Queen Victoria (1819-1901)

[Warren]

Originally Posted by tiaraprin. After all I have read about Queen Victoria, she would have treated him as a petulant, spoiled grandson and would have taken him to task!! If he would have listened, I cannot say. While Wilhelm despised his mother, he seemed to have an affection for Queen Victoria, she died in his arms.

Yes, the Kaiser was at Osborne when the great Queen died, much to the consternation of the rest of the family!

If Prince Albert had lived longer he would probably have died an even more disappointed man; Bismarck ruled Germany through the Kaisers and there is little that Prince Albert could have done to influence affairs. Napoleon III had his own agenda and it is doubtful he would have allowed Albert's ideas to change his grandiose plans.

The more interesting "what if" is what would have been different if Friedrich III (Vicky's husband and father of Wilhelm II) had not died so soon after becoming Kaiser (he lasted 98 days). And before that, what if the first Kaiser and Friedrich's father, Wilhelm I, had not lived to be almost 91? If Friedrich had taken the Prussian and Imperial thrones at a younger age and had lived longer, then the liberal and democratic ideals of Prince Albert may have had an influence on the state of affairs in Germany. Even more so if Vicky's strident Englishness at the Prussian Court had been toned down!
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[tiaraprin]

That is a very interesting thought Warren and unfortunately we will never know the answer to it. Bismarck could still have won as Elspeth stated. It would have been a very bitter battle for power at the palace, and from what I have read about Kaiser Wilhelm II, he probably would have sided with Bismarck just to anger his father and then attempted to wrest control back when and if he became Emperor.

[Elspeth]

It would have been interesting, indeed, but I wonder if the situation was susceptible to change just because of the outlook of the emperor. I'm sure that, just as in royal households and governments everywhere, the people in power are there because of a major network of mutual support which isn't dependent on just one person. My suspicion is that, knowing what sort of person Vicky's husband was, Bismarck and his followers would have had the political savvy to be doing the necessary to effectively turn him into a puppet even if he did become Emperor.

[Harry's polo shirt]

She has always been my favorite queen, I am not sure why I think because I saw a documentary type thing about her a long time ago, and I found her very interesting.

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Harry's polo shirt

She has always been my favorite queen, I am not sure why I think because I saw a documentary type thing about her a long time ago, and I found her very interesting.

I think the reason I love Queen Victoria is a supposed quote of her after the birth of her last child, Princess Beatrice. The Queen was advised to not have anymore children by her doctors, and she has been said to exclaim "What?? Can I not have fun in bed anymore? Far from being prudish, Queen Victoria was a real woman who embraced her sexuality to the best of her psychological abilities. I think that is great!!!

[Harry's polo shirt]

hahaha, I like her even more now..I never heard that quote, she seems like such a strong woman. She was queen during a tough time in history and came out beautifully. She is in my top 5 best women in history.

[tiaraprin]

I am glad you like it Harry. I also suggest to you to view the A & E miniseries Victoria and Albert. While there are wide gaps and some inaccuracies, I think you will find it interesting! Also, try to get a look at A & E's Biography of Queen Victoria.

[tiaraprin]

Portrait of Queen Victoria:

© 1999-2000
www.arttoday.com

[Idriel]

Thank you Tiaraprin. Interesting dress. How old was she here?

[tiaraprin]

Originally Posted by Idriel

Thank you Tiaraprin. Interesting dress. How old was she here?

It did not say at the website. I would venture it was shortly after her coronation in 1837. She is wearing the George IV diadem and the royal robes and appears thin. Victoria gained weight as marriage and children piled on the pounds!

[Elspeth]

Yes, the style of dress looks as though it dates from early in her reign.

[tiaraprin]

Queen Victoria's father, The Duke of Kent:

www.pbs.org

[Royal Fan]

what was her cause of Death

[tiaraprin]

Queen Victoria died at the age of 81 of natural causes in January 1901.

[Mapple]

Does anyone know which monarch was the last one to pay a state visit to Queen Victoria? It should've been some time in 1900.

[GlitteringTiaras]

I've always liked Queen Victoria, for obvious reasons, but perhaps moreso than others might be aware of.

She had a life-long close relationship/bond with Queen Emma of Hawai'i, which is something that should be admired (hence time and context, if you know what I mean.) This relationship, a pen pal of sorts, was unlikely from the start, but the one major aspect/experience that connected the two: both lost loved ones that they were very close with. Queen Victoria lost Albert. Queen Emma lost her son, Albert Edward Kauikeaouli Leiopapa.

Queen Emma spent time at Windsor Castle with Queen Victoria and during their second meeting, the Queen wrote extensively in her diary, that same evening, about how she was so worried about Emma as well as detailing the meeting between her, Emma, the future Emperor Frederick III of Germany, and his wife the Princess Royal.

Clearly the relationship was an emotional bond and perhaps spiritual one as well. What some may not know is that Queen Victoria was the god-mother of Queen Emma's son and had a fondness towards Kamehameha IV.

[PssMarie-Elisabeth]

A few images of her illustrious majesty :)

[gogm]

Originally Posted by PssMarie-Elisabeth

A few images of her illustrious majesty :)

The image to the left looks like it was made just after she was widowed, so it would be from the 1860s.

I have a b&w version of the third hanging on my wall, it dates from shortly after her accession in the late 1830s.

[mary1103]

Really interesting, I really like this Queen!

[lblockton]

Just wanted to say hello to everyone. I just joined the forum and look forward to posting and replying to everyone.

One question. Does anyone have any updated information on Queen Victoria and John Brown? I really do believe he was her lover in a quiet tender way. What does everyone think of this? Or, is there a thread already about this? Please let me know