
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A programme lately aired on Radio 4, assessing whether Richard iii did indeed live a 'great life'..

BBC Radio 4 - Great Lives, Series 35, Philippa Langley on Richard III
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Interesting, but Philippa Langley is far from unbiased.
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Richard III's coffin rosary blessed at Clare Priory in Suffolk

BBC News - Richard III coffin rosary blessed at priory
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I like the fact that an enameled white rose was added to the rosary.
I like the fact how very diligent details are being carried out and with historical accuracy in the preparation of Leicester Cathedral.
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